New pokemon are different

[Ross Tuddin]

Can i just say that Garchomp #445 was NOT in Gen 1!!!!! and out of fan fic pics Charizard #6 had never had Black inside wings and gold rings around his body.

Seriously is the first post trolling as he says he is a fan of pokemon he should know atleast what pokemon were and werenot in the 1st Generation of Pokemon

 

[Jarlaxl]

Can i just say that Garchomp #445 was NOT in Gen 1!!!!! and out of fan fic pics Charizard #6 had never had Black inside wings and gold rings around his body.

Seriously is the first post trolling as he says he is a fan of pokemon he should know atleast what pokemon were and werenot in the 1st Generation of Pokemon

I'll bite. The point is that they took a Gen IV Pokemon (Garchomp) and applied Gen I design principles to it, vs. they took a Gen I Pokemon (Charizard) and applied Gen IV design principles to it.

Also, Darmanitan.

 

[Odbarc]

Some problems with newer generations of pokemon;

1) Their names seem to be too lame. You don't see many "Pikachu" type names. More "Mankey" kinds that are too obvious. I think I'd much rather the japanese sounding names where I don't know exactly what it's supposed to be.

2) I don't know which ones are 'good' and the ones that look cool are generally weak (imo).

3) Change is scary.

 

[loa]

What if we switch Pikachu and Trubbish? Trubbish gets introduced in Gen 1, and stars in the Anime, and Pikachu comes in Gen 5. Which one would be iconic then?

I just said that in post 125. Pikachu because of his design will always stick out more. The rats the perfect kids choice.

Why do you continue to quote me when you've already called me ignorant from nostalgia? Do you actually take interest in my opinion or are just trying your best to derail me?

I just keep trying to point out your nostalgia-blindness. You keep failing to recognize it. Oh well.

Do you really think nintendo would pick a bag full of shit as their franchise mascot?
I mean that would be awesome but they'd probably pick something more marketable.

 

[Smeggs]

You have to realize that the games came before the manga or television series, as both of the latter were used in Advertisement of the games, along with the TCG series.

They had vastly limited spriting capabilities back then, so it makes sense that as handhelds have progressively become more powerful they are able to make more complex designs.

Pokemon with extra little detailed colors wouldn't have worked on the GB or GBC, and would have had plenty of shading and coloration removed. Also, sprites had smaller dimensions, and had to be squeezed to fit within that space. Nowadays they are about twice as large as they were before.

Just look at Gyarados here:

Blue Version, severely limited to only two colors.

Black/White, far more detailed with added coloration and shading.

They've even gotten to the point where the sprites can now constantly move in battle. If you tried doing something like that on the original Gameboy, I'm quite sure it would spontaneously combust or some other hyperbolic statement.

Pokemon from generation one had to be designed with the initial power of the GB in mind. The designs for Pokemon in generation One are the most basic because they had to be, the Gameboy couldn't pull off a rainbow-colored serpent or anything like that.

This is why you can see that with every new generation, they become more detailed, because they have more to work with.

 

[Jarlaxl]

I feel like it's worth mentioning that Pikachu wasn't intended to be the total franchise mascot originally. He was going to share that duty with Clefairy.

Meh, I saw mascot somewhere, and felt like bringing that up.

(Source: Pikachu's Global Adventure: the Rise and Fall of Pokémon. By Joseph Jay Tobin. Page 63.)

 

[samaugsch]

OH GOD, A POKEMON THREAD ABOUT WHICH GEN HAS BETTER DESIGN. FUUUUUUUUUUUUU -

Ok, should probably attempt to answer this thing seriously - and, well... I disagree. Yes, the modern pokemon are 'louder' in design, but that doesn't necessarily make them 'bad-looking'. Hell, I prefer the more complicated design over some of the simpler designs of the early generations - pokemon like Palkia, Golurk, Braviary, Groudon and Zekrom all look (again, in my opinion) much better than anything from Gen 1 and 2. The Complicated design also works in favor for many of the legendaries - Palkia, Dialga, Zekrom, etc. all covey a sense of power with their designs, while Gen 1/2 legendaries (Zapdos, Suicine, Raikou, etc.) don't give that same sense or power or legendary status due to their simpler design.

And yes, every generation has it's stupid designs - despite my love for muk, it looks kinda retarded and there is little positive feedback to give Mr.Mime. Dunsparce is silly, Glalie looks awful, Chingling is stupid (and rather useless) and Garbodor can die in a hole.

But I have to ask - why all the hate for this little guy?

Mother-fucker looks down right tasty. Plus after Voltorb and Electrode, I don't think we have the right to complain about an Ice Cream pokemon hanging around.

Can I complain because he doesn't come in chocolate?

 

[Smeggs]

OH GOD, A POKEMON THREAD ABOUT WHICH GEN HAS BETTER DESIGN. FUUUUUUUUUUUUU -

Ok, should probably attempt to answer this thing seriously - and, well... I disagree. Yes, the modern pokemon are 'louder' in design, but that doesn't necessarily make them 'bad-looking'. Hell, I prefer the more complicated design over some of the simpler designs of the early generations - pokemon like Palkia, Golurk, Braviary, Groudon and Zekrom all look (again, in my opinion) much better than anything from Gen 1 and 2. The Complicated design also works in favor for many of the legendaries - Palkia, Dialga, Zekrom, etc. all covey a sense of power with their designs, while Gen 1/2 legendaries (Zapdos, Suicine, Raikou, etc.) don't give that same sense or power or legendary status due to their simpler design.

And yes, every generation has it's stupid designs - despite my love for muk, it looks kinda retarded and there is little positive feedback to give Mr.Mime. Dunsparce is silly, Glalie looks awful, Chingling is stupid (and rather useless) and Garbodor can die in a hole.

But I have to ask - why all the hate for this little guy?

Mother-fucker looks down right tasty. Plus after Voltorb and Electrode, I don't think we have the right to complain about an Ice Cream pokemon hanging around.

Can I complain because he doesn't come in chocolate?

I was diaappointed that his shiny wasn't chocolate.

 

[Nazulu]

What if we switch Pikachu and Trubbish? Trubbish gets introduced in Gen 1, and stars in the Anime, and Pikachu comes in Gen 5. Which one would be iconic then?

I just said that in post 125. Pikachu because of his design will always stick out more. The rats the perfect kids choice.

Why do you continue to quote me when you've already called me ignorant from nostalgia? Do you actually take interest in my opinion or are just trying your best to derail me?

I just keep trying to point out your nostalgia-blindness. You keep failing to recognize it. Oh well.

You know what? You are terrible at arguing. You don't prove a point, you just insult people you disagree with, and you're a coward.

Either learn to talk properly or piss off.

 

[Pb Zeppelin]

All pokemon are created equal in GameFreak's eyes.

Except that ice cream mother******

 

[Some_weirdGuy]

Can i just say that Garchomp #445 was NOT in Gen 1!!!!! and out of fan fic pics Charizard #6 had never had Black inside wings and gold rings around his body.

Seriously is the first post trolling as he says he is a fan of pokemon he should know atleast what pokemon were and werenot in the 1st Generation of Pokemon

In the original post I was talking about how their design shifted, and how I found an image which finally 'hit the nail on the head' in terms of demonstrating how the design style has shifted(and thus made me realise what it was that felt different about new pokemon). They're not just using different animals or whatever, they use different design elements when creating them, more complexity.

Thus the 'gen 1' style garchomp and the 'gen 5' style charizard. (Also a good image cause it doesn't seem biased, it's doing both sides justice while demonstrating how the design philosophy has shifted)

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and although slightly off topic:

All those examples don't make the stereotypical depcition of black people better. But thanks to reminding me of one of the many reasons I stopped watching anime: Those guys have yet to grow up in terms of depiction of other races.

lol, dragonball was from 1984 man XD

 

[Nazulu]

You wanna know why Generation 1 was the best?

It's because every single new game is a remake (I don't mean like Fire Red, I mean like every pokemon game is structurally built around the exact same thing) in the worst ways possible. If they just changed a few key plot elements instead of just recreating the same damn story every time it'd be awesome now.

Look at Final Fantasy. Sure the games are mechanically the same, but the path you take is different and exciting. Nothing about Pokemon has been anywhere near as exciting as the first time around, and I ASSURE YOU that the MAJORITY of people like the first Pokemon game they played better than any other one.

As for you... yes you, the one guy who is going to say "I've been playing since R/B/Y and I like Bla/W the best!"... Shut your freaking mouth...

You are in the minority.

There is NOTHING exciting about a new pokemon game. AT ALL. You know before you open the box EXACTLY what is going to happen and it sucks. It's just going to be an INSANELY over polished version of Pokemon red and blue with very nearly the same overarching plot (even down to the factions involved) and an assload of unnecessary new Pokemon like

ICE CREAM CONE-MON
and
GEARS-MON
and soon
RANDOM APPLIANCE-MON (or is there already a TV one... I don't remember, none of the new Pokemon have any lasting appeal either way)

and there are SO many new Pokemon that you don't even want to catch them all anymore, you just wanna play a good amount of the game until you get bored and put it away for 2 years so you can pick it up again and play for one more month before never playing it again.

And let's not forget all the new features that don't add anything.

#X vs #X battles! (OMG THIS CHANGES EVERTHING)
Haircuts!
Fashion Shows!
...
fucking
POKEMON HAPPINESS!!!!!!111!

... but I digress.

There's a few good new features... like online play... and... um... online play.

So yeah, the new Pokemon are different, but it's the fact that there is no longer any appeal to the games or the story, and that makes it so that the Pokemon have no chance of being iconic what-so-ever.

...

TLDR; I don't care how many dimensions you were in when Emerald caught Girarceus in the Dream Land... it will NEVER... FCUKING NEVER... compare to when Red caught Mewtwo in Cerulean Cave.

Oh jeez. If you can't handle other opinions then you probably should spend your time somewhere else. This rant doesn't do any thing except make you look childish.

Think about it, what does ranting about how everyone is wrong on the internet going to do? Not change any ones mind I can tell you that.

 

[Luca72]

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You forgot about the new over-designed legendary pokemon everyone's supposed to get excited over, even though they're banned from any competitive battle that matters because they're overpowered.

That post nails the problems I have with Pokemon today. I still think there's a lot of promise in Pokemon to do something new and exciting, since it's essentially a multiplayer RPG with theoretically near limitless combinations. But I really don't give a shit about saving whatever island the new game takes place on, I don't care about Team "Not Rocket" or the Elite Four, and I especially don't care about whatever the new dress-up game is.

Gold and Silver added a bunch of new pokemon, items, color graphics, a huge world with even more content once you beat the Elite Four, and an internal clock that made catching Pokemon fun and dynamic. Not a game-changer, but a clear upgrade. The last few games have added maybe ONE feature that gamers over 8 care about, like the Battle centers or online play. Other than that, it's just the skeleton of R/B with a bunch of pretty ornaments.

 

[Furioso]

I wonder, if the designs had gone backwards, the more complex ones we have now to the simpler ones of the past, would we complain that they were getting lazy? Not that I personally care, there are some that I love, some that I like, some that I don't care about, some that I dislike, and some that I hate in every single version of Pokemon, and you know what? I don't care one bit, because at the end of the day I still love the games, and I can get over a poor design, and just pay more attention to the ones I like

My personal favorite?

Spoiler

IT'S SO FUCKING DERPY AND ADORABLE!
Also I like how, yea, if it uses body slam it pretty much makes craters

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I just felt it got silly after the 2nd game... I mean how long are they going to keep adding pokemon? I don't think you can even CATCH THEM ALL anymore.

*sigh* it hurts, especially since I did catch them in Red and Blue. Even Mew. (and no, I only used Gameshark for Mew and Taurus.)

I'm far from one who clings to the first 150 after all these years, but with the exception of Magnezone and Nosepass, I can't remember many pokemon straight up copying real world objects. Then we hit Gen 5 and suddenly "sentient ice cream cones!" Not that the designs aren't good (I love Trubbish) but I have an increasingly hard time picturing these things living in the wild.

Well, Gen 1 took all the easy Pokemon, i.e. take a normal thing, add a doodad, call it a Pokemon.

Take an Emu, add a head. Doduo.
Take a Seal, add a horn. Seel.
Take a horse, set it on fire. Ponyta.
Take a bird. Pidgey and Spearow.
Take a rat, add beaver teeth. Rattata.
Take a rock, give it arms. Geodude.
Take a mouse, plug it into an electrical socket. Pikachu.
Take a bug, make it big. Too many to list.
Take a duck, give it a leek to cook it with. Farfetch'd.
Rape your childhood, give it form. Jynx.

GASP! YOU'RE SUPPORTING RAPE CULTURE! [/sarcasm]

 

[Smeggs]

So yeah, the new Pokemon are different, but it's the fact that there is no longer any appeal to the games or the story, and that makes it so that the Pokemon have no chance of being iconic what-so-ever.

...

TLDR; I don't care how many dimensions you were in when Emerald caught Girarceus in the Dream Land... it will NEVER... FCUKING NEVER... compare to when Red caught Mewtwo in Cerulean Cave.

Funny, so your opinion is fact now?

I'm sorry that you can't enjoy the new games like "T3H MAJORITY" of the fans, but don't state your own opinion and say it is a fact. Why don't you get a few statistical analysis of a vast majority of Pokemon players that back up your claim and maybe it will be more than pure opinion.

You know what is iconic and memorable?

Kyogre and Groudon nearly destroying the world.

Giratina erupting from the dark world and flying at the screen in almost screamer-like fashion.

Zekrom appearing before your character to test your might before your final battle.


Mewtwo standing in a cave is not quite that memorable in my opinion, especailly since you could actually never even come across it. There is practically no indication that he is even in there. Honestly, Mewtwo is more of an easter egg than anything. One final little crunchy puff at the bottom of the box, just like Ho-Oh and Lugia in the original GenII games.

 

[Fidelias]

Ultimate badass legendary gen1 -> current gen

->

Yeahh...
You can argue that there were complicated designs in earlier gens and you would be right but there clearly is a trend to be seen here.
Some shapes are interesting but there's so much of those that now we're closing in on FF belts-n-zippers territory.

I'm curious how they can top THAT in the next generation.

Okay, so I've got to agree mostly with the OP on this one, but I want to explain my reasons.

So there's two main things that make me think that Gen 1, 2, and 3 have the best designs in Pokemon.

1. The majority of the earlier designs seem to look "tougher" than the majority of the new ones. Obviously, this is completely opinionated, but I like to make a Pokemon team that consists of Pokemon that look kinda mean, you know. I'm too lazy to go into too much detail about this, sorry bout that, it's 10 Pm and I gotta go to work tomorrow.

2. The thing I liked about the earlier gens, is that you could tell by the designs and the body language what type of Pokemon you were facing.

Charizard - Fire
Tentacool - Water
Scyther - Bug

Everything including the colors, stance, name, and design gave you a pretty clear indication into what you were facing.

Now look at that, what is it, Gen 5? Look at that Gen 5 dragon looking pokemon in the picture loa posted.
What type of Pokemon is that?
I mean, it looks Dragon, but the blue and white colors look like it could be Ice too, but those definitely look like flames shooting off it, and that grey looks like it could be Steel.

See, theres the real problem with the newer generation, there are so many designs like this, that make it hard to tell what you're facing.

But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and even though I dislike the newer designs, it doesn't stop me from just getting the Blaze Black and Volt White mods and pwning the new with the old.

 

[Dryk]

Someone just reminded me. Ugggghh, the increasing proportion of legendaries has been more than annoying for over two generations now.

ICE CREAM CONE-MON
and
GEARS-MON
and soon
RANDOM APPLIANCE-MON (or is there already a TV one... I don't remember, none of the new Pokemon have any lasting appeal either way)

It's been done, it was pretty cool. They suffered from Sugimori's increasing fascination with derpy faces though.

 

[Smeggs]

At least it's not Ditto-face.

That episode of the anime haunted my dreams as a young lad.

 

[fletch_talon]

What type of Pokemon is that?
I mean, it looks Dragon, but the blue and white colors look like it could be Ice too, but those definitely look like flames shooting off it, and that grey looks like it could be Steel.

Bad choice of pokemon to try and make your point.
That pokemon is (kindof) Reshiram, he's the dragon/fire legendary from black/white version. But what you see up there is some weird (im not sure of the exact circumstances) amalgamation between Reshiram and Kyurem which is a dragon/ice type so you were right on most accounts. I'm not debating your overall point, but the legendaries in black/white 2 are almost like a fusion situation so its no accident that its hard to determine a standard dual typing for them.