Might actually be the only Star Wars book I dare to read. To bad about KotOR 3 never coming out, but what ya gonna do?
*sigh* Sadly true.The Bandit said:The Star Wars geeks so desperately need their canon that it's irrelevant. Even if a sequel was never made to KOTOR, even if it was never even mentioned again in any other EU material, they would have a canon ending, damnit.Oroboros said:KoTOR is so far removed chronologically, I think that it was assumed (before the set the canon) that your actions were reversed eventually, considering nothing from KoTOR I or II has any impact or references on or in the six movies. Besides, by the time Reven and possibly the exile leave to go look for the true sith, the sith empire in republic space has crumbled. There really wasn't a need for a canon ending considering this, except to make more money. (but not my money) All they needed to do in a sequel would have been to give the same sort of dialogue option that KoTOR II did, since there is such a huge time difference between KoTOR and the movies, there would be no canon conflict (canon conflicts didn't stop them from letting you say tell atton that revan was dark side and female in II) by making the decision to make a MMO instead, the pretty much eliminated this possibility though, unfortunately.aashell13 said:well, in all fairness it would be hard for KOTOR to make sense in the wider star wars universe without canon light side endings. otherwise you end up with things like the Republic being conquered by the sith, or the jedi being completely exterminated, both of which contradict the movies pretty severely.Oroboros said:(spoiler)
And the canon ending for KoTOR II is Lightside female. Neither one matches up with my playthroughs. It feels like a big middle finger from bioware to me, waiting all this time to get a MMO instead of an rpg that is set hundreds of years after both the exile and revan are dead, instead of a continuation of their stories, and then canon got fixed to render 15/16 of the possible outcomes (having played through both games) irrelevant.Jumwa said:The canon version is of a male Light-side Revan? That evaporates my interest in knowing what happens.
Canon for Star Wars is determined by LucasArts - they were the ones who chose to make Revan a male lightside character, and the Exile a female lightside character. They're also the ones who chose to make a MMO instead of KotOR 3. Every single Star Wars decision starts and stops with LucasArts, with outside studios having freedom within certain confines...but overall story and any permanent things in the Star Wars universe are decided at LA.Oroboros said:(spoiler)
And the canon ending for KoTOR II is Lightside female. Neither one matches up with my playthroughs. It feels like a big middle finger from bioware to me, waiting all this time to get a MMO instead of an rpg that is set hundreds of years after both the exile and revan are dead, instead of a continuation of their stories, and then canon got fixed to render 15/16 of the possible outcomes (having played through both games) irrelevant.Jumwa said:The canon version is of a male Light-side Revan? That evaporates my interest in knowing what happens.
I did see that, yes.aaronmcc said:So you used your electronic skills to hack T3-M4 and reveal a hidden message from Bastila Shan, which was intended for Revan?aashell13 said:WANT. SO MUCH WANT.
I scoured KOTOR 2 over about 30 playthroughs looking for clues/hints/ANYTHING relating to the whereabouts and welfare of the characters from KOTOR 1, especially Revan.
Personally, even though I played through the game as a male, I've considered Revan female ever since I read this [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5759101/1/On_Being_A_Sith_Lord]... it's one of the only fanfics I've ever read that's actually astoundingly good.razor343 said:Pah, I thought the opposite, shame on me.Scars Unseen said:I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of fan boys suddenly cried out for KOTOR 3 and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
Revan = male; Exile = female. Canonically speaking.razor343 said:Emm...
Wasn't Revan female in canon? ... No? Hurr...
My beef was with the "books, shows, or movies based off of the IP" In a series with a nonlinear story, linear storytelling has no place except to grab more money. It kills potential for developing stories in any follow up games. Is there anyone who appreciates the canon ending to the Baldur's Gate series? At least that BS is contained solely in the books and we don't have to read about it all over in forgotten realms lore, so you don't have to deal with starting up neverwinter nights and get slammed in the face by what the canon ending for BG II was. the Canon of KoTOR had literally zero impact on the trilogy timeframe until they decided to milk the games for all they were worth. There was nothing compelling them to fix the canon in any way except money. There were no loose ends connecting it to the larger scheme of things that needed to be addressed in any way besides a sequel. KoTOR II already gave the player the choice of making their own 'canon', so there is no reason to not repeat that procedure again in a KoTOR II, except that an MMO would make more money, and they couldn't have each player running around with a different canon ending to the games.lumenadducere said:Canon for Star Wars is determined by LucasArts - they were the ones who chose to make Revan a male lightside character, and the Exile a female lightside character. They're also the ones who chose to make a MMO instead of KotOR 3. Every single Star Wars decision starts and stops with LucasArts, with outside studios having freedom within certain confines...but overall story and any permanent things in the Star Wars universe are decided at LA.Oroboros said:(spoiler)
And the canon ending for KoTOR II is Lightside female. Neither one matches up with my playthroughs. It feels like a big middle finger from bioware to me, waiting all this time to get a MMO instead of an rpg that is set hundreds of years after both the exile and revan are dead, instead of a continuation of their stories, and then canon got fixed to render 15/16 of the possible outcomes (having played through both games) irrelevant.Jumwa said:The canon version is of a male Light-side Revan? That evaporates my interest in knowing what happens.
And while I agree that I don't think a canon character should have been chosen, it kind of makes sense if they ever want to refer to those characters again in future works. While possible, it's hard to continually keep making vague references to a character's decisions and personality, never expanding on what happened. If you ever want to re-use or mention a character again, at some point you have to establish canon.
This especially applies when you have books, shows, or movies based off of the IP, because then you have no form of data-transfer from the games. Games are unique in that you can design one to read the savegames off of the previous games, and (if you have the budget and time!) incorporate those save files.
LA has made plenty of references to Revan in their comics and books, so there's no way they'd be able to keep the character gender-neutral and personality-void forever. At some point they were going to have to pick, and at some point their decision was going to alienate everyone whose characters went against their decisions. It's either that or never mention those characters with any specificity whatsoever, and given Revan's popularity there's no way that was going to happen.
HA, this is exactly how I feel right now. I have never bought a Star Wars book before but I am going to have to now.Woodsey said:Oh God, am I really going to break my vow to never cross the ultimate nerd-line (well, one of many "ultimate" nerd-lines that I refuse to cross)?
Mind you, TOR has quest about Revan - that they specifically did a trailer for - that basically says "FIND OUT IN THIS QUEST!" so I probably won't have to read this.
But still, I must fucking know.
MUST.
I completely agree. I'm still open to playing TOR, but I doubt it'll hold my interest for more than a month or two. I'll probably set aside a week, play to cap with one class, toy around with another for as much time as I've got left and call it quits.Oroboros said:(spoilers)
Considering that in my playthroughs Reven was never a lightside male, and canon seems to have fixed the outcomes of the two games, I don't see myself picking up a copy of this. Why would I want read up on someone else's version of Revan if it runs counter to the one I am so fond of? What I wanted was a KoTOR III, not this. One of the reasons I am not terribly interested in TOR is because of this canon-fixing. There were essentially four different ways to complete the game and four ways to complete the sequel. Railroading those possibilities down into one narrow path and then telling players that what they did, and the character they played as 'don't count' has always rubbed me the wrong way. What do other people think?
Well, KotOR 2 was good at what it wanted to do: be an inward journey for a new character (the Exile) that also explains more about the history of the Star Wars universe. I'm sort of cribbing notes from this [http://lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/] amazing LP, but basically, KotOR 2 set out to do some really difficult stuff narratively. Writing a story for a character who actually remembers his past, without telling us what it is by flashbacks or "As you know" style dialog. Writing a story that really takes place 10 years in the past, again with VERY few flashbacks. Making a Star Wars game a fucking morally ambiguous inward journey. Not to mention giving us the best written female character I've seen in a game, bar none.Hero in a half shell said:I know! The temptation.Woodsey said:Oh God, am I really going to break my vow to never cross the ultimate nerd-line (well, one of many "ultimate" nerd-lines that I refuse to cross)?
This book will be what KOTOR 2 should have been, It should have at least told us about Revans story, let us unravel his post Starforge life, but It did not, there was no try.
Agreed. See my above lengthy boner over KotOR 2.Bayushi_Kouya said:Acknowledgement that KOTOR2 existed? Fuck yes. My money, in their pocket, now.
I did feel kind of cheated when I reached the end of KOTOR1. I beat Malak and shut down the StarForge and my reward is -- an award ceremony? That's exactly as much effort as Nintendo puts into the ending of a Mario Bros. game. At least KOTOR2 gave some hint to the exile's destiny and that of the companions, even if it was in a lengthy text dump.
Did you ever try putting that pacification module on HK-47? i was really scared i'd broken him xDaashell13 said:I did see that, yes.aaronmcc said:So you used your electronic skills to hack T3-M4 and reveal a hidden message from Bastila Shan, which was intended for Revan?aashell13 said:WANT. SO MUCH WANT.
I scoured KOTOR 2 over about 30 playthroughs looking for clues/hints/ANYTHING relating to the whereabouts and welfare of the characters from KOTOR 1, especially Revan.
I think hacking the robots was one of the most interesting side quests in both games. HK-47 had a lot more comedic value than T3 though.
No, I saw that on youtube actually, never got around to doing it in-game.EMFCRACKSHOT said:Did you ever try putting that pacification module on HK-47? i was really scared i'd broken him xDaashell13 said:I did see that, yes.aaronmcc said:So you used your electronic skills to hack T3-M4 and reveal a hidden message from Bastila Shan, which was intended for Revan?aashell13 said:WANT. SO MUCH WANT.
I scoured KOTOR 2 over about 30 playthroughs looking for clues/hints/ANYTHING relating to the whereabouts and welfare of the characters from KOTOR 1, especially Revan.
I think hacking the robots was one of the most interesting side quests in both games. HK-47 had a lot more comedic value than T3 though.