Maybe they take this as hint to actually make something good instead of endless, pointless consoles.
Nintendo Records First-Ever Full Year Loss in 2011
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Do the gamecube controllers work with Wii games? I don't think so, but they need to change that. If Xbox and PS3 can have motion controls, Nintendo needs normal controllers to win me back (I've got a Wii. I take it to parties, but if I'm home gaming by myself, I'm on PC or another console.)Xanthious said:
The problem with Nintendo is they have been piggybacking off the same franchises since they first went into gaming and now in an age where 3rd party support is vital they are just being completely left behind.
I was gonna post this on this Bloomberg article... but they want me to use Discus..and... well... Discus can burn in hell.
(http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-27/nintendo-falls-after-net-forecast-lags-estimates-osaka-mover.html)
It was a bit expected that their sales this year would drop, not everyone is keen on spending large amounts of money on a mobile gaming console (160-250 on something only 1 person can play at a time).
Many people prefer the versatility, and battery life of their iTouch, iPhone, or droid device where they can pay 99 cents for a game that they'll enjoy for hours (some with some great replay value) as opposed to paying 160-250 for a mobile gaming console and 40-60 dollars for a 3DS game that they will most likely get bored of (unless it's one of the major ones: Mario Kart, Super Mario, etc.).
Then when they want to trade it in for another game it's got bloody all for trade-in value, the same goes for the Wii titles (a good example would be MadWorld, it sold for 60$ and now it sells for 5-7$ on shelves).
Other than the nostalgia aspect of it, the 3DS wasn't all that amazing. The 3D is bland and reminiscent of old 3D pictures on cereal boxes (and it gives plenty of people a massive headache after a few hours) and the game line-up was the same as the last one (the change in controls was a great idea though).
Then the price drop cut profits 60$ per unit, how could we not expect a loss on this one? It was a nice try, but I think they would of been better off leaving the 3D aspect out and leaving everything else in (maybe even the AR), it would of saved them on the retail price and maybe sales would have been higher.
I can see the Wii U succeeding and bringing up sales as long as it's got the right launch lineup (which I'm already guessing is going to be... Zelda, Mario, some other Mario game, and some Metroid game), and the right price to make it sell fast.
They should consider bringing in some titles from Japan. If they were to bring these games over they could not only boost sales, but boost the size and demographic of the Nintendo fan base.
It would just be nice for the current fans and new ones if the Japan titles were brought over.
On a side note... a credit card reader on the Wii-U..? Wouldn't it just be easier to create an account and link a credit card to it like on iTunes? That would save on the hardware and price that's for sure. Plus... I don't know about everyone else (and I don't mean to sound paranoid), but I would never be comfortable buying a used Wii U from someone (or retail website)... The reason being is I can already see the wrong CFW devs looking at ways to exploit this...
All the best to Nintendo, though. They've been pretty innovative, I'm sure this "new killer software" will definitely bring something new to the table. I hope.
(http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-27/nintendo-falls-after-net-forecast-lags-estimates-osaka-mover.html)
It was a bit expected that their sales this year would drop, not everyone is keen on spending large amounts of money on a mobile gaming console (160-250 on something only 1 person can play at a time).
Many people prefer the versatility, and battery life of their iTouch, iPhone, or droid device where they can pay 99 cents for a game that they'll enjoy for hours (some with some great replay value) as opposed to paying 160-250 for a mobile gaming console and 40-60 dollars for a 3DS game that they will most likely get bored of (unless it's one of the major ones: Mario Kart, Super Mario, etc.).
Then when they want to trade it in for another game it's got bloody all for trade-in value, the same goes for the Wii titles (a good example would be MadWorld, it sold for 60$ and now it sells for 5-7$ on shelves).
Other than the nostalgia aspect of it, the 3DS wasn't all that amazing. The 3D is bland and reminiscent of old 3D pictures on cereal boxes (and it gives plenty of people a massive headache after a few hours) and the game line-up was the same as the last one (the change in controls was a great idea though).
Then the price drop cut profits 60$ per unit, how could we not expect a loss on this one? It was a nice try, but I think they would of been better off leaving the 3D aspect out and leaving everything else in (maybe even the AR), it would of saved them on the retail price and maybe sales would have been higher.
I can see the Wii U succeeding and bringing up sales as long as it's got the right launch lineup (which I'm already guessing is going to be... Zelda, Mario, some other Mario game, and some Metroid game), and the right price to make it sell fast.
They should consider bringing in some titles from Japan. If they were to bring these games over they could not only boost sales, but boost the size and demographic of the Nintendo fan base.
It would just be nice for the current fans and new ones if the Japan titles were brought over.
On a side note... a credit card reader on the Wii-U..? Wouldn't it just be easier to create an account and link a credit card to it like on iTunes? That would save on the hardware and price that's for sure. Plus... I don't know about everyone else (and I don't mean to sound paranoid), but I would never be comfortable buying a used Wii U from someone (or retail website)... The reason being is I can already see the wrong CFW devs looking at ways to exploit this...
All the best to Nintendo, though. They've been pretty innovative, I'm sure this "new killer software" will definitely bring something new to the table. I hope.
I'm really surprised this is Nintendo's first EVER full year loss? I would have imagined they would be suffering greatly during the GameCube days!
They're leaving their future entirely up to the 3DS and Wii-U?
Goodbye, Nintendo. It's been fun.
Goodbye, Nintendo. It's been fun.
The 3DS isn't doing too shabby, really, it's certainly crushing it's nearest competitor, the ps vita, and it's posting decent figures. I don't know what the average number for a console is, but 13.7 million in a year seems like quite a lot. I'm sure Nintendo will get some money out of it. Obiously we don't know what will happen with the Wii U...JasonKaotic said:
Nintendo make's its first ever loss and que the mass of the end is nigh comments.
Sony made 6.5 BILLION dollar loss in 2011, MS made a loss $229 million in the first quarter 2012, hell even Zynga who've had a license to print money with there social games made a loss $85 million.
So maybe a little perspective would be useful, its a bad time to do busines and nintendo seem to be doing alright inspite of the strength of the Yen caused by tsunami and the pretty miserable global financial climate
Sony made 6.5 BILLION dollar loss in 2011, MS made a loss $229 million in the first quarter 2012, hell even Zynga who've had a license to print money with there social games made a loss $85 million.
So maybe a little perspective would be useful, its a bad time to do busines and nintendo seem to be doing alright inspite of the strength of the Yen caused by tsunami and the pretty miserable global financial climate
Nintendo has just lost gobs of money. What a coincidence! They also just abandoned their core audience! Now, I wonder why this had to happen, ehh?
This is also why they could really use RareWare, again. Only, now, they're in even less of a position to get them back.
This is also why they could really use RareWare, again. Only, now, they're in even less of a position to get them back.
The 3DS wasn't selling well come Christmas?
WHAT A SURPRISE!
I can't begin to imagine why? Could it be the incredibly weak library?
Apart from Capcom, there isn't much GOOD third-party backing for original 3DS titles; everything is a remake, a port, or more Mario.
Skyward Sword has had absolutely no staying power and that was basically the death gasp of the Wii. Part of me is disappointed, and part of me just says "Good riddance."
Of course, there's the upcoming Wii-U, which promises to make me groan some more about wonky, useless motion controls and yet more Nintendo Trinity. I gave them the benefit of the doubt before, but it's getting kind of tiring now to even see the name "Mario" on something.
WHAT A SURPRISE!
I can't begin to imagine why? Could it be the incredibly weak library?
Apart from Capcom, there isn't much GOOD third-party backing for original 3DS titles; everything is a remake, a port, or more Mario.
Skyward Sword has had absolutely no staying power and that was basically the death gasp of the Wii. Part of me is disappointed, and part of me just says "Good riddance."
Of course, there's the upcoming Wii-U, which promises to make me groan some more about wonky, useless motion controls and yet more Nintendo Trinity. I gave them the benefit of the doubt before, but it's getting kind of tiring now to even see the name "Mario" on something.
Eh, not a big deal. They've raked in more money than Microsoft and Sony have with video games consoles. They're not doing bad, at all.
It is sad, but I'm not worried about them. I hope they do better.
Please tell me you're not saying what I'm worried you might be saying.
It is sad, but I'm not worried about them. I hope they do better.
Wait, what?CardinalPiggles said:
Please tell me you're not saying what I'm worried you might be saying.
Sony's Playstation Vita an embarrassing failure, costs Sony untold billions-Feh, they'll be fine
Nintendo reports 500 mil loss-THEY'RE DOOMED!! THEIR ONLY HOPE IS FOR APPLE TO BUY THEM!!!1!
Nintendo reports 500 mil loss-THEY'RE DOOMED!! THEIR ONLY HOPE IS FOR APPLE TO BUY THEM!!!1!
This reminds me of an old saying. "If you want victory, but prepare for defeat, you get what you prepared for."Baresark said:
Possibly related to that saying; "If you want peace, prepare for war."
That all said, I think they'll be alright.
I'm not going to argue that that is objectively wrong since the sensation of 3D illusions is unique to each person.euro2019 said:
However, in my extensive year + of 3DS playtime, I've found the 3D effect on the 3DS to be as "real" as any 3D HD TV or 3D cinema film I've ever seen, and it causes me no sensations of illness or discomfort at all as long as I actually adjust the slider to suit the specific game, since some games are more "intense" than others.
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Why are people falling back on that lazy old "Nintendo abandoned their core audience!" talking point when the overwhelming majority of what they published for Wii, DS, and especially 3DS was directed toward the very demographic that was playing and enjoying Nintendo prior to their audience expansion campaign?
Clearly someone hasn't seen the "Wii" wall at the local brick&mortar shop lately... the next time you go, check out how many poor third-party titles or just plain shovelware shlock there is on that system. The "overwhelming majority" is not Nintendo-developed, and the few third-party developers that did stick around for that system had a hell of a time trying to work with it.SuperTrainStationH said:
Hell, the only decent third-party title I can really think of off the top of my head is No More Heroes, and lets be honest, that's a pretty niche title to begin with. Wait, okay, Xenogears/Last Story/Pandora's Tower, Monster Hunter Tri, and Sonic Colors.
And what are the Nintendo-developed titles that have been released in the last few years? Mario, Mario, Mario Kart, Metroid (okay, they outsourced Other M, which for how it turned out probably makes it even worse), Zelda, Zelda, Kirby, Kirby, Kid Icarus, Pokemon, Pokemon 2 (I can not stress how stupid Black and White 2 is), Donkey Kong, Zelda and Starfox direct ports of old games to a new system...
Shockingly, I actually quite like Nintendo. They're one of the few large companies in the industry who don't actively try to screw their customers. But to say nothing of the quality of their games, they simply refuse to move on. Kirby's Epic Yarn had no reason to be a Kirby game. In fact, if it weren't for Nintendo's meddling, it wouldn't have been. Nintendo is too caught up in its own franchises. Who the hell owns a 3DS and still remembers Kid Icarus? Mario Galaxy 2 had no reason to exist either, and even fans of the series say that Skyward Sword is bland and boring. Yeah, it's not really any different than what the other big companies are doing, but the difference is that comparatively, the 360/PS3/PC have a large number of third-party games that are decent, good, or even excellent to fill in the rest of the gaps. The Wii-U might help this particular issue if it really has better third-party support, but I'll take that with a grain of salt.
I wasn't arguing that 3rd parties didn't release shovelware cash-ins on the Wii, I was responding to the claim that NINTENDO "abandoned their core audience" with the Wii when in terms of what they actually published, about four "traditional" or "hardcore" games were released for every game aimed at the Wii Sports/Wii Fit grandmas and the casual newcomers.shrekfan246 said:
Why is it stupid? Is Nintendo not allowed to make a direct sequel to a game which was clearly written to have its story continued? Everything I've seen of Black/White 2 looks pretty fun to me.shrekfan246 said:
Nintendo meddling? With their own game? Yeah, sure.shrekfan246 said:
Even if it early in DEVELOPMENT it wasn't initially imagined to be a Kirby game, is it really outrageously inappropriate for them to have made the decisions they made considering that Kirby had been depicted in the exact style used in Epic Yarn as early as the NES days, as seen in this commercial? http://youtu.be/D-8db508yrE
I don't even own or plan to own Kibry's Epic Yarn, so I really don't have a dog in this fight, just something I'd like to point out.
Who the hell owns a 3DS or Wii and remembers the original launch of Super Mario Bros on the NES? Surely a rather small minority compared to the number of people who buy Mario games on those systems today.shrekfan246 said:
That being said, gamers had been BEGGING Nintendo to bring back Kid Icarus for YEARS prior to the announcement of Uprising, so why should Nintendo actually listening to their fans count as a strike AGAINST them one of the few times they directly respond to their customers like this?
I guess being generally considered a fun, well crafted game that brings millions of gamers enjoyment isn't enough reason for a game to exist anymore.shrekfan246 said:
Zelda fans love/hate/despise/argue over specific Zelda games in the same way console fans will flame each other over which console is better. The fact that some Zelda fans didn't like Skyward Sword doesn't prove that it's a bad game or shouldn't have been made.shrekfan246 said:
I'm really skeptical about the Wii U. I haven't followed it closely, but from the looks of it it's a Wii with a tablet attached to it. Intuitively I want to argue that this seems like an arbitrary development considering we have that kind of touch screen gaming already available to us. Then again, people are still buying a new iphone two to three times a year. I may not understand it, but businesses are making money off it.
I don't think we can draw any big conclusions from their loss but I kind of hope that they fall into further losses. Not out of spite but because my Wii is dusty. I bought it for a few good exclusives (gamecube titles too) and haven't got much out of it beyond them. With so little games that I can thoroughly engage with and enjoy the Wii doesn't feel like it was worth the money I spent to buy it (That and its weird control scheme proved to be more of a hindrance in a lot of games than a benefit). I certainly won't be buying the Wii U because of my negative experience with the Wii. Personally, I'd prefer it if they went the way of Sega, releasing games for other consoles rather than having their own, which is a change that I think can only come about if home consoles prove financially unfriendly to them.
I see no reason why they shouldn't continue handheld console making... well aside from the fact that the 3DS makes me dizzy (Which 3D TVs and films oddly do not)
I don't think we can draw any big conclusions from their loss but I kind of hope that they fall into further losses. Not out of spite but because my Wii is dusty. I bought it for a few good exclusives (gamecube titles too) and haven't got much out of it beyond them. With so little games that I can thoroughly engage with and enjoy the Wii doesn't feel like it was worth the money I spent to buy it (That and its weird control scheme proved to be more of a hindrance in a lot of games than a benefit). I certainly won't be buying the Wii U because of my negative experience with the Wii. Personally, I'd prefer it if they went the way of Sega, releasing games for other consoles rather than having their own, which is a change that I think can only come about if home consoles prove financially unfriendly to them.
I see no reason why they shouldn't continue handheld console making... well aside from the fact that the 3DS makes me dizzy (Which 3D TVs and films oddly do not)
Pretty much this. Whilst I've just bought a 3DS, I'm struggling to find a single game worth buying. It's just the same thing, over and over.Xanthious said:
Nintendo consistantly rely on their masco and old franchises to keep them above water, but their golden goose may not be able to keep laying the golden eggs forever.
Sometimes I feel like people buy Nintendo systems, overlook anything that's not a major first or second party Nintendo staple, and then complain that the game selection and third party support are poor.