Next Class?

[Mister Linton]

X2 is obviously a follow up to X-men.

X2 was 8 years and 3 movies ago. But hey, sitting around letting the continuity give you a tummy ache so bad that you make excuses for the movies you like and cry foul on the movies you don't is totally cool! You've certainly convinced me.

 

[RJ Dalton]

The soft man gets a backbone . . .

Bob, did you intend that as an ironic statement? Because if you did, I am totally loving it.

 

[Nouw]

A very nice article.

Oh and for those who are wanting a Deadpool film, this guy portrays him wonderfully.

 

[NoTroll]

Probably my favourite article by Bob. I've never seen any of the X-men movies, but a lot of my friends have, and I always thought it was kind of sad that a (apparently) stellar series would be ruined by X3 and Origins. Maybe I ought to watch those movies now.

 

[starwarsgeek]

Any chance that First Class also destroyed X2 and it's "Kill Cyclops" storyline? Because killing of the guy who pretty much IS the X-Men was real smart...

That was actually the start of Last Stand. But, yeah, it's looking like First Class is a full reboot, 'cause there's a few more continuity issues.

 

[Verlander]

NO true geek approves of continuity errors, they suck it up and soldier on! I'm ashamed of you Bob...

 

[Towels]

X1 vs X:O continuity issue that I havn't seen mentioned yet:

In X1 Wolverine and Sabertooth don't know each other. The small, supporting drama between them stems from the fact that they are evenly matched, but its just a detail for Wolverine's loner theme. In fact, I think Sabertooth's only lines are to Storm.

In X:O Sabertooth is Wolverine's sadistic big brother, and the entire movie is about their adventures together. Wolverine may have suffered memory loss, but Sabertooth sure didn't. This Sabertooth who essentially raised Wolverine, so why would he not at least say "Oh hey Jimmy, kill any fun people lately?" in X1? (And even if I'm wrong about Sabertooth keeping his memory, then why wouldn't Xavier or Jean say something? "Oh wait Logan, this guy thinks your name is Jimmy and you were born in Canada!")

I've got an official Marvel X-men encyclopedia that even mentions how their relationship greatly differs from the X1 and the comics. (This book was published between X1 and X2.)

You know now that I think about it: Did Xavier scan Sabertooth's mind to reveal clues about Wolverine's lost memory in the comics? I don't know if Sabertooth and Wolverine knew each other before the Weapon X program in the comics, but even still it would seem that Sabertooth's mind would be a good place to investigate Logan's past.

 

[tdylan]

I believe it was in the X-Men 1.5 DVD (X-Men with bonus material) that the director explains Sabertooth (from X1) suffered memory loss prior to the events of the film, and that's why he didn't recognize/interact with Wolverine more than what was seen.

 

[Mark Logan]

If they continue with the FC I'd like to see wolverine planted in the Xavier Institute as a sleeper agent. Sent to collect intel for William Stryker's program and or disupt Xavier. He could have conditioning to protect his thoughts from Xavier's telepathy. Thoughts?

 

[WaReloaded]

Brilliant piece of writing, MovieBob. Fortunately, I've managed to not see both The Last Stand and Wolverine: Origins.

 

[Infernai]

A long time ago i actually thought of what happened to the real deadpool/wade wilson during origins: See, they were going to use the original wilson for the 'deadpool' shown in that film due to his body being physically able to handle it. They first started with the healing factor that they took from sabertooth (they didn't have wolverine available at the time, but they had viktor). HOWEVER, it was at this point he was diagnosed with cancer and so Weapon X had to rush for a replacement. It was at this point they found another mutant, one who could completely transform themselves into another person right down the biological level. So, they made that guy become a copy of wade and he became the deadpool seen in the movie while the real wades origin story at this point basically mirrored that of his comic.

So at the start of the deadpool movie, he would be sort of like "Oh yeah, that whole thing with origins...that wasn't me, just some guy who could change shape and looked like me. But anyway, you came to watch me and obviously a much better movie, so lets focus on that"

....or we could just retcon origins, that works too. But hey, atleast i had the decency to think up a way to make everyone sort of happy?

 

[Falke]

I think this is all so much wishfull thinking. In X-Men 1 Xavier states that he met Magneto at age 17 (or 16, I forget) which clearly isn't what happened. And while I don't see this being intended Xavier mnight just as well get to be friends with Magneto again for a while in between. he might even walk again for a while, he did in the comics. If you say that anything that makes no sense in the timeline erases the new movies you have to start with X-Men 1. Just ignoring inconsistencies that don't fit into your wishfull thinking doesn't make sense here.

 

[XaVierDK]

Havok is Cyclops' brother but goes unmentioned in the other movies.

All of those can be explained away pretty easily except Beast. But they're still things that require an explanation in order to show these things happened in the same reality. I for one hope they don't connect them. That way we can also get a decent Sabretooth, Mystique and Azazel can be Nightcrawler's parents, among other things.

As much as I remember of the original two movies, Nightcrawler could easily be Mystique and Azazel's child (can't remember Azazel from the comics, but meh), with the looks and teleportation and so forth...

Also, Havok is in my eyes used more as a father than a brother to Cyclops in X-men First Class (the time line and powers would fit better), though to be fair that should have been Corsair (leader of the Star Jammers, from whom comes also Hepzibah, Corsair's lover, later love interest of Warpath, who have never been seen in any of the other movies, yet), but that would lead to the whole space angle being needed, so I guess they turned it down for the movies and used a more earth-bound approach, which sadly required Corsair to be "retconned" into his youngest son.. They obviously couldn't use Cyclops, as he is one of Xavier's students in the 90's, so I guess they went for the next best thing...

Best Regards

 

[Mark Logan]

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Also, Havok is in my eyes used more as a father than a brother to Cyclops in X-men First Class (the time line and powers would fit better), though to be fair that should have been Corsair (leader of the Star Jammers, from whom comes also Hepzibah, Corsair's lover, later love interest of Warpath, who have never been seen in any of the other movies, yet), but that would lead to the whole space angle being needed, so I guess they turned it down for the movies and used a more earth-bound approach, which sadly required Corsair to be "retconned" into his youngest son.. They obviously couldn't use Cyclops, as he is one of Xavier's students in the 90's, so I guess they went for the next best thing...

Best Regards [/quote]

If it's true that Havok was retconned to Scott's father because Corsair would have been to difficult, why not use Chamber and ignore the whole mess? Chamber does pretty much what Havok does, avoiding the continuity issue of Chamber's upper torso being a flaming mess most of the time, they could have kept him relatively normal looking till the end or the next film and used that secondary mutation as character growth.

I loved Havok in FC, but switching Chamber for Havok could have lead to a more interesting Cyclops and Havok team up later on.

 

[XaVierDK]

Also, Havok is in my eyes used more as a father than a brother to Cyclops in X-men First Class (the time line and powers would fit better), though to be fair that should have been Corsair (leader of the Star Jammers, from whom comes also Hepzibah, Corsair's lover, later love interest of Warpath, who have never been seen in any of the other movies, yet), but that would lead to the whole space angle being needed, so I guess they turned it down for the movies and used a more earth-bound approach, which sadly required Corsair to be "retconned" into his youngest son.. They obviously couldn't use Cyclops, as he is one of Xavier's students in the 90's, so I guess they went for the next best thing...

Best Regards

If it's true that Havok was retconned to Scott's father because Corsair would have been to difficult, why not use Chamber and ignore the whole mess? Chamber does pretty much what Havok does, avoiding the continuity issue of Chamber's upper torso being a flaming mess most of the time, they could have kept him relatively normal looking till the end or the next film and used that secondary mutation as character growth.

I loved Havok in FC, but switching Chamber for Havok could have lead to a more interesting Cyclops and Havok team up later on.

I believe it was mostly done to keep the Summers name in the mix... I (wrongly) guessed he was supposed to be Scott's father from the outset (had the names mixed up)... So now they have a possibility of a good love story (alex summers and... whoever they choose to be Scott's mom), and an evil love story (azazel/Mystique) in the next one (yes, there will be a next one, FC is doing great at the box office), further confusing continuity buffs and further deepening the lore of this new, fresh take on the X-men

Best Regards

 

[Treaos Serrare]

A very nice article.

Oh and for those who are wanting a Deadpool film, this guy portrays him wonderfully.

Yes! I have this Favorited and keep an eye on it regularly, I love the goofy little segments that he makes both with Deadpool and with the other characters he uses.

I love the Wolverine cameo so much its just "Hi,fuck you, bye" it was just hilarious.

Kevin Bacon as the Doctor and as the Leader of the Hellfire club was superb I haven't seen him do anything as enjoyable since he was in tremors quite frankly, charming but a huge dick at the same time.

I do have issue with the fact the Henchmen are never really fleshed out at all, Azazel at least talks but tornado dude, who the hell is he anyway? he isn't ever referred to by name that I remember(I just saw it yesterday so its still fresh)

Finally to the few people who say Charles and Erik barely knew each other long enough to build such a strongly emphasized friendship, did you not pay attention when 1.) Charles saves Erik's life when they meet. and 2.) gives him a sliver of joy in an otherwise tortured mind.
to someone who has had everything taken from him over and over again, to be given such profound gifts as friendship and peace of mind by a kindred spirit(since they both are mutants)and total stranger for no price or ulterior motive

 

[sarahvait]

As much as I love Deadpool I would be cautious about how to do a movie. He is a funny character yes, but his most defining feature of breaking the 4th wall is just a difficult thing to write for. Hell, I can only think of a handful of movies and TV shows that have attempted it and fewer that have done it successfully. He worked well in Wolverine just because he was the comic relief....for 5 minutes. I could be happy with him being the comic relief again. I am curious how they would market a Deadpool movie too.

Yeah, I thought that too. I'm worried about a Deadpool movie in terms of what I agreed with in Bob's Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides review. Yeah, that minor character (Jack Sparrow) becomes a favorite of the fans, and it seems like a great idea to make him the star of his own thing. But is it a good idea to have that character carry the movie?

Or is it better to keep Deadpool a minor, or at most a major secondary character, so he's free to do what he does best (fourth wall breaking, generally being zany and unpredictable as all hell), while letting another main character do the stuff that would be out of character for him but necessary to the story/plot (being noble, having the romance, saving the world, blah, blah, blah)?

I mean, most superhero movies seem to be about saving the world, or at least averting some huge disaster. Granted, I'm probably not as familiar with Deadpool as some of you guys, but in my mind, unless you can think of a really good reason to get him to save the world, a giant meteor or whatever set to blow up the earth would probably just make him go "Awesome! Who's for an end of the world BBQ? We don't even need matches! I'll bring the hot dogs!"

I wish I could have phrased all that a bit more eloquently but yeah. I sort of feel like I may be just talking out of my ass. I'm not saying a Deadpool movie is impossible, but they're going to need some incredibly talented people who really know what they're doing to craft it.

 

[WolfThomas]

Yeah, I thought that too. I'm worried about a Deadpool movie in terms of what I agreed with in Bob's Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides review. Yeah, that minor character (Jack Sparrow) becomes a favorite of the fans, and it seems like a great idea to make him the star of his own thing. But is it a good idea to have that character carry the movie?

Or is it better to keep Deadpool a minor, or at most a major secondary character, so he's free to do what he does best (fourth wall breaking, generally being zany and unpredictable as all hell), while letting another main character do the stuff that would be out of character for him but necessary to the story/plot (being noble, having the romance, saving the world, blah, blah, blah)?

That's actually one of the most convincing arguments I've ever heard for having a Cable and Deadpool movie. Cable is the ultimate straight man to Deadpool's zani-ness.

 

[Farther than stars]

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OK, I have to take randomfox's side here. For one, you can't stop this kind of thing from happening when you have different writers and different filmmakers work around the same continuity. Some "glitches" simply are going to occur.
As for the legs, I believe that in the comic books Xavier lost the use of his legs when a rock was dropped on them. So there. How's that for continuity?
And I also remember that he once got the use of his legs back when he was infected with the Legacy Virus (ironic if you think about the first syllable in "Legacy") and he was able to walk again. So since he can theoretically get the use of his legs back whenever the continuity demands it.
But let's face it. The it doesn't really matter what the cause is for Xavier having to be in a wheelchair. What matters is that he is in a wheelchair, because it's just a part of the metaphore for the mind over matter ideology which Xavier represents.

 

[Pedro Negrin]

Actually if you put it in consideration the first movie also has a contradict. In X-Men Profesor X doesn't know how magneto is avoiding his mind powers. In first Class he knows that the helmet avoids this. Also can somebody explain to me why the helmet stops the powers, its never explaind.

Also I wanted to say that while Rattner didn't do that good of a job with X3, its an okay movie. I mean I would say the writers fucked it up more (the writers of X2 went to Superman Returns). So yeah X3 wasn't good but I think its really hated too much by comic fans. Plus Fox was rushing the movie out the door (thats a reason why the guy that Ratner replaced left). What I say is that I don't hate that movie like everyone else and if it was in other hands the basic story could work.