NIntendo Apologizes For Exclusion Of Gays From Tomodachi Life

[Dragonbums]

How about you calm down, remove the insults in your post before someone reports it, and don't try to misconstrue my argument?

Nobody is misconstruing your argument. I'm saying exactly what you claimed. You are the one who fired off the shots by stating that all neutral parties are against homosexuality on the sheer basis that they don't have an opinion.

It's this simple.

Either people think gays are equal, or they do not. Follow this so far? It's a simple case of X or Not X. There's nothing between that, X and Not X comprise the entire universe of possibilities. Within Not X there are varying degrees. some people just don't care. Some outright want gay rights lessened. Either way, they do not believe gays are equal.

If someone is okay with outright anti-gay people winning, then they think it's okay if gays aren't treated equally. Therefore, if someone is 'neutral' on the issue of rights then they do not believe gays are equal.

And here you keep repeating the same thing with nothing to back that up but your own binary assumptions.

Since you are so determined to get the very meaning of neutrality wrong let me give you the definition as stated in the dictionary:


adjective
adjective: neutral

1.
not helping or supporting either side in a conflict, disagreement, etc.; impartial.
"during the Second World War, Portugal was neutral"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, objective, equitable, open-minded, nonpartisan, disinterested, dispassionate, detached, impersonal, unemotional, indifferent, uncommitted More

 

[Dragonbums]

Thats not what they said. You keep making the "You should be nicer in your town, you're scary away allies" argument, which by the way, horseshit.

Yes it is. He/she stated that if you are neutral on the gay rights movement you are automatically against the gay rights movement. I'm not advocating for people to be complacent. I'm advocating for people to be rational and not put people in binary camps of opinions. Doing such is a surefire way to have your entire movement backfire in your face.

Not quite. What they said, and everybody else in this thread has said, is that if you're not an ally and do nothing to aid the gay rights movement, you are content with a state that is harmful towards non-heterosexuals. The fact that you aren't siding with homophobes doesn't make you an ally and it certainly doesn't shiled you from criticism.

Wrong again. You, Ratherdull, and Saint Ganandorf have stated on multiple occasions that if you are neutral on the subject of gay rights then by default you actively want gay people to be treated unequally. Regardless of whether or not even so much as give any attention to the opposition.

Problem is, they're gay rights. People have rights, or they don't.

And those who are neutral don't care on either side. They aren't advocating for your rights, and they aren't advocating for the revoking of your rights either. So to say the latter is false.

This is a binary system, period. Either gay people are equal, or they're not. You can't stay neutral in that scenario, because there's no neutral option. So if somebody doesn't give a shit, that means, well, they don't give a shit. They're content with a negative status for gay people. Thats all I, and others, in this thread have been saying.

There is always a neutral stance in any political and social politics. Always. Those who claim such are so clouded by their ideals that they can't possibly fathom that not everyone is willing to pick a side. They just want to be left alone and could care less about the outcome.

Nobody is claiming that Nintendo is managed by homophobes. One person on this site jas, and they retracted that shortly thereafter.

You cannot sit there and state multiple times that if your neutral (which was Nintendo's stance on the whole debate) then your against homosexual rights and then promptly turn around and say nobody was calling Nintendo homophobes. Yes you are. Because people who are against homosexual rights are homophobic, and anti gay. And since anyone who is neutral is apparently part of the anti homosexual side then that means you and those who hold your views consider Nintendo homophobes.

I would call the shitty person the one who decides that they're not going to help all gay people be given their due rights because one gay person somewhere wasn't super-duper nice to them.

They also aren't going to help the other side by going out of their way to take away your rights either. Neutral people are a non factor in your entire movement. But you know what? Who gives a hell about what you think? You want to call me a shitty person for being neutral? Fine. I'll admit. I Dragonbums user of Escapist is neutral about the gay rights movement. Which by default according to MarsAtlas, RatherDull, and Saint Ganandorf means that I am against homosexuality, and I'm a bigot, and contribute to the erasure of of homosexuals in society, along with the systematic loss of their rights. I am a piece of trash. I will now continue my trashy behavior by continuing to do nothing at all to help or prevent anything from the LGBTQ community and continue doing nothing.

So now that we got that all settled. I'm done with the both of you. Enjoy your victory of binary black and white activism.

Your fellow patriots are proud of the justice you served in this thread.

 

[Dragonbums]

I don't care if you call yourself neutral, that doesn't mean you actually are,

And with this ladies and gentlemen is where I stop here.

I am neutral. I don't care about what happens either way. Continue to ignore this and continue your crusade of calling people bad people and overall garbage for not picking a side in any argument that you feel for.

Enjoy your heroic day of justice.

 

[Madmanonfire]

WoW Nintendo... now let me get this straight.

Players found some bug in the game that allowed them to sort of get away with what amounted to same sex...

You patched it out...

Way to trip over the second hurdle.

Same sex marriage is still both in and not in the game, with the gender setting being the only thing to make it "not in". Your post is one of the many examples of people not actually knowing what the situation is before reacting to it.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/05/nintendo-on-gay-marriage-and-tomodachi-life

"The other thing that was going on was that quite a few Japanese players were dressing up Mii characters," Trinen explained. "Essentially they would create a male version of a Mii character and assign their gender as female, and that was how the two males were able to have a baby."

The patch did not change the fact that players could do that.

It only addressed the data transfer issue according to Trinen. "Because we didn?t have the DS version [in the West], there is no data transfer issue for us," Trinen said. "So it was actually two separate things that got lumped together into one piece of confusion that resulted in people not quite understanding what had gone on."

OT: It seems that despite nothing being negatively changed in the game, Nintendo having given a positive answer that Miiquality was seeking (making it a success), and the problem being solvable with a tiny requirement that "female" must be attributed to one of the characters, people are still going to make a mountain out of this molehill and take a ridiculously silly game as a serious enough matter for arguing and complaining. Is it to make themselves look morally superior to others? Is it to hate on Nintendo? Is it simply because their feelings were hurt?

All I know is that I can't wait for this topic to fade out. It's overstaying its welcome.

 

[deadish]

They shouldn't have to apologize - from a legal nor moral standpoint. Although I totally understand why they would.

It's their product, they can do whatever they want with it.

There is no law stating that all products have to be "inclusive" of everyone and everything.

 

[andago]

Basically, one side is saying that by being neutral on a subject, you are allowing those actively in favour of the status quo to get away with the oppression of certain rights of minority subgroups in society. By doing nothing, you are helping keep things the same, whether or not you are actually neutral in your own beliefs.

What the other side is saying, is that because they are not actively oppressing said demographic even though they express themselves as neutral on the subject, that they are equally willing to allow the status quo to change if that's the way things go, and as such can't be said to be "anti" the movement.

If nintendo could patch in the changes needed without the strain on resources such as time, money and manpower (considering that these resources would have to be diverted from other potentially profitable projects), and then chose not to, then I might question their stance.

For myself I am wouldn't attend a gay rights rally, i wouldn't actively campaign politicians for equal legal standing for gay rights, I don't actively seek gay charities to donate to, but this is in the same way that i don't do it for wealth equality, or race equality, because everyone individually has their own limited pool of resources to spend on their life and sometimes there are injustices that are not personally important enough to get actively involved in. Instead, I live my own life through my beliefs. I don't pick relationships in my life based on gender, sexual, or racial discrimination. If i had kids i would teach them to do the same. If i had friends who believed otherwise i would explain why i disagree with them. Even if i don't get involved in the bigger picture, i influence people in my own life with my opinions, just as they do with theirs, and personally I would always expound for equality free from superficial discrimination.

Big campaigns don't sway me to one side or the other, they just draw attention to an issue, and then it is up to me as an individual to form their own opinion on the matter, and live my life accordingly, and so in my own personal way I do campaign for what I believe in, it's just not as noticeable on the grand scale, and I believe that for those claiming neutrality in this thread it's much the same.

Peace and love man.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I know you're trying to be nice but it is not an okay thing to say "gays"

 

[DaViller]

I'm tired of people saying that. If it is then they weren't very good people to start with. They're suddenly not for equal rights because they didn't like what one person said. I find that pretty despicable. Why am I supposed to cater to people I find despicable?

Just look at it this way, if some dude walks up to you with a pamphlet to protect the rainforest, a situation that you are mostly indifferent to, and says "hey you fucknut, sign my petition to protect the rainforest and donate some money you tree hating son of a *****.". I would tell that person to fuck off and so will anyone else. If you wanna win people over to your side, it helps not to insult them right out of the gate.

 

[Dragonbums]

The worst that the Lumiose City glitch did was delete your save file.

And still, it deleted game saves or locked players out of said saves. I mean, they still had to do all that stuff you then mention.

And yet you still didn't address the fact that:
1. That patch came out a mere month after the release of the game

2. It was meant from the get go to be a world wide marketed game.

3. It's not a one year old game

4. In a game that at the time was marketed only for Japanese players for Japanese players in a country where gay marriage is illegal, why in the hell do you think Nintendo would patch in gay marriage? Seriously. Ask me this. Because nobody here but those for calling Nintendo anti gay have ever once addressed this incredibly important aspect of this decision outside of replies that are basically the same self centered Western garbage that contributes to the reason why the rest of the world can't stand us.

 

[DaViller]

If I see someone beating someone else up for no reason, and a bystander says "Oh I'm neutral on this issue," I'm not going to think very highly of them. If I then tell them that shows a lack of empathy and they then explode with "Fine I'll join the other guy!" then he's pretty despicable.

Yeah but thats an immediate "do or die" situation so to speak. If this whole nintendo thing where more similar to this it would be a chick fila (or whatever that was called) situation, in wich nintendo would be directly supporting anti gay groups or even worse. In that case people would be much more willing to be decidedly on your side and actively support your cause.

This situation however is much more alike to the whole "save the rainforest" thing. You know it´s happening and that it is a real problem, however I´m gonna suspect you are not an activist in this matter right now (if that is untrue I apologize). In this situation you would, after my definition, be considered neutral. Now if I was the afore mentioned dude with a pamphlet being an asshole to you, I would have only myself to blame if I did not get your support on this issue. That does not mean you´r against saving the rainforest, that just means you remain in a neutral position.

Same goes in this situation. I`m pro gay marriage since my general philosphy is "live and let live". I consider this a rather minor issue and more of an oversight on nintendos part, not outright aggression. This is not a severe enough case to go into direct action if you ask me. Going into "for us or against us" war mode over an issue of such little impact is probably a mistake if you try to get support.