Next Transformers Film Won't Be A Reboot

[PrinceofPersia]

Transformers gets slammed because it's popular. Michael Bay gets slammed because he made something popular, and is successful. The general public isn't stupid. If the movies were half as bad as the band wagon haters say, there never would have been a second one made.

I'd like to disagree on the basis that the general populace are an ignorant bunch of tools that can be outsmarted by a dog in a silly hat. X-Men Origins Wolverine did incredibly well and was generally popular but we don't slam Wolverine because we're jealous, we slam it because if we don't then they'll idealize it as a movie.

Also the general populace thinks that "The Hurt Locker" was the best movie of 2010. It was a mediocre-at-best war drama with no relatable characters.

As the killing blow, the general populace is stupid because they can be convinced that evolution is a lie. Seriously, any person that truly believes that regardless of SCIENTIFIC FACT we aren't the product of the development of a lesser species just needs to die.

Did I mention I really like your avatar and name? Freaking sweet! To add to your points is the ever stated: "But I go to the movies to turn off my brain and enjoy some entertainment" argument which seems to be a popular chant to defend bad movies. Unfortunately is also shows that the general population of film watchers want to be stupefied while their entertained. Getting things past this mind numbed audience is so easy an eight year old can do it. The thing is not everyone goes to the movies for this reason. A sizable minority want plot, story, actual characters you can care about/empathize with, and something that gets them thinking about things they normally overlook. That is something only good movies can do not same old formula cash grab salutes to the U.S. military like the Bayformers turned into.

Well I am not watching Transformers 3 or any other films in this 'trilogy'.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

Wha? What?

Where do they even go from there? They could do a prequel, but that would contradict the whole "It won't be all bots" thing. The ending seemed pretty final, does anyone else feel the same way?

Well, they could do a prequel. Set it in prehistoric times and have elite teams of cave-men troopers helping out the Maximals in their war against the Predacons! It could end with the actual Dinobots coming in and wreaking up everyone but I don't think that would happen.

Hey, maybe Marvel can use their sweet Avenger money to buy back the Transformers and have a series about them fighting the Skrull, Kree or just fighting Galactus and/or Unicron.

 

[MajorDolphin]

Maybe they'll base the story around say... the Transformers themselves or around interesting characters of some sort.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

Oh, hey, let's get rid of Bay and then immediately antagonize our fanbase.


You raised my hopes and then dashed them quite expertly, sir.

Wha? What?

Where do they even go from there? They could do a prequel, but that would contradict the whole "It won't be all bots" thing. The ending seemed pretty final, does anyone else feel the same way?

Well, they could do a prequel. Set it in prehistoric times and have elite teams of cave-men troopers helping out the Maximals in their war against the Predacons! It could end with the actual Dinobots coming in and wreaking up everyone but I don't think that would happen.

Hey, maybe Marvel can use their sweet Avenger money to buy back the Transformers and have a series about them fighting the Skrull, Kree or just fighting Galactus and/or Unicron.

The Transformers were never a Marvel property. Marvel had the rights to make Transformer comics for a bit, but nothing else. Hasbro owns the Transformers. What you just said is like saying that the Power Rangers were a Marvel property simply because Marvel got the comics rights from Saban.

 

[thom_cat_]

Next Transformers Film-

bad news.

 

[digital warrior]

Excuse me, we're arguing about robot movies here. Could you take your political/philosophical/religious debate outside? Or at least relate them to Optimus Prime in some way?

Optimus died for our sins and on the third season he did raise.
All are Welcome in the church of Optimus. All hail the allspark.

 

[Cowabungaa]

*sigh*

Come on guys, making a decent enough Transformers flick isn't difficult! Why on earth must you keep insisting on stupid and completely unnecesary additions like giving excessive screentime to the non-robot characters during the big freakin' robot fights. Why do you have to insist on pre-teen humour. And why the fuck do you think your target audience would find American soldiers cooler than huge robots duking it out?

Dammit, just make some generic military flick if you want to, leave the huge robot fights to someone else then.

Wait, Shia Labeouf made Indiana Jones seem uncool? is this what people think?

Making a new Indiana Jones movie with Harrison Ford looking older than most of the artifact made Indiana Jones seem uncool. That wasn't really Shwarza The Beef's fault but you know... he was there.

Yeah, that and the Aliens. I was like, "What? This is Indiana Jones! What the hell are Aliens doing here?!? This isn't right!!"

*sigh* One Indy film had a centuries old Templar knight that didn't die and another had a box that melted faces off. People should stop bitching about the damn aliens, Indy flicks have weirder shit than that.

If the movies were half as bad as the band wagon haters say, there never would have been a second one made.

It doesn't even have that much to do with 'bandwagon haters', the flicks are getting bad reviews everywhere, and not just by nerds who grew up in the 80's, yet they make craptons of money.

Thing is, all this crap simply doesn't have any place in a Transformers movie. It's a freakin' Transformers movie, and the Transformers franchise is not about post-teens struggling to have a relationship with some one-dimensional picture-perfect model while making stupid masturbation jokes and having awful racial jokes.

What makes this a bad Transformers product is that you can leave the Transformers out of it, insert generic aliens/angels and demons/killer koalas and still have have the majority of the movie standing. It's like Bay wanted to make some military and romance epic and reluctantly accepted that yeah, you guys can put the giant robots in, whatever...

 

[Wintermoot]

can we please have normal mech designs in the next movie?
the current ones look like a tornado ran over a scrapyard!

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

[HEADING=1]WHY?[/HEADING]

You WON'T reboot this monstrousity but you'll reboot anything that has even an ounce of artistic merit yet?

Do you have any conscience? Oh wait...do News International own you?

 

[Jandau]

We don't hate it because "it's not all bots", we hate it because it's too little bots and the human characters are about as interesting as watching a snail crawl up a wall of drying paint...

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

*sigh* One Indy film had a centuries old Templar knight that didn't die and another had a box that melted faces off. People should stop bitching about the damn aliens, Indy flicks have weirder shit than that.

There's a big difference. If they were Nazis pretending to be Aliens (which would be sillier) then it might have worked.

It's all a question of keeping within the genre. Once you're within the genre walls, anything is feasible. Step outside, and people demand realism.

(See the latest James Bond movies, where it's more realistic than Goldfinger, say, but less believable)

 

[Omechron]

Since Bay is not gonna make another Transformers, what's next for him - A Voltron movie?

The running joke has been a Gundam movie.

It'd be pretty funny to have him put his "the army is the best thing anywhere ever forever" crap into a series that is primarily about the fact that war sucks and it destroys or damages absolutely everyone involved.

Plus at least Gundam's robots are supposed to be just vehicles (literally and figuratively) for human drama involving teenage boys coming of age. As opposed to, you know, the whole point of the story.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

If that's the case, I'm not even sure what direction this could go. They already ruined it a la Indiana Jones.

 

[The Human Torch]

By the third movie, people know exactly what they're getting in to. You could figure out after the first movie that it isn't 100% robots. Expecting the human plot to be dropped in favor of giant robot battles is moronic. That's not how sequels work(good ones, any way). When you go see a Transformers movie, you know you're getting a human romance/fight for survival plot, as well as the robots. And if you don't agree with that, don't go see it.

And we both know that if there was no human plot, people would be complaining that Transformers is three movies of two teams of robots fighting the same battles over and over. How many times can people watch the same robot turn into the same vehicle, and vice versa?

Transformers gets slammed because it's popular. Michael Bay gets slammed because he made something popular, and is successful. The general public isn't stupid. If the movies were half as bad as the band wagon haters say, there never would have been a second one made.

Just because it is, doesn't mean that they should have. The original animated movie barely had any humans in them and yet it was a box-office hit when it came out. The first cartoon series and the movie that was used as a gateway between generation one and two were aimed at kids. Their respective quality is debatable because it was a kids show. Look at modern day cartoons, they are absolute crap, yet kids love it. Their standards are not the same as that of an adult.

That being said, Transformers is more than just a few cartoons. There is the whole comicbook series which got pretty damn dark and violent as it went on. You are curious to see how Transformers could make a good story with JUST robots and next to no humans? Read the comic-books. Everything is in there, from humor to action to self-sacrifice to some robot romance (very little though, seeing as how there are just a few female robots). And this is just the original comic-book series from the 80's.
You should read some of the newer comic books that came out, absolutely gorgeous artwork, brutal violence and a real story to them. They far exceed the level of the Bay movies, but guess what? They still have humans in them who actually feel like they are where they should be and provide some necessary scale and relativity to the comics. Heck, there is even one woman who falls in love with the Autobot Jazz.

Whoever will direct the new trilogy, even if they go from the Micheal Bay movies, there is plenty of source material to use. Hundreds of robot characters that would make excellent screen-fillers and you don't even have to resource to throwing in a hot babe purely for the sake of selling a few more tickets.

 

[Omechron]

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*sigh* One Indy film had a centuries old Templar knight that didn't die and a box that melted faces off. People should stop bitching about the damn aliens, Indy flicks have weirder shit than that.

I'll agree that aliens aren't a big deal compared to things like an eternally-alive Templar knight, a chest that can melt people's faces, and a cult of people who can remove your heart still-beating from your chest by stabbing into your chest with their fingers (which I like to pretend is where Bleach got its obsession with hands that can stab through people's chests >_> <_<).

But let's not pretend that the movie didn't REAAAAAALLY push the boundaries of what is believable. This movie, from start to finish, was so difficult to believe that it felt like a typical modern action movie filled with ridiculous concepts and an impossible-to-kill lead character, rather than an Indiana Jones film.

More importantly, it's thematically different. Other Indiana Jones movies are about digging up ancient and mystical artifacts with crazy mystical legends about them, and then having those legends turn out to be true.

That's like saying because Alien VS Predator has aliens in it you can just throw in some vampire stuff.

 

[Mr. Gency]

Shia Labeouf and Michael Bay have both stated that they're <a href=http://www.thetransformers.net/bay-leaves-transformers-6706.html>not coming back for another Transformers movie.

I was going to say that everything is bad news until Bay stops making Transformers movies, and then I read this.

Then, I looked at the link and saw that Bay didn't work on the third transformers movie. Even though I remember the commercials saying it's a film by Micheal Bay. Then Bay says he wants to make a movie without explosions?

Confound these Escapist articles

They drive me to confusion

 

[jurnag12]

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[Veldel]

If they do a Beast Wars Prequel, I'm gonna kill someone.

if they did beast wars it would be way in the future unless they pull the whole time changing stuff.



OT: Id rather them stop the movies sucked and did the chars poorly reboot and let someone who knows the sorce material well do the movies

 

[redeemer09]

Transformers gets slammed because it's popular. Michael Bay gets slammed because he made something popular, and is successful. The general public isn't stupid. If the movies were half as bad as the band wagon haters say, there never would have been a second one made.

I'd like to disagree on the basis that the general populace are an ignorant bunch of tools that can be outsmarted by a dog in a silly hat. X-Men Origins Wolverine did incredibly well and was generally popular but we don't slam Wolverine because we're jealous, we slam it because if we don't then they'll idealize it as a movie.

Also the general populace thinks that "The Hurt Locker" was the best movie of 2010. It was a mediocre-at-best war drama with no relatable characters.

As the killing blow, the general populace is stupid because they can be convinced that evolution is a lie. Seriously, any person that truly believes that regardless of SCIENTIFIC FACT we aren't the product of the development of a lesser species just needs to die.

even though i dont agree with your last statement.but you make a point...i mean look at

 

[imnot]

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

I only saw the first one and thats more then enough!