New Overwatch Hero Is a Response to Body-Type Diversity Criticism
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Actual tumblr or the sterotyped tumblr? Because there's a big difference.Joseph Hutzulak said:
I'm sure it is, bro.Joseph Hutzulak said:
The Great Culture War of Questionable HaircutsPhasmal said:Hair dye is apparently the second casualty of a culture war.Colour Scientist said:
Whatever will we do. All these SJWs comin' to steal our gamer culture.
With new characters for things. How terrible.
Stereotyped tumblr, that is an actual, unfortunate, part of tumblr. Muh feels, "you are racist", neon hair for attention, forbidding people to have hotter fantasies than themselves.erttheking said:
Edit: You know, the part full of SJWs
Edit: Meh, if some people like the character, okay. As Runic Knight said, it is adding not replacing.
I mean I think tumblr is literally what they use for their story department, its like the manatees for Family Guy from that episode on south park.erttheking said:
You'll have to forgive me if I feel like that claim is a wee bit...unfounded. In other words, citation needed.Joseph Hutzulak said:
And the manatees were for Family Guy. They were on south park, but they were used to make fun of Family Guy
It was a typo, Gearbox, particularly Borderlands 2 and the Pre-Sequel decided to jam as many pop-culture references and "SJW" causes en lieu of writing an actual story.erttheking said:
You said that they literally used Tumblr as a storyboard. Is having pop culture references and whatever the hell people deem to be "SJW" narrative aspects (Is having a gay character SJW? I don't know because that term has lost all meaning and just means "person who I disagree with") literally using Tumblr as a storyboard? And even then I ask once again. Tumblr the way it actually is or Tumblr the way the internet has a tendency to stereotype it?Joseph Hutzulak said:
Have you played Borderlands 2? In a DLC you run down and kill a guy for calling a women a derogatory term, and at another point Lilith has a rants about being picked on for like "nerd culture" the whole thing was beyond painful. Have you played those games?erttheking said:
We killed a guy for being a sexist douchebag. And this is a problem how? I thought it was well established that all the characters in Borderlands 2 were psychopaths. They kill 95% of the people they come across. They kill Hyperion employees just doing their job. They kill a crystal creature that was just guarding the tomb of its friend. They kill a crazy person who just told them to shoot him in the face. They help a thirteen year old girl torture someone to death. Brick flat out says he kills his own men "because they're stupid" and he encourages the player to do the same. But killing a sexist guy is apparently crossing the line? Should sexist douchebags be given amnesty from bullets?Joseph Hutzulak said:
Also, that came out in a DLC that featured a lot about video games and online culture. In one area you get someone to rage quit by teabagging them. I don't see how pointing out the bullshit of fake gamer girls (which was alive and well at the time) makes someone an SJW. Especially when it was done in a way that made the main female character look like a jerk and made the muscular macho man out to be the sympathetic victim. Not very SJWish.
Also, you're dodging my questions. Are we talking about the actual Tumblr or the sterotyped Tumblr
At the same event, the game director of Heroes said that they were upping gold gain and working on implementing social controls because of player feedback. Yet I haven't heard anyone claim that was pandering; certainly no one is talking about pandering in the thread on it.Demagogue said:
This was going to be a thing whether Blizzard talked about it or not.
There's always something that will make any and all attempts to diversify wrong.
It could be a corporation that spends its entire time being a cold, calculating uncaring machine that everyone is more than happy to flog that now inexplicably needs to be defended from design by committee since now they're thinking about giving literally anyone else a chance to be included. Of course, there is no conceivable way that the company thought to include the character themselves. That just doesn't happen.
It could be that they are pandering to a crowd that obviously is not a part of gaming even though these voices tend to come from gaming forums. By giving them a character, they may be encouraged to tread on a hobby that is not and never will be theirs.
It could be that they aren't completely and utterly unique in every way, even though the same people espousing that criticism are the ones angry that someone different is being included.
It could be the fucking hairstyle of the character.
But, of course, absolutely no one is against diversity. It just coincidence that there's always something enabling us to completely disregard the character.
It could be a corporation that spends its entire time being a cold, calculating uncaring machine that everyone is more than happy to flog that now inexplicably needs to be defended from design by committee since now they're thinking about giving literally anyone else a chance to be included. Of course, there is no conceivable way that the company thought to include the character themselves. That just doesn't happen.
It could be that they are pandering to a crowd that obviously is not a part of gaming even though these voices tend to come from gaming forums. By giving them a character, they may be encouraged to tread on a hobby that is not and never will be theirs.
It could be that they aren't completely and utterly unique in every way, even though the same people espousing that criticism are the ones angry that someone different is being included.
It could be the fucking hairstyle of the character.
But, of course, absolutely no one is against diversity. It just coincidence that there's always something enabling us to completely disregard the character.
So "Body diversity" translates to "Make women look like men." More butch dykes in the game plz! Next up we will see demands to have effete, slender, girly-looking men, and the gender swap of fiction will be complete.
I've been saying for awhile, the end result of the 'gender equality' zeitgeist will be gender reversal. I feel like this is a solution guaranteed to upset almost everyone. Is there anyone, man or woman, who honestly feels this is an attractive character? Put aside your social activist mentality for a moment and really look at this situation, and think about what this means.
Under a supposedly pro-woman world view, how can any expression of female sexuality be considered bad?
I've been saying for awhile, the end result of the 'gender equality' zeitgeist will be gender reversal. I feel like this is a solution guaranteed to upset almost everyone. Is there anyone, man or woman, who honestly feels this is an attractive character? Put aside your social activist mentality for a moment and really look at this situation, and think about what this means.
Under a supposedly pro-woman world view, how can any expression of female sexuality be considered bad?
That's what happens when you force anything. You're going to get the minimum effort required to pass committee. You will not get emotional investment into building the character. You can tell when something is crafted with loving attention and when its just a check off the list of standard game development.The Lunatic said:
The missus giggled when she first saw her. And then totally lost it when she heard her voice.
Interesting, first glance of the character shot, and I thought it was a slightly effeminate guy who was a body builder.
As to her addition to the roster for purely "filling the equality gaps", meh, I couldn't really care less either way. Her addition because they are actively trying to be more diverse doesn't actually have any impact on the game, or the mechanics, or anything really. It's simply a character skin design. She could just as easily be a big beefy dude wielding that weapon, and considering Blizzard's male designs with big guns, that's pretty standard. So I don't care if she's in there.
To the common statement I'm seeing in this thread of "If she's just there to fill a gap in the gender roster, why bother?" My response is "Why not have her there?" She doesn't suddenly make the other characters less effective, or anything like that. Please explain one tangible way in which her being introduced into the game directly detracts from the quality of the gameplay/mechanics. If the answer is "there isn't any way she's detracting from the game" (which I suspect is the likely answer)...then who cares if she's in it or not?
If you don't like her as a character model, go play one of the other champions. I do it all the time in games like League, where I just simply don't like some champs, so I don't buy/play them. It's amazingly effective.
As to her addition to the roster for purely "filling the equality gaps", meh, I couldn't really care less either way. Her addition because they are actively trying to be more diverse doesn't actually have any impact on the game, or the mechanics, or anything really. It's simply a character skin design. She could just as easily be a big beefy dude wielding that weapon, and considering Blizzard's male designs with big guns, that's pretty standard. So I don't care if she's in there.
To the common statement I'm seeing in this thread of "If she's just there to fill a gap in the gender roster, why bother?" My response is "Why not have her there?" She doesn't suddenly make the other characters less effective, or anything like that. Please explain one tangible way in which her being introduced into the game directly detracts from the quality of the gameplay/mechanics. If the answer is "there isn't any way she's detracting from the game" (which I suspect is the likely answer)...then who cares if she's in it or not?
If you don't like her as a character model, go play one of the other champions. I do it all the time in games like League, where I just simply don't like some champs, so I don't buy/play them. It's amazingly effective.
The end result of this is a female character with a distinct body type. Which, regardless of how unoriginal and stereotypical the design actually is, should be a good thing.
It's hard to say what kind of design Blizzard would have arrived at if left to their own devices and never received any criticism. All we really know is what we have. Personally, while I think the intention may have been good hearted, and it's a step in a good direction, I think the end result of this character is pretty boring. A burly russian heavy weapons specialist, in a cartoony videogame? Ooookay.
And yet on the other hand, I kindof feel bad for Blizzard with being presented by this problem. It's an absolute lose-lose scenario, all they can really do is choose the course of action that nets them the least amount of damage. Appealing to some invisible diversity-quota and getting criticism for pandering and creating an unoriginal character seems like that would be the best course of action.
Whatever. The whole thing makes me roll my eyes and go "Meh." Now I just wonder what Blizzard will end up doing next.
It's hard to say what kind of design Blizzard would have arrived at if left to their own devices and never received any criticism. All we really know is what we have. Personally, while I think the intention may have been good hearted, and it's a step in a good direction, I think the end result of this character is pretty boring. A burly russian heavy weapons specialist, in a cartoony videogame? Ooookay.
And yet on the other hand, I kindof feel bad for Blizzard with being presented by this problem. It's an absolute lose-lose scenario, all they can really do is choose the course of action that nets them the least amount of damage. Appealing to some invisible diversity-quota and getting criticism for pandering and creating an unoriginal character seems like that would be the best course of action.
Whatever. The whole thing makes me roll my eyes and go "Meh." Now I just wonder what Blizzard will end up doing next.