That was what they said initially anyway. It just got drowned out by the boycott mobs.Andy Shandy said:
Nintendo Says No To Same Sex Relationships For Tomodachi Miis
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I would say yesterday's statement was more of a blanket "Your feedback is very important to us" statement.Dragonbums said:
Today's is more of an explicit statement of intent to fix their mistake in any future games.
Agreed. Assuming that Nintendo sticks by their statement (which I have no reason to suspect they won't), then everybody wins.xaszatm said:
That was essentially my point. Their own policy of non-offense has put them in a catch-22 situation.Requia said:
They kinda did.McMarbles said:
Paraphrasing. They said they didn't plan same sex relationships in the game and they can't add them now but they will keep listening for fan feedback.
The problem is that, as always, SJW completely ignored everything and just used parts of what Nintendo said, even lies to spread their agenda.
Which shouldn't of been necessary to begin with. But I supposed unless you make it stupid proof and spell it out in big bold black letters people won't fucking get it or jump up on the opportunity to make wild baseless assumptions about a political position the company had no intention of making.Andy Shandy said:
There was never a battle between Miiquality and Nintendo. Never. It was a reasonable request with a reasonable answer from Nintendo. Everyone else made it out to be a bigger deal than what it really was.xaszatm said:
Good on Nintendo for standing up to what's right, if you let that go just think of the sort of things that could be next! I mean before long will you be able to romance and marry your Mabari war hound in Dragon Age?
That broad chest, those powerful & sleek rippling muscles, the smooth skin... won't somebody please think of the children!
That broad chest, those powerful & sleek rippling muscles, the smooth skin... won't somebody please think of the children!
I think that's fair enough. Nintendo is the developer and if they don't want same-sex relationships in their game then that is their decision.
Homosexuals (or those who wanted to play a homosexual fantasy) are free to not buy the game.
Homosexuals (or those who wanted to play a homosexual fantasy) are free to not buy the game.
Yeah, we should just stay silent and let companies openly discriminate based on whatever they deem appropriate. Oh, wait, didn't we try that once?Kumagawa Misogi said:
Well, they responded with a well reasoned, well thought out statement that addresses the issue and shows that they are open to the option of Same Sex couples in future installments, if there is any. Which is exactly what the equally reasonable and well thought out Miiquality video wanted in the first place.Andy Shandy said:
No news there, of course everybody is free to be as discriminatory as they want. Is it good though?Aaron Sylvester said:
eh this deserves to be here, #Miiquality's statement
"#Miiquality has succeeded in its primary goal?to bring the issue to Nintendo?s attention in hopes that future iterations of Tomodachi Life will support same-sex relationships. Despite its relationship limitations, please consider purchasing Tomodachi Life to support the development of future, more inclusive Tomodachi titles, as Nintendo has promised. miiquality will continue to bring attention to Tomodachi Life and subsequent titles, and act as a hub for LGBTQIA Nintendo fans as well. We hope that the success of Miiquality will continue to influence the video game industry and raise awareness of other equality issues in video games and other media, and in general. Thank you all who have supported Miiquality and helped spread the word. Without your efforts, this movement couldn?t have been a success."
So ya good on This being a success despite mostly everyone getting the new story wrong lol. But good is good and hopefully enough people buy it to warrant more games, or at least see this as a big push for more games.
"#Miiquality has succeeded in its primary goal?to bring the issue to Nintendo?s attention in hopes that future iterations of Tomodachi Life will support same-sex relationships. Despite its relationship limitations, please consider purchasing Tomodachi Life to support the development of future, more inclusive Tomodachi titles, as Nintendo has promised. miiquality will continue to bring attention to Tomodachi Life and subsequent titles, and act as a hub for LGBTQIA Nintendo fans as well. We hope that the success of Miiquality will continue to influence the video game industry and raise awareness of other equality issues in video games and other media, and in general. Thank you all who have supported Miiquality and helped spread the word. Without your efforts, this movement couldn?t have been a success."
So ya good on This being a success despite mostly everyone getting the new story wrong lol. But good is good and hopefully enough people buy it to warrant more games, or at least see this as a big push for more games.
no they are not. they have fixed a bug in which the characters have lost their "sex" code and the game didnt knew what "Sex" they were meaning they would treat these characters with every possibility. what is missing in this article and many people shouting about it is that this bug was a gamebreaking to the point where no progress was possible after it was introduced. they fixed a massive game bug that had accidental consequence of ability to marry a character to anyone since game treated it as "unknown sex". this isnt social commentary. this is game patching 101.Lieju said:
Artists should be able to create what they want without being criticized for not catering to everyone's wishes and wants. We live in an era of over-reactions where people can get offended by a glass of water.Johnny Novgorod said:
A game that doesn't have same-sex relationships available isn't necessarily homophobic, a game that has a male protagonist instead of a female one isn't necessarily sexist, a game that has the African-american character die first isn't necessarily racist, a game that has females flouting around wearing skimpy clothes isn't necessarily misogynist.
If Nintendo have gone out of their way saying "NO, HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS ARE WRONG" then people would have a reason to get offended, but all I'm seeing here is over-reactions and assumptions. Here's a prime example:
...sigh.Lieju said:
Ultimately we are talking about videogame with fictional characters, so when people start saying "why don't those fictional videogame characters behave the way I want them to?", I find it a little hard to take them seriously.
If people want to criticize and make a fuss over something like this then they can go right ahead. But if I was in Nintendo's shoes (or really any developer) I would never bend over backwards trying to make everyone happy. I would create what I intend to create and people can judge the final product how they see fit.
I know this, but what does that bug has to do with what I said?Strazdas said:
They made the decision from the very start to make a game where relationships are the focus. They also made the choice not to include homosexual relationships.
I can see why they patched the accidental bug away, it has nothing to do with the fact that they decided to take a stance on the matter just by excluding homosexuals from their 'quirky little world' to begin with.
you said that Nintendo is providing social commentary, when in fact they are not doing anything of the sort but are actually fixing a gamebreaking bug that corrupts your saves and i even heard can damage your device.Lieju said:
what relationships the game allows or does not allow is not a statement in any way, its a game setup. unless you considering pretty much every game out there as a statement, which is silly. Marriage in nontraditional way is actually quite damn hard from a database engineering perspective because you need to pretty much raise the size of database 8 times to be able to flag things correctly, and thats a lot of work. a lot of extra work developer didnt bother with.
no, by not having homosexual relationship in your game you are not taking a stance against homosexuals. all you do is make incomplete game.
The idea that because it's Japan we should forgive Nintendo for this is just absurd. First off, Nintendo have shown willingness to change games in the past, see Bravely Default where they changed some of the costumes and removed a lot of the sexual jokes in the game. So Nintendo has no excuse for not localising features in one of their games for a, "wider audience".
Second comes the fact - Japan doesn't really a country all that big into the whole homophobia thing. I'll admit right now I don't live in the country, but in Japanese games and media you see homosexual characters all the time, most of whom are edited out for western release. Heck just do a bit of research and you'll find even hundreds of years ago in the Dark Ages homosexuality was not nearly as condemned there it is here in the west. This is not a case of Japan being a homophobic country, this is the case of Nintendo trying to appeal to the widest audience and getting what they deserve for it.
Second comes the fact - Japan doesn't really a country all that big into the whole homophobia thing. I'll admit right now I don't live in the country, but in Japanese games and media you see homosexual characters all the time, most of whom are edited out for western release. Heck just do a bit of research and you'll find even hundreds of years ago in the Dark Ages homosexuality was not nearly as condemned there it is here in the west. This is not a case of Japan being a homophobic country, this is the case of Nintendo trying to appeal to the widest audience and getting what they deserve for it.