Nintendo Says You're Playing Kid Icarus: Uprising Wrong

[DirgeNovak]

this is exactly why the japanese games industry is having troubles. japan has a very maker-consumer business culture with a big fat wall between them, and japanese developers just don't know how to use criticism, hell they don't know how to RECEIVE criticism.

To be fair, western developers don't know how to receive criticism either. Remember Cliff Bleszinski crying about 8/10 reviews for GeoW 3? Or Jonathan Blow complaining about perfect scores for Braid because the reviewer didn't love the game for "the right reasons"? That shit's gotta be worse.

 

[Pandaman1911]

Is this the biggest dev yet to pull the "You're playing it wrong" line?

I think so. This is sort of the developer equivalent of "NO YOU" in response to criticism, isn't it?

 

[Formica Archonis]

Game's creator thinks players should just relax.

I can't, my hand's too sore.

Sakurai also stated that offering multiple control schemes would more than likely unbalance its' multiplayer, as the 3DS' stylus allows players to aim more quickly than using a circle pad.

Or alternately everyone switches over to the other scheme en masse (probably what would've happened) and we're all happy. Or some people are willing to trade the performance for comfort because they don't want to be sore after playing a game. That is the most BS excuse I've ever heard. Why have 3D? People with one eye will be at a disadvantage. Why have a screen less than 18 inches? People with poor vision will be at a disadvantage.

Oh, wait, I know one group at a disadvantage: LEFTIES. Retro Gamer's praise-packed review stopped for a paragraph to specifically complain about the controls, especially how they were even worse for people who are left-handed, and questioning why they weren't more configurable.

So not only is their comment on balance a crock, the built-in scheme unbalances the game for 10% of the population.

 

[Covarr]

It wasn't a problem in Metroid Prime: Hunters. Why is it suddenly a problem now?

P.S. Thanks

 

[Electrogecko]

Wow.

I wasn't expecting the reaction to be so.....yeah.

I can tell you it's true that many people with discomfort are most likely using too much force, and we shouldn't freak out because they tell us that. It's easy to tense up while typing or playing the guitar or drums, but we don't take offense when Mavis Beacon tells us how to properly type....

On the other hand, the fact that it is so easy for your hand to tense up while playing is a telling fact.

I'm not sure I exactly disagree with anything Sakurai's quoted as saying here.

 

[KeyMaster45]

Dude, you had to include a stand for the gameboy to sit on so the user can actually use your jacked up control scheme. You fucked up, admit it and resolve to do better next time. Don't come to us and say we're playing it wrong, that only reinforces the fact that you fucked up.

 

[Epona]

Wow.

I wasn't expecting the reaction to be so.....yeah.

I can tell you it's true that many people with discomfort are most likely using too much force, and we shouldn't freak out because they tell us that. It's easy to tense up while typing or playing the guitar or drums, but we don't take offense when Mavis Beacon tells us how to properly type....

As Jim said, we have been playing games for 20-30 years. We KNOW how to play a game by now. When we are learning to type, we don't know how. You don't take typing lessons after you learn it.

 

[Doclector]

Remind me, who were the last people to do that stuff? I can't remember, they either said "you're playing it wrong!" or "you just suck at it". Either way, and whoever it was, it was physically painful to read, just as this is.

 

[Epona]

It wasn't a problem in Metroid Prime: Hunters for me. Why is it suddenly a problem now?

P.S. Thanks

Fixed that for ya. I see from your PS that you saw it coming too, you're welcome.

 

[Epona]

Remind me, who were the last people to do that stuff? I can't remember, they either said "you're playing it wrong!" or "you just suck at it". Either way, and whoever it was, it was physically painful to read, just as this is.

Was it Nintendo in reference to Skyward Sword?

 

[Doclector]

Remind me, who were the last people to do that stuff? I can't remember, they either said "you're playing it wrong!" or "you just suck at it". Either way, and whoever it was, it was physically painful to read, just as this is.

Was it Nintendo in reference to Skyward Sword?

Hmm. I don't remember it being that...was it duke nukem forever? I coulda sworn it was more recent, though...

 

[Worgen]

I love the game but it really needs a mouse and keyboard.

 

[Baresark]

I am a Nintendo fan, but that was just fucked up. Those controls are horrible. They shouldn't have made a handheld game that requires you to sit in a stationary place to play it. I love the excuse. I have to say, he also hurts the overall image of the 3DS by saying they pushed it to the limits. Someone needs to get a lesson what is good and bad PR. I don't know why it's easier to make all of these excuses that to say we fucked up. It looks better if you admit you're wrong than to defend an indefensible position.

Wow.

I wasn't expecting the reaction to be so.....yeah.

I can tell you it's true that many people with discomfort are most likely using too much force, and we shouldn't freak out because they tell us that. It's easy to tense up while typing or playing the guitar or drums, but we don't take offense when Mavis Beacon tells us how to properly type....

On the other hand, the fact that it is so easy for your hand to tense up while playing is a telling fact.

I'm not sure I exactly disagree with anything Sakurai's quoted as saying here.

I don't think people are freaking out about their advice, I think they are freaking out that the controls are so horrendous and it is then put on the players. We are mad that we are all wrong because he doesn't want to admit that maybe they could have done a better job. I'm over it personally. I get it, they ripped me off. It's just a damn shame because the game was actually good, but the controls make me not want to play it. I even have several third party controller type holders and it helps a little, but it doesn't make up for the fact that it wouldn't have been impossible for them to make a couple of different control schemes. Really, they did the controls scheme that would work with the circle pad pro, but they refuse to use the circle pad for it. There is an option to use the 4 face buttons to move the reticle (my browser won't ever acknowledge that is a word), yet it was impossible for them to use the circle pad pro for it... it just defies reason how much guys like this will duck responsibility for something as stupid as this.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

Be like the calm breeze grasshopper, you must discover the flow.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

.........I haven't PLAYED uprising yet, but honestly....I think that nintendo dropped the ball there. From what I've heard from even friends who played the game, the controls are super annoying. It IS nintendo's fault that people are "playing it wrong". :s

This is relevant:
If we're not playing properly, it's your own damn fault, Sakurai-san.

While I GENERALLY agree with that outlook most of the time (and very much so in Uprising's case)...

Jim ACTUALLY DID play Vanquish totally wrong, and it's NOT the developer's fault...

The game penalizes you for staying in cover and being slow, and Jim ended up just playing that game like it was Gears of war, apparently.

Jim couldn't figure out how to properly use the suit's powers without overheating all the time and getting killed, so he just stopped using the suit's abilities.....And using them is the whole point of the game...

 

[Beautiful End]

You know, this whole "It's YOUR fault, you dummy!" excuse developers are pulling out of their asses is getting pretty annoying. At first I thought maybe it was our fault, but after hearing this one too many times, I'm starting to think otherwise. The most notorious one still is Capcom's "MML3 got cancelled because of you. You should feel horrible and proceed to jump off a cliff" argument.

Maybe if everyone is complaining about the controllers it means the controllers *GASP* don't work well? I mean, if it was just one lonesome person complaining, then yea, you're right. He/she is probably playing it wrong. But when almost everyone who has played it starts complaining, then you got a problem.

Remind me, who were the last people to do that stuff? I can't remember, they either said "you're playing it wrong!" or "you just suck at it". Either way, and whoever it was, it was physically painful to read, just as this is.

Was it Nintendo in reference to Skyward Sword?

Hmm. I don't remember it being that...was it duke nukem forever? I coulda sworn it was more recent, though...

Oh, I got that one! It was Amy, wasn't it?

EDIT: Damn, ninja'd.