why not use that money to make more good games nintendo! the casual games are all fine but a bit more hardcore games would be nice
Nintendo Named "World's Best Company" by Business Week
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The logic is in the sales of Nintendo products, not your opinion, and Nintendo happened to out-sell and out-business every other company this group looked at. They beat out Apple, creators of the iPod products (Which should make so much more money because they're so ridiculously overpriced) and MacBooks (Same price issue). Heck they beat out Google.randomrob said:
All I can say is well done Nintendo, I personally think they deserve it.
Putting aside my personal loathing of Nintendo:
You can say that Nintendo is selling games while the PS3 isn't but it's incredibly dubious that a console maker who is seeing slowing sales and has VERY few solid games for the console, much less first party games, is somehow higher ranked than Google which is taking over the whole internet slowly but steadily and Apple which has not only computers but iPods and the like. Somehow a game developer who sold like hotcakes for about two years is beating out a company that consistantly sells high end electronics? Right.
Also I'd buy Microsoft not being on the list seeing the 360 fiacso and PC sales are supposed to be slowing in favor of Netbooks and Macs, but Sony? Sony is more than just its video games department. It's got electronics AND movies, some of those movies that do very well. So how is it that it's not even in sight on the list? Yeah I think someone running this website owns stock in Nintendo and probably Google. It seems far too conspicuous.
You can say that Nintendo is selling games while the PS3 isn't but it's incredibly dubious that a console maker who is seeing slowing sales and has VERY few solid games for the console, much less first party games, is somehow higher ranked than Google which is taking over the whole internet slowly but steadily and Apple which has not only computers but iPods and the like. Somehow a game developer who sold like hotcakes for about two years is beating out a company that consistantly sells high end electronics? Right.
Also I'd buy Microsoft not being on the list seeing the 360 fiacso and PC sales are supposed to be slowing in favor of Netbooks and Macs, but Sony? Sony is more than just its video games department. It's got electronics AND movies, some of those movies that do very well. So how is it that it's not even in sight on the list? Yeah I think someone running this website owns stock in Nintendo and probably Google. It seems far too conspicuous.
You missed some news that would influence their decision... Sony went $2.9 billion into the red last year [http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21964]. That alone would disqualify it from BW's list; "best company" candidates have to be profitable as well as all the other stuff.misfit119 said:
-- Steve
Being a shareholder made me a lot of money; at this point they can make whatever games they want as far as I'm concerned.
I just wish they would expand. I would definitely buy a nintendo car; imagine that, if the thing breaks down you just have to blow under the hood and it runs fine.
I just wish they would expand. I would definitely buy a nintendo car; imagine that, if the thing breaks down you just have to blow under the hood and it runs fine.
I don't get what the problem is with Nintendo. I'm a hardcore gamer (I have all three systems and I'm head of my University gaming club) and I play the Wii just as much as the other 2 consoles. Sometimes more when I'm in the mood. To me gaming is like eating. Sometimes I prefer a heavier meal and sometimes I want something light and easy to digest. What we have before us is a venerable smorgasbord of gaming delights (no I'm not a fatty typing this). Something for every flavor. I argue that some definitions of hardcore might include the ability to enjoy a well made casual game. That at least represents some capacity for diversity. Even still I don't feel the Nintendo Wii is without its more challenging games. Yes, there is a lot of shovel-ware on the system, but the same was true for PS2 last generation...the console king of each generation will also be subject to that. Nintendo is a fine company and they make fun games. Let us not rail against them. Without Nintendo, video games would be a silly block ping-pong thing your parents used to do with their old tube TV in the 1970's. Ease up on the big N.
Thank you for doing the homework on this one so I wouldn't have to.
Anton P. Nym said:
Thank you for doing the homework on this one so I wouldn't have to.
I don't know the criteria for this, perhaps some of the complainers should write in and find out. As for me, I consider it a good thing that one of the "big three" console developers is ranked higher than any other company. Now that I've said things in a civil manner, it's time to hand out some verbal curbstomping.
And the Wii is overpriced? Really!? After being less-expensive than any other console this generation and getting a recent price cut? I posit your reasoning is so flawed that the only way it would work is in an alternate dimension.
As to everyone's "diversification" arguement. That's pretty strenuous. Looking at a list of games published by Nintendo, it seems that there have actually been less primary franchise titles published by them in recent years. Plus some of these people are probably the same ones that complained when Metroid went 3D and are now complaining again now that it's going back to its roots in a way, so why should we listen to that anyway.
But ultimately I think the real reason Nintendo got this, even over Google, is because they're not a bunch of evil dicks. Think about it. Despite their no-tolerance stance against emulation they have not sued anybody for that (unlike other companies). They also seem to have an excellent track record for support and reliability, they often fix things for free if they screw up, and ultimately they seem like they care. It also explains why Google is up there, and probably in second because of how shitty YouTube is nowadays. Course then we have Apple which is owned and run by an evil dick (albeit a profitable evil dick) so maybe I'm wrong about this. The point is that people really need to get the stick out of their butt and stop crying. I know you're upset that a company that doesn't cater to the fratboy is doing better than others, but you just have to learn that maybe, appealing to a wider audience just might be a good business model.
I'm sorry, what? What does this even mean? I thought people were complaining that all Nintendo does is put out Zelda, Mario, Metrod, Zelda, Mario, etc? Speaking of that...Pendragon9 said:
People who lie entertain me. If Nintendo "did not give a shit about their fans" and "preached to people who don't want to play games anyway" it'd be hard for them to have sold more Wiis than any other current-gen console right now. You're just mad that they're not following what you think is the best idea because you think you're such a shit-hot businessman.Woodsey said:
And the Wii is overpriced? Really!? After being less-expensive than any other console this generation and getting a recent price cut? I posit your reasoning is so flawed that the only way it would work is in an alternate dimension.
As to everyone's "diversification" arguement. That's pretty strenuous. Looking at a list of games published by Nintendo, it seems that there have actually been less primary franchise titles published by them in recent years. Plus some of these people are probably the same ones that complained when Metroid went 3D and are now complaining again now that it's going back to its roots in a way, so why should we listen to that anyway.
But ultimately I think the real reason Nintendo got this, even over Google, is because they're not a bunch of evil dicks. Think about it. Despite their no-tolerance stance against emulation they have not sued anybody for that (unlike other companies). They also seem to have an excellent track record for support and reliability, they often fix things for free if they screw up, and ultimately they seem like they care. It also explains why Google is up there, and probably in second because of how shitty YouTube is nowadays. Course then we have Apple which is owned and run by an evil dick (albeit a profitable evil dick) so maybe I'm wrong about this. The point is that people really need to get the stick out of their butt and stop crying. I know you're upset that a company that doesn't cater to the fratboy is doing better than others, but you just have to learn that maybe, appealing to a wider audience just might be a good business model.
Wow, the entire thread is Nintendo bashing. Great going guys. Makes me proud to be a member of such open minded and kindhearted individuals. I have to get to the second page before it starts looking more like a discussion and less like a bunch of kids calling each other poppy heads, and trying to claim dominion over the jungle gym.
Nintendo being on the list does not baffle me nearly as much as the 3rd spot for Apple does. Where is Samsung on the list as well. They currently hold the number one spot in consumer electronics. I need to find more on the criteria of this list, maybe that will explain it.
Nintendo being on the list does not baffle me nearly as much as the 3rd spot for Apple does. Where is Samsung on the list as well. They currently hold the number one spot in consumer electronics. I need to find more on the criteria of this list, maybe that will explain it.
Good for the big N, well deserved. Someone pointed out earlier in this thread how big it is for a gaming company to come along and win such a title and I couldn't agree more. Nintendo has come a long way, and they've done it all when video games are concerned, some epic fails, and some great successes, but they've undeniably opened up the gaming industry. I'm sure every one here is always eagerly expecting to see what Nintendo will come up with next (whether it's a game or a console... or any other craziness that occurs to them, knowing how they have to retain Miyamoto sometimes) even if you hate Nintendo. Hell even your standard control pad is STILL modeled after the SNES pad.
Deep breaths... deep deep breaths...AceDiamond said:
Yes the Wii is over priced. Relax, I didn't quote any source for this so it's a matter of opinion.
For what it is, it's a piece of (very) last-gen hardware with (often) poorly-implemented controls. Something which has now only been fixed fairly recently with an add-on that you have to buy. Now I know that there were a fair amount of people who bought a Wii with the impression that 1:1 interaction was already achievable. I read a lot of stuff about it before it was released (naturally, like others I was very interested in it) and at not point do I remember them saying that it sort of imitated your movements if you just swung any which-way.
This brings me to your (and now my) next point. The Wii's sales figures. Of course they were big!
"MOTION CONTROLZ?! IN GAMEZ?! WHOOP LIGHTSABRES! SWORD FIGTHING! BOWZ AND ARROWZ! BREAD SLICINGZ!! WHOOP WHOOP!" was pretty much everyone's reaction when they heard and subsequently bought the Wii. I know I did (without pronouncing Z at the end of everything). So yes, the sales were and are large.
But what are the re-sale figures like? I've seen threads about whether people kept their Wii, and a lot (a bloody lot) said they sold it on because there weren't any good games for it in their opinion. I don't know, and I couldn't give figures, and maybe those threads I saw were in the minority. But then, I've seen much fewer posts where people say they've kept their Wii (although admittedly people are more likely to talk about things they don't like).
And... Well... "people really need to get the stick out of their butt and stop crying"... really? We're crying are we? Because we don't agree with you? So our opposing opinions must mean that we're all whiny children? I do hope you read your own post back. Especially the last few lines.
And I don't think many people on here are 'fratboys' somehow (God I hate Americanisms). And why don't you learn that maybe it just might not be a good idea to piss off your core audience, who for the last 30 years have been providing your income? I see your point, but don't write off mine.
So I posit that your ability to see the other side of a debate is so non-existent it belongs in another dimension.
Sadly I have to agree; the first page of comments on this article shows why people look down on gamers as a group. There's precious little reasoning going on there, just unthinking boosterism (or guzzling of haterade) that makes us as a group look like a bunch of braying fanboys. Way to go, guys, for holding us down to our low reputations.manaman said:
Those looking for more reasons why Nintendo rose to the top should look at this Gamasutra article on the "Top 20 Publishers" [http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25506] said that Nintendo held "chart-topping scores in revenue and partner feedback, as well as strong reputation scores, allowing the company to once again stand at the top of the heap." I'm assuming that Business Week was looking at roughly the same data before coming to its conclusion.
-- Steve
Are Wii-owners (and lovers) not allowed to be called gamers?spuddyt said:
Nintendo made gaming what it is today by revolutionizing the whole industry.
They deserve the no. 1 spot on this list.
Funny how almost everybody immediately starts acting as childish fanboys by bashing the Wii. Even though this list is not at all about 'Which company makes the best video game console'. It's also notable that most people here have apperantly forgotten about the existence of the Nintendo DS.
If there was that ratio of Metroid:Mario/Zelda, I'd be far happier. Galaxy sucked, Sunshine was awesome.Amnestic said:
