NIntendo Apologizes For Exclusion Of Gays From Tomodachi Life

[Eve Charm]

When presented with the Miiquality thing, they were confronted into a situation where they had to give a "yes" answer, or a "no" answer. No wiggle room. They basically gave a very obfuscated "no" answer towards inclusion, which projects the idea "no, you don't belong in this". They were trying to squirm their way out of it, but there's only so long that you can avoid a yes/no question. They refused, and are still basically refusing, to give a straight answer, because they're in a Catch-22. Say yes? Piss off anti-gay people. Say no? Piss off gay people. They're trying to have it both ways, as they have been for years, and this was an instance where they really couldn't avoid it, and in the future, it'll only become more difficult for them to refuse a position.

Really what makes you think that other then that's what you want to think? I was pretty sure the no answer and by the other response was an No because the game wasn't made with it, and isn't something that can easily be patched in. It's also really hard to get a straight answer from a corporation that employees thousands of people, and obviously has bad translators hence this debacle to begin with.

Believe me if Nintendo wanted to stay closed minded about this there is a pretty big elephant they could of pushed and said " sorry it can't be done, ever." give it a break already and celebrate like everyone else should be that their movement was an success.

 

[Something Amyss]

I would like to thank the people who complained about Miiquality for helping accomplish this by doing more to raise attention to the issue than the Miiquality campaign ever could have....

Well, assuming that Nintendo stick to what they've said (which I have no reason to suspect otherwise), then it's a win for all involved.

Now, don't say that. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are pissed with the outcome.

I think Nintendo just didn't want to make a stance on the whole gay thing. There's risk for a large company in saying that they're anti or pro same sex relationships.

Fair not not, there is no way to not take a stance on it when you're determining who can get married/have relationships/whatever.

[sub][sub]If only they were this quick in saving the Wii-U. [/sub][/sub]

If only they weren't trailing-edge in most of their thinking. This is exactly why they're getting pounded in general.

Bravely Default has nothing to do with Nintendo. It was developed and published by Square Enix very famously it has caused to the want to get back to their roots.

It was published by Nintendo in North America and multiple other non-Japanese locales.

I don't support the rest of THE's argument, but I think it's important to point that out.

God the Nintendo fans are really reaching today.

There hasn't been much defensible in Nintendoland of late.

Not to mention that the same sex couple "feature" in question actually corrupted save files, crashed the game, and in some instances actually damaged the 3DS itself.

Wow, that makes sense then. I'm surprised they didn't patch out saving in Lumiose city, then.

How hard could it possibly be to include it?

It COULD be quite hard. But we don't really know, because saying something is hard or impossible is the boilerplate, default line whether it's true or not. Microsoft said they couldn't just flip a switch and disable Xbone's DRM and mandatory Kinect, but when it became unpopular, that's what they did. And EA/Maxxxxxxis said offline mode and the like were completely impossible, and now they're on it.

It's not hard to see why people are skeptical when Nintendo says it's hard or impossible or whatever, but that doesn't mean it'd be simple, either.

There's a reason people are saying stuff like:

I give it maybe a month before someone patches it in somehow, despite how "impossible" Nintento says that would be.

 

[The Lunatic]

I wonder if it'd be okay to remove relationships with different races if there was a "Bug" causing issue with it.

 

[Eve Charm]

Really what makes you think that other then that's what you want to think?

For one, they dismissed the inclusion of same-sex couples as "social commentary".

"The relationship options in the game represent a playful alternate world rather than a real-life simulation. We hope that all of our fans will see that Tomodachi Life was intended to be a whimsical and quirky game, and that we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary."

So having gay people in the game isn't being inclusive, its "social commentary". I'll remember to pull that the next time people complain that there isn't enough diversity among characters in gaming narratives. "Oh guys, don't you poor fools know, its social commentary to write a story that is about actual human beings that behave as such. Its too politically charged to have anybody but straight white men as main characters."

Again seeing what you only want to see, while not having gay people in the game isn't social commentary ((tho I don't know if thats even true)) having same sex marriage in world being perfectly acceptable and common when in the real world it Isn't perfectly acceptable in MOST of the world, is social commentary. even depending how you want to read the statement, Nintendo can be defending it against there game as in there game only having hetero marriage is social commentary on it being wrong. I'm pretty sure you mentioned somewhere you didn't think nintendo was a bunch of bigots, yet your assuming every statement they are.

I wonder if it'd be okay to remove relationships with different races if there was a "Bug" causing issue with it.

I don't know? How many people would prefer their video game being bricked and unplayable vs whatever needing to be cut out of it.

 

[The Lunatic]

I wonder if it'd be okay to remove relationships with different races if there was a "Bug" causing issue with it.

I don't know? How many people would prefer their video game being bricked and unplayable vs whatever needing to be cut out of it.

That sounds like a developer skill issue.

 

[Strazdas]

Seriously!

Sony or Microsoft pulled this and it would a comments section filled with "yeah, right!" and out right aggression, Nintendo can get a little bit of stick, say "maybe next time" and all is good?

simple reason for this. nintendo never lied about it as far as we know. Sony and Microsoft did lie about it multiple times. we have no reason to trust these two, while so far trust from nintendo is not gone in this part at least.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Snip.

Wow, you're a lengthy post machine! Thanks for that, I can fully see where you're coming from.

Off Topic: By the way, New Zealander, not Australian, I'll forgive you since our flags are similar hover your mouse over the flag in someones profile and it names the country.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

But if it's not supporting either side, how is it supporting one side, that may be your perspective, but not the neutral person who sees it differently. You're basically saying that if people aren't with you, they're against you, and that's why some people just stay neutral. Because they don't like being lumped in with either side of an issue that maybe just doesn't affect them. (I'm not talking about Nintendo, just the issue of neutrality in general.)

Because it is not neural. It deliberately excludes a group of people and reinforces a heteronormative worldview.

Because... I don't know... the world actually is heteronormative?
Heterosexuality is the norm. 95% of the world population are heterosexuals. Heterosexuality is the way our species keeps on multiplying.

Whether you like it or not, heterosexuality is the norm. It's the normal way things are.

Also before you call me a homophobe, I'm gay. It's just that I don't live in a dream world where 5% is the same as 95%. We are slowly getting our rights, things are slowly getting better, but we will never be the norm. You need to learn to deal with it.

 

[Dragonbums]

To be 'neutral' is to say that it's fine to treat them differently. Neutrality when it comes to treating others equal is utter nonsense. It shows they do not think that they are on the same level to say that it's okay to treat them as different in ways that have nothing to do with their differences.

No it's not. This is the kind of crap that's getting less and less people into joining your cause.

To be neutral is to not care from either side. You aren't for homosexuality, you aren't against homosexuality. You just don't give a fuck because you have other things to worry about. Or are you going to tell people in Bangladesh that they are against homosexuality because not a single fucking one of them once in their life ever decided to voice their support for the group?

 

[omega 616]

To everyone, There is a middle ground, and Nintendo took it. The lack of a statement is exactly the lack of a statement. The three of you are just reacting immaturely to the entire affair. Especially by saying that the statement is still a statement despite being unintentional. If we follow that logic, then my mother made a racist and homophobic statement by falling for someone who's a white male instead of a black female. She didn't intend to offend anyone by it, but it's apparently still a statement.

You can CHOOSE to believe that having heterosexual relations without having homosexual relations is anti-gay propaganda, but that's just you misinterpreting it. Choosing to get up in arms over nothing is why people don't take certain debates seriously. Let's take feminism as an example. Some people mistake the meaning of feminism due to certain feminists seeking women's superiority in places where there's already women's equality. None of you are helping the problem of anti-homosexuality by grabbing your pitchforks because of a small error.

Besides. Selective hate is seriously harming the credibility of all of you. You're all showing that you simply want to jump on a bandwagon as it rolls down a hill. None of you seemed to have problems with any of the Harvest Moon or Fire Emblem games.

That isn't middle ground! "I'm not Nazi or ally but fuck them jews!".

I never said it is anti-gay propaganda, that would be people who say "letting gays marry would mean people will marry their dogs soon", it isn't even anti-gay, it's excluding a huge amount of people for no reason!

Say what you like but if you have a game with hetero only relationships in, you're a dick. It's like it's only validating the existence of hetero only relationships and in the age where gay rights and acceptance is really making breakthroughs, it is unacceptable....but of course people let Nintendo off 'cos it's Nintendo and they make Mario, which is obviously the best game franchise EVER!

 

[Dragonbums]

Wow, that makes sense then. I'm surprised they didn't patch out saving in Lumiose city, then.

Don't be obtuse. The worst that the Lumiose City glitch did was delete your save file. It didn't corrupt the game or bring actual harm to the 3DS software (since this came about through transferring of Mii's from the Wii/Wii U) This is also not to mention that fixing a saving glitch in one specific area is a lot more easier to fix than recoding an entire game from the ground up to include homosexual relationships. Because they have to implement different scenario codes, different dialogues, different reactions, etc. etc. AND make sure it doesn't crash the game, corrupt save files, or damage the 3DS software.

Or would you rather they do a really half ass job on it?

Then your ignoring the fact that this game came out in early 2013 and was only meant for a Japanese audience until recently. Up until this point Japan didn't give two fucks and so Nintendo saw no need to do anything. Now people are demanding that they pull the original dev team off whatever they are doing elsewhere to patch a one year old game for an audience whom they have no fucking clue will even buy enough copies of this game to even remotely justify the cost of implementing same sex couples. And it doesn't seem like your going to put your money where your mouth is and actually buy the game yourself anyway.

 

[Dragonbums]

That isn't middle ground! "I'm not Nazi or ally but fuck them jews!".

That is not something a neutral person would say. At all.

Find a better example.

 

[Faustek]

Wait but is this sarcasm? Or are you serious?

I'm serious.

I think DRM is far more detrimental to gaming than lack of gay representation.

But this issue with Nintendo was solved in what... a week? And purely by internet activism too. Wherease the only DRM 'victory' I can think of is the xbone debacle and that still took a month or so, and probably only because PS4 preorders were outselling xbones by 10 to 1.

I'm glad "SJW"s exist. Somewhere, sometime there where many people screaming and raging about something. Now I can marry whoever, my SO can work, go to school and most importantly I can help build something better for my kids.

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Well everyone saying the game was finished a year ago. Costs to much to change even if they knew this was coming.

Let me ask you this. Didn't Nintendo implement region locking just so they could make sure that each region got the proper content? Something that would suite them?

Yes I think its all bs.

 

[Vegosiux]

By putting words in my mouth you show that you don't care for an actual discussion.

Who was "putting words in your mouth"? It was you who started with "You're either with us or against us!" to begin with. Now someone asked you how not falling in line with your view completely makes them your enemy, and this is the best you can come up with? But hey, I get it, this discussion isn't about LGBT rights at all. It's about people trying to aggrandize their own egos, as it always is after the first few posts...

*raises hands* Yeah I think I'll just fire up EU4 and go annex Netherlands or something.

 

[Chaos James]

Based on all this, I wouldn't be surprised to see the next Tomodachi Life game come out with Homosexual relationships, but Nintendo not localizing the game to English-speakers because no one buys the current game.