I wouldn't write it off yet, I'm sure it does in fact work, I just think the Escapist article didn't explain it properlyBruiser80 said:
New "Shockwave" Engine Design Solves Energy Crisis
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It depends on its efficiency with how long it goes without sufficient wear to impede its use. If the new engine lasts too long the car companies won't let it out. They make money every time an engine needs new parts. It's a secondary source of revenue. Either the customer will buy the parts to get it repaired or flat out buy a new car. In both cases the company makes more money. They don't want you to keep the same car for 15-20 years. If it has problems which drives you to buy a new one after 7 they are very happy. The new engines they are rolling out that last longer were invented decades ago but only coming out now because they have too. Combustion wears the engine and the more inefficient the better in their opinion. That said, if it lasts only as long as a regular engine then they will fight for it assuming it can be made inexpensively.Istvan said:
HA! Fusion....you actually believe there is any sort of future in that...thats cute.FarleShadow said:
Anyway,
Nice engine, one problem. Oil spending is worst in countries that wont get this. India, China, Africa, South America. Their industries and their transports are unneficient. Its not only the western society that is spending the most gas. This engine is fine, but like all new ideas, it only reaches a percentage of what it needs to reach. Unless you mass sell it in EVERY car out there, everywhere you can....its going to have a small impact.
Any impact is good thou.
So you're saying the expansion forces it to hit the turbine perpendicularly at a high speed? That actually makes a lot of sense, I'm sure pistons waste a lot of energy by traveling in two different directions, so this might really be a major breakthrough.Wicky_42 said:
They said it solved the energy crisis, not the environment crisis. As in, he's talking about gasoline usage, we only have a finite amount and we consume it much faster than it takes to renew, so by the huge amount this reduces the usage of gas, it will help solve energy crisis. Not once did it say anything about helping the environment, and saving the world. Those are two completely different battles.FarleShadow said:
OT: I wonder when these will be taken on. Solar powered cars got bought by the oil industry so that no one could make them, hopefully he doesn't sell this to them.
Man, does that thing look awesome. It looks like some kind of badass magic summon shield.
"Oh yeah my car runs on unleaded and HELIOS, GOD OF THE SUN!"
BRUM!
"Oh yeah my car runs on unleaded and HELIOS, GOD OF THE SUN!"
BRUM!
Cool, and if it actually does work, awesome...
... Okay... good luck with that...FarleShadow said:
Why do people keep trying to invent gadgets for the energy-crisis. Do they really think it's because no one has made something decent yet? Hint: It's not that no one has invented the light bulb yet, it's because the world is run by a bunch of oligarchs, sadists and sociopaths.
If you have the drive and are savvy enough to invent something like this, then take it one step further and start creating your own corporation, and your own organization. We need numbers folks, not 1 or 2 engineers every 5 years that get bought out, silenced or ridiculed.
There will never be new technology if someone can't profit off of inefficiency and the ancient Babylonian slave system, where one must constantly work in order to consistently re-purchase items that are designed to break and be inefficient. Modernized slavery through inefficiency.
If you have the drive and are savvy enough to invent something like this, then take it one step further and start creating your own corporation, and your own organization. We need numbers folks, not 1 or 2 engineers every 5 years that get bought out, silenced or ridiculed.
There will never be new technology if someone can't profit off of inefficiency and the ancient Babylonian slave system, where one must constantly work in order to consistently re-purchase items that are designed to break and be inefficient. Modernized slavery through inefficiency.
So, what if this does get implemented? Here's what I see happening.
More efficient engine in a lighter car cuts fuel demand. Fuel consumption and cost drops.
Yay!
But, because fuel costs drop, the real reason why fuel costs are sky rocketing remains. Asia is pulling itself out of third world country status. Which means the people there want and can afford cars. There, as is everywhere else in the world, the price of gas is twice what Americans pay. This is a huge obstacle for most of them to overcome and keep many from buying cars.
This new engine makes fuel costs drop. More Asians now buy cars because they can afford the gas. They consume the gas that we suddenly aren't consuming. Gas prices and consumption go right back to what they were.
This is the same reason why the conservative's push to "drill baby drill" wont solve anything either. Pumping more gas into the system isn't going to lower demand.
Science may stall the outcome, but the end is inevitable. There's just too many people in the world.
I'd like to be proven wrong here and believe there is some hope if someone here can correct me on this.
Edit: I'm not implying Asians are evil or less deserving of cars. The higher the number of people that want something of limited quantity, the higher the price goes. Asia is now in a position to want gas. Which greatly increases the number of people who want gas and so the gas prices go up.
More efficient engine in a lighter car cuts fuel demand. Fuel consumption and cost drops.
Yay!
But, because fuel costs drop, the real reason why fuel costs are sky rocketing remains. Asia is pulling itself out of third world country status. Which means the people there want and can afford cars. There, as is everywhere else in the world, the price of gas is twice what Americans pay. This is a huge obstacle for most of them to overcome and keep many from buying cars.
This new engine makes fuel costs drop. More Asians now buy cars because they can afford the gas. They consume the gas that we suddenly aren't consuming. Gas prices and consumption go right back to what they were.
This is the same reason why the conservative's push to "drill baby drill" wont solve anything either. Pumping more gas into the system isn't going to lower demand.
Science may stall the outcome, but the end is inevitable. There's just too many people in the world.
I'd like to be proven wrong here and believe there is some hope if someone here can correct me on this.
Edit: I'm not implying Asians are evil or less deserving of cars. The higher the number of people that want something of limited quantity, the higher the price goes. Asia is now in a position to want gas. Which greatly increases the number of people who want gas and so the gas prices go up.
The third to last paragraph just falls off the face of the web. I wonder what Greg said?
What does it create? Banana gum?Greg Tito said:
Well it's a little too little to late kind of thing. Wonder if he could get it to work with diseal which is evan more efficent than gas due to not needing a spark (diseal has a lower flash point and so it can ignite under compresion).
As to where the car industry is spending their R&D dollars it's in silly things like battery power (which for the last 10 years hasn't really progessed much) and zero emmision stuff like Hydrogen power cells where the only emmision is water.
Batteries are fail because they can't go very far till you need to recharge the batteries and then they take 12 hours to recharge making a trip to the next town take a matter of days rather than a couple of hours.
Hydrogens draw backs is while the stuff is plentiful it's always attached to something else which takes energy to seperate and then you have to store it somehow which is just as tricky because it's pretty volitile stuff on it's own. However there are already Hydrogen filling points in California and Honda has a family car that runs on a Hydrogen powercell that developes 100kw. GM had a concept a fair while ago that pretty much did the same thing but has never made it to market. The advantage being that it has the same range on a tank that a normal petrol car does and if you plugged it in at home you would get a check from the power company because 100kw is enought to power several houses.
As to where the car industry is spending their R&D dollars it's in silly things like battery power (which for the last 10 years hasn't really progessed much) and zero emmision stuff like Hydrogen power cells where the only emmision is water.
Batteries are fail because they can't go very far till you need to recharge the batteries and then they take 12 hours to recharge making a trip to the next town take a matter of days rather than a couple of hours.
Hydrogens draw backs is while the stuff is plentiful it's always attached to something else which takes energy to seperate and then you have to store it somehow which is just as tricky because it's pretty volitile stuff on it's own. However there are already Hydrogen filling points in California and Honda has a family car that runs on a Hydrogen powercell that developes 100kw. GM had a concept a fair while ago that pretty much did the same thing but has never made it to market. The advantage being that it has the same range on a tank that a normal petrol car does and if you plugged it in at home you would get a check from the power company because 100kw is enought to power several houses.