New pokemon are different

[Fidelias]

What type of Pokemon is that?
I mean, it looks Dragon, but the blue and white colors look like it could be Ice too, but those definitely look like flames shooting off it, and that grey looks like it could be Steel.

Bad choice of pokemon to try and make your point.
That pokemon is (kindof) Reshiram, he's the dragon/fire legendary from black/white version. But what you see up there is some weird (im not sure of the exact circumstances) amalgamation between Reshiram and Kyurem which is a dragon/ice type so you were right on most accounts. I'm not debating your overall point, but the legendaries in black/white 2 are almost like a fusion situation so its no accident that its hard to determine a standard dual typing for them.

Oh, I see, thanks for pointing that out, lol!

I'm too lazy and tired to try and find a better example right now, but I'm sure if anyone looks, they could find plenty of later Gen Pokemon that prove my point.

But like I said, I don't really care all that much. If you want to play using your old favorites in a new game;
1. Buy Black/White
2. Search for Blaze Black/ Volt White hack on google
3. Either buy M3 Real for your DS or Download Gameboy Emulator
4. Download and install

.... Your welcome.

 

[Chimichanga]

It's the colors. The new pokemon don't look natural. Everything looks like it came home after spending the whole night clubbing and dropping acid.

Look at that charizard from the OP; what the hell is up with the colors and the extra spikes? it looks like it's suffering from a strange mix of frostbite, gangrene and internal bleeding.

Remember the old color scheme? Aside from the fact that it was a dragon, it looked like something that was born in the wild - it's dorsal regions were consistently colored red and the ventral side was consistently off-white. Similar to how lizards and such have color schemes in real life. Realism isn't the point, but it looks certainly less ridiculous.

That new one had, let's see, splotches of red mixed with a black upper portion of it's underbelly, with square patches of yellow here and there, and some red on the arms, legs, and back. IMO, I think it looks absolutely retarded due to the seemingly random composition and inconsistent coloring. It looks like it was colored in by a four-year-old.

It's not nostalgia - if my opinion can be hand-waved and dismissed as being nostalgic for my preference of the older designs, then I can say in response that everyone else who says otherwise is simply naive because they were too young to remember or grow up with some semblance of taste. See: blanket statements aren't very hard to make, and they are rather unfair as far as assumptions go.

 

[Dryk]

This saddens me .

If it's any consolation they're not appliance Pokemon, they're an Electric/Ghost haunting/possessing various appliances

 

[Smeggs]

You know what is iconic and memorable?

Kyogre and Groudon nearly destroying the world.

Giratina erupting from the dark world and flying at the screen in almost screamer-like fashion.

Zekrom appearing before your character to test your might before your final battle.

...all gimmicks that have no lasting impact.

Find me a pokemon player who doesn't know who Mewtwo is and in the meantime I'll find you 100 who haven't heard of any of these new deus pokemon that are supposed to be important but really aren't.

And you would call any of these iconic? Please... Pikachu is hands down the most iconic Pokemon, and he didn't do anything nearly as cool as the shit these newer Pokemon did.

Again, it's all a problem with the new games being unambitious formula tweaks.

(And btw, just a heads up, I've played every generation through the Elite Four or their respective ending counterparts, and I thought the whole Giratina scenario was stupid overdramatic garbage compared to learning about Mewtwo in the burned down lab on Cinnabar. Zekrom was kind of cool, but not too memorable.)

You know why people know Mewtwo? Because he was the first final game Pokemon. He was also the driving force behind the first Movie that almost every child went to see.

You know why Pikachu is so famous? Because he was marketed as the mascot. He was the first Pokemon of the main character in the anime. He was also used as an excuse for Game Freak to milk generation 1 with Pokemon Yellow.

You know why they don't know the newer legendaries? Because a portion of the fans are rabid original generation elitists, who don't like change.

And honestly the marketing has a lot to do with this. Back with the first two movies EVERYBODY knew this shit. Now the movies all have pretty throw-away "save the world" plots. I know that many people quit watching as soon as 4Kids changed Ash's voice actor, thus perpetuating the "We don't like change" attitude.

How is Mewtwo important at all? He is Mew's offspring and had a hand in burning down a building is literally all the backstory he has. Meanwhile, Kyogre and Groudon created the oceans and continents, Giratina is the ruler of an entire world and more-or-less the embodiment of death, and Zekrom and Reshiram created the Unova region alongside two warring kingdoms.

Are you trying to argue which is actually the more fleshed out and important to their respective plots, or which one you can nostalgia over the hardest? Because in reality Mewtwo is probably the "legendary" with the least purpose of any of them to date, excluding wifi legendaries that you can't even obtain anymore. Perhaps if he actually had some purpose or plot-point in any of the games other than, "Grr, I'mma stand in this cave here."

But he doesn't.

 

[Kahunaburger]

How is Mewtwo important at all? He is Mew's offspring and had a hand in burning down a building is literally all the backstory he has. Meanwhile, Kyogre and Groudon created the oceans and continents, Giratina is the ruler of an entire world and more-or-less the embodiment of death, and Zekrom and Reshiram created the Unova region alongside two warring kingdoms.

Are you trying to argue which is actually the more fleshed out and important to their respective plots, or which one you can nostalgia over the hardest? Because in reality Mewtwo is probably the "legendary" with the least purpose of any of them to date, excluding wifi legendaries that you can't even obtain anymore. Perhaps if he actually had some purpose or plot-point in any of the games other than, "Grr, I'mma stand in this cave here."

The real question is who has the most swag. (Mewtwo has the most swag.)

 

[Smeggs]

Mewtwo is, admittedly, quite swaggin, but that doesn't change the fact that he never once plays any kind of role in the games other than being an easter egg boss fight in R/B/Y or FR/LG. He's not even a legendary, people just slapped that status on him because he's at the end of the original 150, right before Mew.

Which I always found odd, you'd think that Mew would come before Mewtwo, as he's supposed to be Mew's cloned offspring.

 

[SD-Fiend]

How is Mewtwo important at all? He is Mew's offspring and had a hand in burning down a building is literally all the backstory he has. Meanwhile, Kyogre and Groudon created the oceans and continents, Giratina is the ruler of an entire world and more-or-less the embodiment of death, and Zekrom and Reshiram created the Unova region alongside two warring kingdoms.

Are you trying to argue which is actually the more fleshed out and important to their respective plots, or which one you can nostalgia over the hardest? Because in reality Mewtwo is probably the "legendary" with the least purpose of any of them to date, excluding wifi legendaries that you can't even obtain anymore. Perhaps if he actually had some purpose or plot-point in any of the games other than, "Grr, I'mma stand in this cave here."

The real question is who has the most swag. (Mewtwo has the most swag.)

Sorry but that spot was taken by lugia the second it's movie came out. guardian of the sea and rules over the bird trio it could take mewtwo any day.

 

[Smeggs]

I dunno, Lugia did get its ass handed to it pretty easily by Moltres, Zapdos and Articuno.

Meanwhile Mewtweo was able to conjure a world-ending storm with a flick of his wrist and totally blocked a Hyper Beam from a Gyarados with just a thought, before picking him up and throwing his across the room.

 

[him over there]

Mario is the poster child for Nintendo-itis.

No doubt, but the SMW to SM64 transition was the degree of epic that Pokemon needs.

I'm sorry, but exactly how was it so epic? It was the same switch from 2D to 3D that so many other games did right at the same time.

It did it first and best though. It was relatively revolutionary and the change wasn't superficial, it was legitimately substantial.

 

[Joshimodo]

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The new colors are what you expect from DNA. Did you think of deoxy's name? Its fucking DNA which is SUPPOSED to have the large amounts of colors. Although I don't like garbador, I will defend the fact that it's going to have multiple colors, why? Because not ALL garbage is brown dirt, there's bound to be somethings that gave him that form.

New colours are what you expect from DNA? What? That makes no sense. DNA has no definitive colouration.

Aside from the garish colours, it's a messy design. You might want to look up aesthetics - Having a jumble of overdesigned, under-thought elements piled into one Pokemon is not good design.

Feel free to defend having multiple colours, but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, or what my post was getting at - Clean aesthetics are missing from most new Pokemon. Easily 80-90%.

Enough with your pathetic, condescending attitude. Face the fact that the art direction has taken a dive. Yes, there are some decent looking ones in recent gens, but they have practically all become an overdesigned ornamental mess.

 

[SD-Fiend]

The reason why Mewtwo and Pikachu were marketed so well was because Pokemon was a fresh franchise with new ideas. Marketing only works as well as it did with Pokemon while the source material still has its appeal. Now, they've abandoned almost all of their mascots and tried to start fresh with new ones, but no one cares anymore. It's not fresh. It's the same story with another kid and new weird creatures.

Hmm? what are you talking about? the mascot of pokemon in general or the mascot of the games? Because the games never had a specific mascot. Pikachu has always been the mascot and they still use it as such.

People don't know the newer legendaries (or any Pokemon in general) simply because nobody cares anymore, and they need to do something new to keep people interested or Pokemon will NEVER return to the glory days.

For a while, Pikachu was almost a household name... they really blew it.

They do something different in the side games like Trozei or Conquest but thay never sell as well as the main series.Pikachu is famous because it's in the anime but no one watches it anymore. what do you suggest they do make every game about pikachu?

No doubt, but the SMW to SM64 transition was the degree of epic that Pokemon needs.

If you're talking about the 3D they already did that. And hardly anyone bought it

Let's face it, you don't play the mainstream Pokemon games for the plot. They've tried improving the plot, with bigger and badder enemies, but it still comes second to "collect monster, beat gym, beat champion".

That's the problem in a nutshell. They've tried improving the plot in the STUPIDEST way possible.

How about they lose the gym formula?

BAM!!! Infinite potential...

And they use it in the side games like mystery dungeon. if want something different I suggest you go play that

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[m0ng00se]

New pokemon often have senseless design choices, the coolest ones are the legendary dragons and they look more like digimon than anything.

The raddest pokemon all came from earlier gens because that was the generation where pokemon were dangerous creatures that had impacts on the world, and they were tools of dangerous-seeming people to do dangerous stuff.

Koffing has way more personality grafted onto it just by being a "Team Rocket" pokemon. The new trainers are all wusses without easily imagined personalities, so you can't draw a quick parallel between a trainer and its pokemon. You're fighting a scientist with a spearow! Whoa that tells me nothing about either the spearow or the scientist. Stick him with magnemites and stuff and it makes sense.

There's a symbiosis here where you need to feed the player's connection between trainers and pokemon in both directions. Putting a tough-looking pokemon like a sandslash or whatever with a tough-looking trainer doesn't really tell you too much about either but it reinforces the idea that pokemon and trainers "go together" to give other pokemon more personality.

Also they have way too many pointless lines. I can't recognize them as easily or put names to designs in later generations.



Making a pokemon be the god of time and space is a load of crap. It makes no sense. Mewtwo was a scientific abomination but facing it and capturing it at least made sense. The scale of the game was loads better and more engaging. I don't have to lie to myself about how "AWESOME!" the thing I just did was or be pretend excited because I'm soooo "OMG EXCITABLE AREN'T I WHIMSICAL." The game makes you excited with the terrifying burnt lab and more human scale.

Finding a journal claiming "We have opened pandora's box, forgive us for what we have done" and then personally putting the lid back on as a matter of course is simply more compelling than some boring old guy going "LEGEND HAS IT THAT DIALGA IS THE MASTER OF TIME OR SPACE AND ONLY THE VERY BEST TRAINER EVER CAN CATCH HIM" and then "OH LOOK THE LEGEND CAME TRUE, AND OH LOOK THAT TRAINER IS YOU."

Fearing something then controlling it is cooler than being told that thing you're controlling is OMG SO AWESOME.

 

[The Towel Boy]

Well they had to have some new things to put in a game, maybe they got the idea for Litwick by looking at a candle in their office and Vanillish from some employee eating an ice cream in front of them...

 

[SD-Fiend]

They do something different in the side games like Trozei or Conquest but thay never sell as well as the main series.Pikachu is famous because it's in the anime but no one watches it anymore. what do you suggest they do make every game about pikachu?

No... what?

I'm saying that if they can bring freshness back to the series, than ANY pokemon could become a mascot.

And how do you propose that?

If you're talking about the 3D they already did that. And hardly anyone bought it

You mean Gale of Darkness? Please that doesn't count.

A real 3D version of a game would probably do the trick, but even just a plot revamping would probably fix things.

And what would 3D actually add to the game? if you're going to dismiss it as not counting then that just shows that Nintendo/Gamefreak can't do anything new in the main series without the fans freaking out

And they use it in the side games like mystery dungeon. if want something different I suggest you go play that

Mystery Dungeon is stupid, and you know it. The developers don't take games like that seriously.

See? you just dismissed a good game that was different from the norm as stupid. people keep asking for something different but when they get it they say it sucks

Show me a Pokemon game with the same mechanics as a regular Pokemon game, with a plot that doesn't revolve around collecting gym badges to fight the champions all while stopping an evil organization and coming of age on your journey from your small town house around the continent, and I'll show you the game that will save this franchise.

You don't really seem to know what the audience wants so how would you know what would save the franchise? I just gave you an example of what you just asked for and there are even a couple others that do just that and you dismiss it. And is the franchise really dying? B/W sold faster than any DS game before it so it really only seems to be dying for people that have grown too old for it in the first place

Or at least just change one fucking element of what I just said... It's just getting old.

not for the people that the game is made for.

 

[Terminate421]

I dunno, Lugia did get its ass handed to it pretty easily by Moltres, Zapdos and Articuno.

Meanwhile Mewtweo was able to conjure a world-ending storm with a flick of his wrist and totally blocked a Hyper Beam from a Gyarados with just a thought, before picking him up and throwing his across the room.

Then Palkia teleported an entire city to another dimension. Also, God (Arceus) was pissed:


I don't get how this is relevant.

 

[Terminate421]

Mystery Dungeon is stupid, and you know it. The developers don't take games like that seriously.

Did you even try Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time? Even look at it?

Even then, go play Pokemon: Conquest. Brand new shit, fun game.

 

[Dragonpit]

It just seems to me that when we hit Gen 4, Pokemon had taken an entirely different art direction. You can tell just by looking at how the eyes were drawn over the course of the generations. It's not so much as bad, it's just the Pokemon from Gen 3 and back seemed either cuter or more intense. Now most of them just come off as just ridiculous. It's not a matter of detail or concept (at least not to me); it's a matter of attitude.

 

[M0rp43vs]

I hope you're not saying I'm blinded by nostalgia as well. It becomes really annoying after awhile to be called ignorant all the time.

Nah. If it sounds like that, I'm sorry I offended.
I just go on the internet a lot and the amount of times you see "90's/80's/70's/ 200's were the best" gets rather annoying in on itself.

No more is this plain than in music discussions

 

[Nazulu]

I hope you're not saying I'm blinded by nostalgia as well. It becomes really annoying after awhile to be called ignorant all the time.

Nah. If it sounds like that, I'm sorry I offended.
I just go on the internet a lot and the amount of times you see "90's/80's/70's/ 200's were the best" gets rather annoying in on itself.

No more is this plain than in music discussions

Yeah, I wasn't asuming, just hoping others would back off.

Also, to save you time, 70's was the best

 

[M0rp43vs]

Yeah, I wasn't asuming, just hoping others would back off.

Also, to save you time, 70's was the best

Nuh uh, The 20's were the best. The 0020's. The toys were amazing. Fire was just invented and was setting the world ablaze(Fire safety was not invented yet).
And the music was much better then, too. Thog and the rock hitters were just coming to terms with their genre of "hitting rocks and screaming loudly" and were experimenting with "hitting each other with rocks", paving the way for rock music.
Dating was easier too. You meet a cute girl? Chat her up, hit her with a club and drag her back to your cave.

It was an amazing time with no downsides whatsoever and I am not being blinded by nostalgia