New PS3 Update Kills Jailbreak

[AzrealMaximillion]

*Pokes Nintendo's shoulder*

Hey, Hey you see that?

*Points at Sony*

That's how you stop mods.

Nintendo doesn't care about mods or homebrew except for paying lipservice to the whole thing to appease clueless stockholders/or 3rd party developers.

You know why? Because Ninty is too smart to sell hardware at a loss and hope to make up the difference in volume. If you buy a Wii and hack it immediately Nintendo still makes money, cool huh?

If I were Nintendo, I'd care about people being able to store the DS' ENTIRE library on a mini SD card.

The last time a company didn't care about its 3rd party it, for lack of better words, fucked them right up. I believe that companies name was SEGA

The difference is SEGA didn't have rock solid first party games like Nintendo. Even if every 3rd party developer went away Nintendo hardware would still sell because people would buy it for the latest iteration of Mario, Zelda, Metroid. Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party devs, 3rd party devs need Nintendo for its marketshare and low development costs.

First of all, SEGA had stellar first party games up until the Dreamcast. The Dreamcasst was know for multiple first party games that were top notch. Sega had more quality games that aren't rehashes, unlike Ninty who live off of rehashes. And second, yes Nintendo does need 3rd party devs because they're now the ones making a decent amount of Nintendo's Flagship games. Team Ninja just did Metroid Other M. Namco did StarFox Assault. And 3rd party devs don't need Ninty for market share. Especially if no one is buyning Wiis now, and the fact that no one buys too many 3rd party games that come out on Ninty consoles. This is why the 3DS is promoted with nothing but 3rd party games?

 

[poiuppx]

Do all you corporate ass-kissers realize that Sony stole the Other OS feature from legit, paying customers? Is that perfectly OK with you?

Yep. Perfectly. Didn't affect me worth a damn. Also I'm not against people drowning puppies for fun, because that doesn't affect me worth a damn either.

Fixed that for you.

Hey, thanks, JoJo! I needed a few new ideas for how to kill an afternoon. You're always so helpful.

you do realize that if/when the PC game market dies all the pirates will focus all off their attention on the consuls,that should be interesting to watch

Oh yes, it will be so fun to watch pirates destroy the entire game industry. It'll be a real blast! Boy howdy, I can't wait till those short-sighted twat donkies make the frakking iPhone and Facebook the only viable mediums for electronic gaming. Oh well, least we'll always have Newgrounds, amirite?

Ugh. Personally speaking, at this point, I feel rather defensive about the industry I love. I should probably take a week's break from commenting on anything to do with pirates, before I start calling for the death penalty for them.

 

[aaron552]

Rooting for the hackers.
Closed systems are bad.

'Legit' users are annoyed because the DRM crap is up their asses being annoying.
While the hackers hack precisely because the DRM is annoying.
Well, some of them. I'm sure many just want free games.
Publishers need to get a clue and understand that you don't beat piracy by punishing legit users.

There was no DRM crap on PS3 that would interfere in any way with the legit user, so everything else in your logic is useless.

Except for all the mandatory updates?

Yeah, and pirating the console stops that?

Firstly, you can't "pirate" a console, just games. Secondly, if the Homebrew Channel on the Wii is anything to go by, the answer is yes.

Jailbreak has no effect on your one "DRM crap" you mentioned, and I still disagree with it being a bad thing.

Updates fix problems, add features, etc.

And removes the "Other OS" Option. The only major update to the Wii since its release has been adding a shortcut to the SD card menu on the home screen. I seriously doubt that every update for the PS3 actually contains new features that I want or need

Every service needs updates.

Really?

Steam needs to update if you want to keep playing

Only if you leave automatic updating on or want to play online.

Games need patches if you want to continue to have access to online, its all part of the basic progress in quality.

Firstly, what about single-player-only games? Secondly, IMO, if a game needs patches after its release, it shouldn't have been released.

Besides, they hardly disrupt your access since it takes 20~30 minutes to install the biggest patches and 10- for the small ones, and you hardly get 1 per month, and that's when you get any at all, with periods of 3-4 months with no updates.

The time it takes to install the patches is dependent on your internet connection. Mine is slow and unreliable. PS3 updates have taken over an hour to install when all I wanted to do was play a game for half an hour.

 

[poiuppx]

Do all you corporate ass-kissers realize that Sony stole the Other OS feature from legit, paying customers? Is that perfectly OK with you?

Yep. Perfectly. Didn't affect me worth a damn. Also I'm not against people drowning puppies for fun, because that doesn't affect me worth a damn either.

Fixed that for you.

Hey, thanks, JoJo! I needed a few new ideas for how to kill an afternoon. You're always so helpful.

you do realize that if/when the PC game market dies all the pirates will focus all off their attention on the consuls,that should be interesting to watch

Oh yes, it will be so fun to watch pirates destroy the entire game industry. It'll be a real blast! Boy howdy, I can't wait till those short-sighted twat donkies make the frakking iPhone and Facebook the only viable mediums for electronic gaming. Oh well, least we'll always have Newgrounds, amirite?

Ugh. Personally speaking, at this point, I feel rather defensive about the industry I love. I should probably take a week's break from commenting on anything to do with pirates, before I start calling for the death penalty for them.

perhaps I should rephrase by fun I meant interesting not WOW i am sure gona be happy watching the games industry burn to the ground and how would the i pone survive. Anyway I do see your point and it is a valid however I think the death penalty is a little to far for them.

As do I... when I'm being rational. At this stage, though, I'm feeling like Andrew Ryan by the time the player hits the stage in Bioshock... so insane, acts of theft/piracy are just cause for immediate extermination of the 'parasites'. Hence why I'm trying to chill out before JoJo up there drives a golf club into my skull.

 

[Richioso]

The hackers are doing this for money, don't believe the hype.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The Linux was removed because people *cough* US Air Force *cough* were using clusters of ps3 as super computers but Sony actualy loses money per console so sony was losing shed loads of cash. Consoles don't make money, but the games for them do.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100513/0113129410.shtml

That doesn't justify them yanking us around by the proverbial dick like that.
Sony likes to pretend that they're "Gods of the Gaming World" just a little too much for their own good.

I'm all for fair trade and compensation and I understand the need for a company to turn profits, but deliberately disabling advertised system features just to hike up revenue is firmly in scam-territory. (That's what we call a bait-n-switch.)

With that sort of attitude towards their customers, it's no mystery why we have people pushing back against Sony (regardless of how legal their actions are(n't)).

 

[alrekr]

The Linux was removed because people *cough* US Air Force *cough* were using clusters of ps3 as super computers but Sony actualy loses money per console so sony was losing shed loads of cash. Consoles don't make money, but the games for them do.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100513/0113129410.shtml

That doesn't justify them yanking us around by the proverbial dick like that.
Sony likes to pretend that they're "Gods of the Gaming World" just a little too much for their own good.

I'm all for fair trade and compensation and I understand the need for a company to turn profits, but deliberately disabling advertised system features just to hike up revenue is firmly in scam-territory. (That's what we call a bait-n-switch.)

With that sort of attitude towards their customers, it's no mystery why we have people pushing back against Sony (regardless of how legal their actions are(n't)).

I agree with you, but a lot of ps3's mine included weren't advertised as having linux not on box or anything. I had 60gb ps3 which I got on release and recently got yellow light of death, buts thats another story. Linux was ort of a official unofficial feature and Sony's official reason was to do with cause what... HACKERS YAY, everytime ps3 gets hacked expect features to disappear

 

[Atmos Duality]

I agree with you, but a lot of ps3's mine included weren't advertised as having linux not on box or anything. I had 60gb ps3 which I got on release and recently got yellow light of death, buts thats another story. Linux was sort of a official unofficial feature and Sony's official reason was to do with cause what... HACKERS YAY, everytime ps3 gets hacked expect features to disappear

They advertised it several times during their pre-release press blitz with a feel-good attitude "your PS3 could contribute to curing cancer!" and the like. Even if it wasn't on the box, those are statements they cannot make and then expect to take back on a whim.

It's a tricky dance around the money, this industry.

 

[alrekr]

I agree with you, but a lot of ps3's mine included weren't advertised as having linux not on box or anything. I had 60gb ps3 which I got on release and recently got yellow light of death, buts thats another story. Linux was sort of a official unofficial feature and Sony's official reason was to do with cause what... HACKERS YAY, everytime ps3 gets hacked expect features to disappear

They advertised it several times during their pre-release press blitz with a feel-good attitude "your PS3 could contribute to curing cancer!" and the like. Even if it wasn't on the box, those are statements they cannot make and then expect to take back on a whim.

It's a tricky dance around the money, this industry.

actually the curing cancer thing is do with that "life with playstation" or soemthing like feture on ps3 bascily it sues any spare procesing power on your ps3 to power cluster at standford instead of the whole linuex cluster

 

[Atmos Duality]

actually the curing cancer thing is do with that "life with playstation" or soemthing like feture on ps3 bascily it sues any spare procesing power on your ps3 to power cluster at standford instead of the whole linuex cluster

I'm fairly certain that this was also where they established the precedent for the PS3's cloud-processing capabilities. If not, it was around that time.

Either way, this "Give with one hand, take with the other" policy of theirs does not sit well with me. Sony has a lot of ground to recover in regards to being able to sell me on their future products; I'm not fond of companies intentionally lowering the value of a product I already bought.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Maybe you'd prefer they simply hack features and abilities, to lower it's overall production cost to where you're actually paying what the machine is worth, and not what they're marking it down to? I mean, given the PS3's been sold at a loss until what, a few months ago? What you paid, isn't what the machine is worth.

Sony created their product. They also set the price on their product.
I cannot feel sorry for their idiocy no matter the reason, though I understand the circumstances that lead to said decisions.

Hypothetically: If I paid 600 dollars for a product then, and the company releases mandatory firmware updates that do absolutely nothing but lower my unit's performance, I think I'd be peeved regardless.

If I had bought the newer "Lite" versions (the new models that have been made more cost-effective for them) perhaps I wouldn't feel quite so angry because I effectively got what I paid for.

But that isn't the case with the original 600 dollar unit now, is it?

Do you see what they're doing by "bringing everyone else down a peg"? They are scamming the original customers who already paid. Future units might not include these features, and be marketed as such (as it is now), but that's no excuse to cut said features out of the original (more expensive) units.

This is just Sony making rotten business decisions to cover up for bad ones.

 

[YouCallMeNighthawk]

God damn hackers!! Sony will destroy you!

 

[Atmos Duality]

Unfortunately, I agree with Sony here. So, it doesn't really matter where you go with this. I am an original customer (launch 60g), and the lack of OtherOS feature means nothing to me. Fully Backwards compatible on the other hand, means quite a bit.

I'm afraid your opinion doesn't trump fact.
2 is less than 1. Even if you personally do not use these features, others do (or did) and that is enough to establish an ethical precedent (or in the case of the US Military, a legal one).

Though since nothing I say to you matters, I shouldn't have even bothered replying in the first place. I will not bother you further on the matter.