This. Exactly this.Sylocat said:
I want my games to be fun and colorful, damnit, and I'll be buggered if about 95% of all Mario, Metroid and Zelda games don't deliver on the fun and colorful criteria.
Besides, I'm still waiting on Skyward Sword.
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I want my games to be fun and colorful, damnit, and I'll be buggered if about 95% of all Mario, Metroid and Zelda games don't deliver on the fun and colorful criteria.
Besides, I'm still waiting on Skyward Sword.
Sure they have a library of decent first party titles. However, most of those titles are the same games we've been playing since Regan was in office regurgitated over and over.Mehall said:
Secondly, what you neglect to mention is all the games that are on the PS3 and Xbox 360 that will never be on the Wii. Nintendo has no choice but to make worthwhile games for the Wii because no other company wants to bother with it outside of throwing cheaply made shovelware onto it. So how about instead of making a list of simply exclusives we make a list of worthwhile games each system has regardless of exclusivity and I can promise the Wii will be a very distant last.
Nintendo hasn't been a truly great company since the SNES was the hot new thing. The core gaming audience has all but abandoned them over time as proven by the failures that were the N64 and the Gamecube and Nintendo has given up being anything more than something to part casuals with their money as evidenced by the Wii.
The WiiU claims to bridge the gap between the core crowd and the casuals but ultimately it will end up being too much for the casuals and too little too late for the hardcore crowd. By trying to appeal to everyone they will appeal to almost nobody and end up back to where they were when they were struggling to maintain relevancy during the days of the N64 and Gamecube.
Glad someone does. Every time I come across a post talking about wanting a remake of some random game in HD I shake my head in disgust. Esp. considering how quickly presumably these same people will rail against games or systems with gimmicks. And yet they overlook the biggest gimmick of this fucking generation. ...okay second biggest gimmick (the biggest being steroscopic 3D)ToTaL LoLiGe said:
There's an Ubisoft game in development that's a pretty good example of what the system is capable of. The local multiplayer starts out pretty basic--split-screen co-operative FPS that plays like Gears of War's Horde mode, Halo's Firefight, ect. It's you and your partner against lots of enemies. What makes this interesting is that the third player, using the new controller, positions the enemy waves.Saltyk said:
Basically, it's an FPS with one controller and an RTS with the other.
As for a few incredibly vague ideas of my own...
You know how some games will have text pop up in real time, but it's hard to read? (Dead Space). This isn't a problem with many games, but I'd much rather see that on a screen in my hand where it's easy to read.
I know I'm not the only one hoping for a "retro movement" for shooters. Action packed levels that you actually need to explore, tons of ridiculous guns that you carry around with you at all times, ect. Well, with each weapon being one tap away, it's suddenly a lot easier to manage all that gear, so maybe we'll see an old school FPS comeback.
Fighters could benefit from constantly having the move list on your controller. (well...I would benefit from it anyway...)
Hopefully, there will be at least one survival horror that comes up with a good use for Augmented Reality.
And, this is really for those more creative than I, more multi-genre multiplayer would be awesome. I hope Ubisoft's game will be a success, because games not even being limited to style of play is an opportunity I do not want to see designers pass up.
I'll admit, it will mostly be a simple convenience in single-player games: quick-access inventories, tutorials, maps, birds-eye-view, ect, but this is a system that can use any type of controller (I doubt many developers will think of keyboard and mouse, but the Wii U does have several USB ports), but I'm confident that people more creative than I can come up with many interesting uses for that.
Don't worry, I didn't take it personally. They're doing something really different with this one, and there's always the chance that the designers won't get the hang of it. I don't that is likely this time around, since the controller is so similar to the DS, but it's still possible. I'm hoping that Nintendo will start selling the controller separately later on...sometimes being backed into a corner helps with creativity, but once they get the hang of things (and the controllers get cheaper), I'd like things to open up a bit.
My original complaint wasn't so much a defense of FPS' or COD clones, as it was a critique of a company which spent a generation (wii) seeking a different consumer's dollars than mine.
Mario and Zelda are (almost) always great games, but I did not enjoy them with the wii controller. There is nothing wrong with fun or light games, but when a company makes a conscious decision to focus on the "blue ocean" of new consumers over established VG fans, I feel justified in reciprocating the disinterest.
Same goes for such decisions as not localizing content or region locking their systems. Nintendo has chosen to prefer a different consumer to myself, and I've chosen to move on.
Mario and Zelda are (almost) always great games, but I did not enjoy them with the wii controller. There is nothing wrong with fun or light games, but when a company makes a conscious decision to focus on the "blue ocean" of new consumers over established VG fans, I feel justified in reciprocating the disinterest.
Same goes for such decisions as not localizing content or region locking their systems. Nintendo has chosen to prefer a different consumer to myself, and I've chosen to move on.
c.lavranos said:
well while we're whining about Nintendo being unfair let's bring up every other douchey thing every other big gaming company ever has done. actually it would be easier to list all the ones that aren't
The only company that I buy from that I don't have any complaint's for is NIS simply because they've only have one game that's ever truly japan only. any others that were got an English option even though they weren't released in America. all the re-releases are excused because all of their games are VERY limited releases in the first place and they add a TON of new content in the re-releases. (which usually include entire new story modes) I'm sure some people can find fault with them but I can't and while I'm sure there are other companies that care about their fans just as much as (if not more than) their money I can't think of any off hand.
For the record, Nintendo didn't make the Power Glove, although it was officially licensed. And they did make the Virtual Boy, so yeah their history is hardly untarnished, but what else can you expect of a company that's more than a century old (not even joking).Henkie36 said:
I agree that for quite a while Nintendo has mostly been rehashing old ideas, but that's a complaint I have of the entire videogame industry right now. If you look at the lineup at this year's E3, nearly every title is a sequel to something else. And what's worse is most series' also look the same as other series. If you showed someone off the street clips or screensots from CoD, Battlefield, Killzone or Gears of War, I bet they'd have trouble distinguishing them. Everyone bashes on Halo for not innovating, but at least it doesn't look the same as every other shooter.
What I'm trying to say is, if Gears of War 4 decides to use a yarn motif and motion controls, then maybe I'll start accusing Nintendo of stagnating.
The motion controls were a good idea in theory, but most developers didn't use them right, hell, many of them just flat out ignored motion control. There were a handful of great games for the Wii, but the majority of its games were low budget garbage........ The Wii's weak specs didn't help either.
I'm hoping Nintendo will turn things around with the WiiU, I hear the specs are good (but will probably be outdone by PS4 and Xbox..something), and they say they're focusing more on hardcore games on this system than they did for the Wii, but I'm not expecting too much out of that system.... who knows, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
And the 3DS, it sort of sucks right now, but a lot of the upcoming titles actually look really fun and, some even original *gasp*
I'm hoping Nintendo will turn things around with the WiiU, I hear the specs are good (but will probably be outdone by PS4 and Xbox..something), and they say they're focusing more on hardcore games on this system than they did for the Wii, but I'm not expecting too much out of that system.... who knows, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
And the 3DS, it sort of sucks right now, but a lot of the upcoming titles actually look really fun and, some even original *gasp*
Its because money is all that matters. Until they hit a slump somewhere down the road, nothing be will questioned. Just consume whatever you specifically choose and be content with it.
For posting that picture, you get 100 awesome points. "Zelda/Metroid/Mario never change." Proof of ignorance right there. Mario Galaxy was some seriously cool stuff and everyone keeps saying how Paper Mario is amazing too (wish I could have played it).starwarsgeek said:This picture sums up why I think complaints like that are total crap.Henkie36 said:
Obviously, the series will use similar core mechanics that evolve through the years, but Nintendo has made a serious effort to make sure the games have enough variety to stand out. Same goes for Mario, but I don't have a picture for that one.
Thanks! I'm glad someone enjoyed it; ten minutes in Paint well spent. People claiming that all Mario, Zelda, Metroid, ect. games are the same always give me the impression that they haven't actually taken the time to play these games.Et3rnalLegend64 said:
[sub]and/or they listen to Yahtzee a little too much...[/sub]
The biggest crux of this argument is the vast amount of games that the 360 and PS3 have that the Wii doesn't.Mehall said:
Your argument of the Wii having more "exclusives" would hold true if almost every other game was on all 3 systems except for the exclusives,but this isn't the case. There are a boatload of 360/PS3 only games that a Wii owner would really miss out on and I think that kind of takes a strike against the console.
Well if you want to list thinks like this... no more heroes is coming over to the PS3 in an HD remake, so that's no longer "exclusive", and for the 360 you forgot fable and tales of vesperia, at least. If you're going to include symphonia for the wii you should be fair and include vesperia for the 360... and the ps3 will have tales of graces as an exclusive as well as white knight chronicles.Mehall said:
It's not always quantity though, it's quality. A particular system might have a TON of exclusives, but if it's not what something it interested in then it doesn't matter. Having "good" exclusives is all up to opinion.
Look! More mindless Wii/DS/3DS hatred! It's almost as if they don't acknowledge that the wii has some solid games, the DS' library is BRIMMING with amazing must-play titles and that the 3DS' good games are being released as we speak and just want to hate the company!
"Just ignore them, maybe they'll get lives/go away."
The fact I clicked the button to give you all Beiber avatars makes it easier to not take it seriously.
"Just ignore them, maybe they'll get lives/go away."
The fact I clicked the button to give you all Beiber avatars makes it easier to not take it seriously.
Really? You're going to determine a console's value simply from the number of exclusives it's got? And even then you have to take into account that everyone won't like all the exclusives anyway. Most 'good' exclusives or no.Mehall said:
Exclusives are just incentives to chose one platform over another and it all comes down to what you prefer.
The difference between playing XBox360 in HD vs playing XBox360 in standard definition is negligible so yes I can.OutrageousEmu said: