Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 'Impossible' On Xbox 360

[HyenaThePirate]

erm yeah... back to what I was saying... My biggest problem with PS3 atm (I own a great PC, PS3 (Free) with backwards compatibility, Xbox360, Nintendo Wii, Nintendo DS, Gamboy advance SP, Gamboy Advance, Gamboy Color, Gamboy Pocket, Gamboy Micro, Gameboy, Famicom and so much more XD) is the fact it is showing it's true colors market wise. From it's cruddy customer server, to it's lackluster games (I t has SOME memorable, great games, but nowhere near as much as PC or 360 atm, and claiming it beats Wii is like claiming I won the special olympics XD) Sony is really displaying it can care less and less about it's customers. I mean, to remove the BIGGEST feature that made SONY famous in the console market (Backwards compatibility) is a big spit in the face of gamers. AND THEN TO HAVE THE "BALLS" to try reselling us the games we ALREADY OWN is just fuckin PATHETIC. I am sorry, I am not forking out for FF7 on PS3 when, for the same price they sell it for, I could pick up a PSX or PS1 or hell, fork out a bit more and get a PS2 and play the game WHILE getting access to loads of other classic games (Zone of Enders, Red Faction, Final Fantasy 10, Final Fantasy 9, Monster Hunter 1-2) and so much more.

You know, on this, I can agree with you a great deal. I too own just about every system (even all three iterations of the DS, DSi, DS lite Damn Nintendo stop updating it!). And on the BC front, I've voiced the same complaint about Sony's removal of PS2 BC content as ridiculously absurd and a slap in the face of fans. My biggest problem is and has been that my goal is to have a single purpose console, and owning just about every major gaming system, i dont want to be forced to have 3 versions of the same console out there (Ps1, ps2, and Ps3) when ONE should (and up till a short while ago) be capable of doing the function of all 3 with a simple feature, saving ME space.
I know they cancelled BC, not to make a cheaper console for it's customers (thats the Marketing spin) but to prepare to RE-SELL those games to us via PSN and "downloadable content" like they did with FInal Fantasy 7. As if we needed to pay $10 for a game more than 10 years old ALL OVER AGAIN.

I wont argue that if you can AFFORD it, a PC is the best product you can get for your money.
But like Jumplion said, the biggest difficulty is to get into the average gaming (just to be able to play the current hot titles comparably to their console counterparts) the cost of admission is considerably higher.

If a person wanted to play batman arkham asylum right now today, and only had limited funds, they could go buy a PS3 and the game and be at home playing for less than $400.

As for customer service... well I'm not even sure you HAVE that on a PC... and if you order your parts and build the system yourself, then your customer service is YOU!
If my PS3 or Xbox break, I call someone, they FIX it usually for free or a handful of dollars.
You can't do that, anywhere, for a PC right now.

So ultimately we'll have to agree that each PC and Console have their benefits and faults, but the benefits of a console and its ability to provide a simple, hassle-free experience immediately at a lower entry fee gives it the advantage.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Yes, but it's that they are saying it won't work. If they had just said "We aren't gonna make it for 360 because it's gonna be an exclusive and that's our choice, Sony pays us to do it", I would have no problem. But now they say it wouldn't work with 360 because of hardware issues, that's shit. BTW, I am a PS3 owner too, and on your Betheseda comment, if they too are Sony's *****, then why didn't PS3 owners get Fallout 3 DLC, and won't get it until X-Mas? Anyways, I'm not getting Uncharted after the first was a little meh in my opinion.

Not that I want to be offensive here...rather, just something to gnaw on in your head. Everyone...and I mean everyone, has talked about the 'theoretical' power advantage the PS3 has. Everyone. It's also widely known that the PS3 is more difficult/completely different than PC architecture to program for. We've seen the 'theoretical' power, laid out on paper. The problem is, as everyone has noticed, nobody seems to be able to tap into that...which kind of turns it into a mockery, no?

But, what happens if someone actually figures out a way to make use of that power...and is able to apply it to a game. We're not just talking graphical acuity here, we're talking about things that go on behind the scenes, physics, lighting, particle effects, AI, environmental effects, immersive sound, objects on screen etc... all of those things as well. According to what we know about the consoles at this point in their cycle...hardware makeup and such...shouldn't the PS3 be able to handle some things the 360 just wouldn't be able to? And really, if anyone is going to do it, it's gonna be a 1st party, right?

Same thing applies to the 360 though. A Game that's designed specifically to exploit the hardware advantages it has over the PS3...shouldn't be able to be replicated on the PS3, right?

I now see your logic, and find it to be indisputable.
I yield, sir.

 

[Treblaine]

I know they cancelled BC, not to make a cheaper console for it's customers (thats the Marketing spin) but to prepare to RE-SELL those games to us via PSN and "downloadable content" like they did with FInal Fantasy 7.

Bad example, although, a decent argument. However, a few corrections, the original BC...from the launch models, was indeed removed due to costs associated with having a PS2 chipset on the actual circuit board of the PS3.

Launch 60g Main Board: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/1802652525_aa0c26b42a.jpg
40g Main Board - http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/1802652525_aa0c26b42a.jpg).

As you can see, the launch 60g, had a much larger board, as well as additional processors (Which would be the PS2 chispet).

The software compatibility, indeed was scrapped, or at least, that's the public announcement from Sony, however, there's still that patent (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/29/sony-patents-software-based-ps2-cpu-emulation/) that they made regarding PS2 emulation, so who knows, maybe they're just putting on a show only to re-introduce BC at a later date.

As for why FFVII is a bad example, VII is a PS1 game, and all PS3's and PS2's for that matter, support PS1 BC. All of them. This means, of course, you could always hit ebay for an original copy of FFVII, provided you can find it for under $10 bucks to make it worth your while. There are multiple copies posted, as of this message too heh.

But teh cell is so powerful, why can't it just emulate PS2 games on any PS3 just like the Xbox 360 is able to emulate most Original Xbox games where if there are any problems a specific emulation profile is downloaded. Why can't Sony do that? Hmm, why? If I'm not mistaken the PS3's sold in Europe that initially had BC only used software emulation. So what is Sony playing at, why can they not do what Microsoft has been doing since 2005?

 

[katsabas]

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Yes, but it's that they are saying it won't work. If they had just said "We aren't gonna make it for 360 because it's gonna be an exclusive and that's our choice, Sony pays us to do it", I would have no problem. But now they say it wouldn't work with 360 because of hardware issues, that's shit. BTW, I am a PS3 owner too, and on your Betheseda comment, if they too are Sony's *****, then why didn't PS3 owners get Fallout 3 DLC, and won't get it until X-Mas? Anyways, I'm not getting Uncharted after the first was a little meh in my opinion.

They are lying if you ask me. 2 DVDs should do it, I think. And about Bethesda, they were supporting MS since...what, 1994. So, no, they are nobody's *****. And NG has been supporting Sony since 1996.

 

[Treblaine]

*yawn* I looked up the information for Hyena, out of courtesy. I won't do the same for you. PS1 emulation (fully) is supported by all PS3's (Unlike the 'most' of the games the 360 supports form the original Xbox), and PS2's alike. And I don't have to worry about PS2 emulation on my PS3, I bought one when that functionality was available. For those who didn't, it's their loss, not mine. I'm sure if you cry enough tears, regarding the subject, you can ride the resulting river straight to Sony and ask them yourself.

So your shorter answer to why all PS3s cannot emulate one generation back is simply: 'Sony has no excuse'
There is no call for immature insults like "cry enough tears" and I think you are only resorting to such troll tactics to draw attention away from a coherent discussion of Sony's attitude to Backwards Compatibility.

 

[shadowstriker86]

whats uncharted and why is there a sequel?

 

[Gerazzi]

Whee, let's blindly follow the hype like consumer sheep...

Yeah, I had to get that out of my system. ANYway, I don't think that I'll actually want this game, the idea of good graphics makes me think that they cut down on the quality of things like storyline and immersion.

 

[The Austin]

Oh no! Now I cant have this mediocre game!!!
Why?

 

[Frank_Sinatra_]

Oh great, the fanboys are going insane over this. Who cares, if the developer says it can't work just don't make a fuss over it, you're being immature fanboys.

Sanity when were fanboys ever mature?
Why do they feel the need to bicker over their favorite console?

 

[Bat Vader]

Oh great, the fanboys are going insane over this. Who cares, if the developer says it can't work just don't make a fuss over it, you're being immature fanboys.

Sanity when were fanboys ever mature?
Why do they feel the need to bicker over their favorite console?

Because they are fanboys. They don't have the mental capacity to be open minded.

 

[Bat Vader]

It would seem Sony has found its Valve.

 

[SplattererRoss]

This statement sounds really manufactured. This just reminded me of how mad I am that MGS4 isn't on the 360.

 

[Deity1986]

I get the impression that this announcement was more for the developers than us. No one is actually going to buy a ps3 just because of this one game (or not many anyway). However there will be a few developers out there thinking that, if it does have greater power and there are people there to sort out the coding for you, the ps3 might be the way to go.

This is a blatant attempt to sort out the programming issues the ps3 has had since day one (obviously) and to try and get more devs making games for the ps3. This doesn't really have much to do with us other than the interest in Uncharted 2.