New DC Comics Dream Team Paves Way for More Watchmen
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They have sex during the course of the story, but it happens purely off-"camera". They back into the flamethrower button while kissing, the story cuts to a different scene, and by the time we get back to them they're already done. Thus, it wasn't in the comic, it's simply known that it happened. Which frankly is another part of what I dislike about the movie. They pulled out everything subtle and changed it to more of a slap in the face. It's like the movie was saying "Hey, you're too stupid to figure this out on your own, so BAM there it is for ya plain as day." Most things in that category are fairly minor on their own, but they add-up fast like when you're spending a dollar here and a dollar there and suddenly you're broke without realizing you've spent that much.elvor0 said:
fuck you DiDioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Geoff Johns is a uber-fanboy pandering mediocre writer and Jim Lee is an over-rated artist.
just like the dark age of comics they will completely miss the point of the original book and make a GRIMDARK story about a super-hero who doesnt play by the rules.
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geoff Johns is a uber-fanboy pandering mediocre writer and Jim Lee is an over-rated artist.
just like the dark age of comics they will completely miss the point of the original book and make a GRIMDARK story about a super-hero who doesnt play by the rules.
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, that's the scene to which I'm referring.piscian said:
Agreed completely. There was something harrowing about how it was presented in the comic, but the movie lost something. Over-all that entire scene could have been done better. Part of what made that scene feel so contemplative was the way it would show the character who's thinking about a past event, then the story shifted back to that event with him in the same pose. It'd tell the flash back ending with the character, then shift back to the funeral with him again in the same pose. It really gave you the feeling that they were so deep in thought that it's like they were re-living those moments. In the movie though, they just shifted scenes, so it lost that contemplative immersion that the comic delivered.piscian said:
Frankly, I could probably write an entire novel on specific scenes the movie did poorly. One of my friends loves to use the "Well comics can get away with such and such a thing because they're comics, so you can blah blah blah," and I agree with him to some extent on those points, but a lot of my gripes with the scenes were simply in poor delivery resulting in a lost mood.
And to the person who will inevitably come in here with the "You think you could do better?" argument: Give me a multi-million dollar budget, and yes, I honestly feel that I could.
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No. Do not want. Make the bad man go away, mommy.
EDIT, now that I have time to type: This is not super-fanboyism. Watchmen was great, but not the untouchable holy grail. I think the universe is interesting enough to warrant letting someone like Neil Gaiman or James Robinson run around in it for a while. But they're not gonna get people like that, because the real artists of the medium respect/fear Moore too much to molest his child.
No, we're gonna get a hack like Liefeld, or a nutter like Frank Miller. Hell, "Crazy Steve" has more in common with Rorschach than Batman anyway. At least I can look forward to it showing up on Atop The Fourth Wall.
No. Do not want. Make the bad man go away, mommy.
EDIT, now that I have time to type: This is not super-fanboyism. Watchmen was great, but not the untouchable holy grail. I think the universe is interesting enough to warrant letting someone like Neil Gaiman or James Robinson run around in it for a while. But they're not gonna get people like that, because the real artists of the medium respect/fear Moore too much to molest his child.
No, we're gonna get a hack like Liefeld, or a nutter like Frank Miller. Hell, "Crazy Steve" has more in common with Rorschach than Batman anyway. At least I can look forward to it showing up on Atop The Fourth Wall.
Hmm. Maybe I should read/watch Watchman one of these days. Nah. That's time that could be spent on games, homework, or The Escapist.
That's just... a really bad idea. Was just one Watchmen graphic novel and one less than great movie not enough?
I would disagree with that. If someone makes a bad batch of cookies, do you say they were good because you know that chocolate-chip cookies can be better? No, you say that they tasted off. If you're feeling cynical you can even go so far as to say that you could crap out better-tasting cookies than that. Something isn't good because of what it could have had, it's good for what it DOES have, and what Watchmen (the movie) has is terrible delivery and so-so atmosphere.piscian said:
As for the comment that it couldn't be done, I also disagree with that. So many poor decisions were made in the directing of the movie that had even half of them been made better, it probably would have been the saving grace for the movie. I'm certainly glad the movie was made in the sense that I likely wouldn't have heard of Watchmen without it, so it has the grace of convincing me to buy and read the graphic novel while I waited for the movie to release. The movie itself, however, was very poorly made. Sure it had pretty effects and all, but so did Spirits Within, and it practically ran Squaresoft into the ground.
More Watchmen stuff? Without Alan Moore? Chances are it'll be OK-ish (it'd take a lot of effort to destroy Watchmen), but won't live up to the original. And chances are, whatever we say here, we'll all end up reading it anyway...
A prequel to Watchmen might work. A sequel, though, would defeat the entire point of the original book.
I'm excited and scared. Excited, because when I saw the Watchmen movie, I loved it so much it fell into my top 3 favorite movies and I had to buy the comic which made me fall in love with it more and more. I was even fortunate enough to be walking and find the 2 disc Director's cut on the ground, both discs in working condition. So I'm officially a Watchmen fan
However, as yahtzee once said, "nothing has ever been good when pressed for sequels" (though he did say the Back to the Future movies were the possible exception) So as soon as I saw this, I got scared because Watchmen ended with just closure, with every door closed, that how can they bring something new out of this. And with the way Watchmen ended, we lost one of our favorite to his own justice and were betrayed by someone we trusted. So what can the new Watchmen do that hasn't already happened and slapped us across the face with these elements?
It's a love hate relationship right now. But also as yahtzee has said, "everything has the power to suprise", so the new Watchmen could hold even more shock and awe and beautiful writing and our favorite characters in a new senario
However, as yahtzee once said, "nothing has ever been good when pressed for sequels" (though he did say the Back to the Future movies were the possible exception) So as soon as I saw this, I got scared because Watchmen ended with just closure, with every door closed, that how can they bring something new out of this. And with the way Watchmen ended, we lost one of our favorite to his own justice and were betrayed by someone we trusted. So what can the new Watchmen do that hasn't already happened and slapped us across the face with these elements?
It's a love hate relationship right now. But also as yahtzee has said, "everything has the power to suprise", so the new Watchmen could hold even more shock and awe and beautiful writing and our favorite characters in a new senario
I hope they do make more Watchman stuff,I'd hate it and not buy, read, watch or even aknowledge it's existance, but a man like Alan Moore, who looks like the devil worships HIM, is not a man to fuck with. So I can't wait till they release more Watchman stuff, then have their face melted and souls pulled out their urethras by Mr Moore and his unholy legion of hell spawn unspeakable monstrositys.