Nintendo Switch....DOA

[votemarvel]

I'm actually keen to see what the modding community can pull off with the Switch. Imagine a system that could, well no better word, switch seamlessly between Nintendo's OS, Windows, and Android.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I'm sure the 500 units they shipped worldwide for the pre-orders will sell out Day 1. Then Nintendo can say that their consoles sold out on Day 1.

I think that the launch won't be as successful as they hoped, and it will only continue to drop off until they get decent 3rd party (current) games on the system.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

Things clueless console gamers say:

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

And seriously, paywalls behind consoles aren't new.

Anyway, the ~400 dollar price tag is ridiculous, combine that with a online subscription fee makes it very ridiculous. The consoles specs are worse than consoles released over 3 years ago and yet it's +100 dollar more expensive. Yeah no thanks.

 

[aeroblaster]

I don't understand why this "console power" argument still persists.

You should only buy a Nintendo console if you like their first party games. Expecting anything else is pure ignorance on your part. Even Nintendo themselves have fully admitted it's just a mario/zelda/etc franchise exclusivity machine. If you want to play non-Nintendo games, buy a non-Nintendo console rather than complaining the Wii/Wii U/Switch doesn't have the games you want.

Xbox and PlayStation are in a completely different arms-race, and you see the "pro" versions of their consoles as a band-aid solution to console power quickly getting outdated in comparison to PC gaming.

People used to call Nintendo/Xbox/PlayStation the "big three" but that no longer exists.

Nintendo completely dominates the portable market, nothing else even comes close. The 3DS is Nintendo's hidden console that prints money.

Meanwhile Xbox and PlayStation fight each other while also trying to remain relevant with the looming threat of PC making them obsolete.

Nintendo is going to be successful because they no longer compete with the "big three" and just make millions dominating their portable niche. The Switch is going to be one of the most successful consoles in history, you heard it here first.

 

[Yoshi178]

The Switch is going to be one of the most successful consoles in history, you heard it here first.

i don't know about that, but the Switch should definitely end up doing much better than the Wii U did for sure.

apparently it's already sold its first Global shipment of 2 million consoles to support that

 

[Fox12]

Okay, but is that the only thing it has over the PS4 and Xbox One? Because I'll be honest, I can live without that. I don't take that many car (or other transportation) rides, and certainly not ones that last long enough for me to wanna pull out a gaming device.

It's a home console on the go, but it's still a home console and is being marketed as such. And when compared to the competion in the same field it falls very short.

Ever think that maybe this console isn't being marketed to you?

Me neither, but if I have to buy a new one because my old one broke down I know I won't have to pay 80 dollars for it. And this is just me making a wild guess, but the reaction of the average consumer that doesn't know or care about the tech that's inside the joycon is going to look at that 50 dollar price tag for a little, plastic looking toy and laugh.

Eh, decent chance you'll still be able to play whatever game with just one joycon.

Far as the price goes, a PS4 controller still costs the same as a AAA title, and the joycon pack is like buying two wiimotes, so...

*shrug* Guess I don't see the problem. If anything, I could claim the Switch supports two player local co-op out if the box for most titles.

Well, who is it being marketed too? People who like to pay more money for a less powerful console that has a smaller library of games? It's too expensive and low power to be a worthwhile home gaming console, and it's battery life is too short to be a worthwhile handheld. Not to mention how cumbersome it is. It has the weaknesses of both handhelds and consoles and the strengths of neither. So what's the point?

I'm struggling to see what demographic this is apparently being marketed to, other then the hard core Nintendo fans. I suspect that, as a result, it will fail to find an audience and fail. But only time can tell.

 

[RaikuFA]

Things clueless console gamers say:

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

And seriously, paywalls behind consoles aren't new.

Anyway, the ~400 dollar price tag is ridiculous, combine that with a online subscription fee makes it very ridiculous. The consoles specs are worse than consoles released over 3 years ago and yet it's +100 dollar more expensive. Yeah no thanks.

I used to be a PC gamer. Had to quit when my PC broke and I was told to "figure it out myself".

Either way the paid online is stupid(doubly so if the only plus is renting a ROM a month) and I was more pointing out to PS/XB owners that are saying Nintendo is stupid for paid online are living in glass houses.

 

[Fox12]

Well, who is it being marketed too? People who like to pay more money for a less powerful console that has a smaller library of games? It's too expensive and low power to be a worthwhile home gaming console, and it's battery life is too short to be a worthwhile handheld. Not to mention how cumbersome it is. It has the weaknesses of both handhelds and consoles and the strengths of neither. So what's the point?

I'm struggling to see what demographic this is apparently being marketed to, other then the hard core Nintendo fans. I suspect that, as a result, it will fail to find an audience and fail. But only time can tell.

People who play Nintendo games and people who want to play a new Xenoblade game (where is X2?!).

So the same audience as the WiiU? We've already seen how well that played out.

People can't just deflect valid criticism by saying the game "isn't marketed to you." That's a non-argument.

 

[Cold Shiny]

Well, who is it being marketed too? People who like to pay more money for a less powerful console that has a smaller library of games? It's too expensive and low power to be a worthwhile home gaming console, and it's battery life is too short to be a worthwhile handheld. Not to mention how cumbersome it is. It has the weaknesses of both handhelds and consoles and the strengths of neither. So what's the point?

I'm struggling to see what demographic this is apparently being marketed to, other then the hard core Nintendo fans. I suspect that, as a result, it will fail to find an audience and fail. But only time can tell.

People who play Nintendo games and people who want to play a new Xenoblade game (where is X2?!).

So the same audience as the WiiU? We've already seen how well that played out.

People can't just deflect valid criticism by saying the game "isn't marketed to you." That's a non-argument.

It is a good argument though. A console that was marketed towards "everyone in existence" would be the perfect console, and the most perfect piece of technology ever actually. Companies have to choose who they want to appeal to, because they can't have everyone. Nintendo, obviously, is not marketing towards the tech savvy, power hungry, GRAFAX obsessed PC crowd. They just aren't. They are marketing towards Japan. The Switch was designed for Japan, as much as people here might hate that.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

I don't understand why this "console power" argument still persists.

You should only buy a Nintendo console if you like their first party games. Expecting anything else is pure ignorance on your part. Even Nintendo themselves have fully admitted it's just a mario/zelda/etc franchise exclusivity machine. If you want to play non-Nintendo games, buy a non-Nintendo console rather than complaining the Wii/Wii U/Switch doesn't have the games you want.

Xbox and PlayStation are in a completely different arms-race, and you see the "pro" versions of their consoles as a band-aid solution to console power quickly getting outdated in comparison to PC gaming.

People used to call Nintendo/Xbox/PlayStation the "big three" but that no longer exists.

Nintendo completely dominates the portable market, nothing else even comes close. The 3DS is Nintendo's hidden console that prints money.

Meanwhile Xbox and PlayStation fight each other while also trying to remain relevant with the looming threat of PC making them obsolete.

Nintendo is going to be successful because they no longer compete with the "big three" and just make millions dominating their portable niche. The Switch is going to be one of the most successful consoles in history, you heard it here first.

It's not as much about the components power as it is about the price for me. I can't justify it for myself, components worse than the components in consoles released over 3 years ago yet it's +100$ dollar more expensive. It's why I rarely bought games for my Wii, they cost about the same as new 360/PS3 games but they looked worse and relied almost exclusively on gameplay. So why did they cost so much when they were cheaper to produce? That's how I feel about the Switch and probably its games too.

I used to be a PC gamer. Had to quit when my PC broke and I was told to "figure it out myself".

Well that is the easiest and cheapest way if you're knowledgeable but you could've just taken it to a shop and let them troubleshoot it for a small fee.

 

[Fox12]

Well, who is it being marketed too? People who like to pay more money for a less powerful console that has a smaller library of games? It's too expensive and low power to be a worthwhile home gaming console, and it's battery life is too short to be a worthwhile handheld. Not to mention how cumbersome it is. It has the weaknesses of both handhelds and consoles and the strengths of neither. So what's the point?

I'm struggling to see what demographic this is apparently being marketed to, other then the hard core Nintendo fans. I suspect that, as a result, it will fail to find an audience and fail. But only time can tell.

People who play Nintendo games and people who want to play a new Xenoblade game (where is X2?!).

So the same audience as the WiiU? We've already seen how well that played out.

People can't just deflect valid criticism by saying the game "isn't marketed to you." That's a non-argument.

It is a good argument though. A console that was marketed towards "everyone in existence" would be the perfect console, and the most perfect piece of technology ever actually. Companies have to choose who they want to appeal to, because they can't have everyone. Nintendo, obviously, is not marketing towards the tech savvy, power hungry, GRAFAX obsessed PC crowd. They just aren't. They are marketing towards Japan. The Switch was designed for Japan, as much as people here might hate that.

Then why is it so large and cumbersome compared to a 3DS, and why does it have a terrible battery life? Are Japanese businessmen really supposed to pull this out on a crowded train to work, and keep it on their person during the day? Saying "it's not marketed to you" fails to address any of the actual criticisms being made. Therefore it's a non-argument.

 

[Fonejackerjon]

Well, who is it being marketed too? People who like to pay more money for a less powerful console that has a smaller library of games? It's too expensive and low power to be a worthwhile home gaming console, and it's battery life is too short to be a worthwhile handheld. Not to mention how cumbersome it is. It has the weaknesses of both handhelds and consoles and the strengths of neither. So what's the point?

I'm struggling to see what demographic this is apparently being marketed to, other then the hard core Nintendo fans. I suspect that, as a result, it will fail to find an audience and fail. But only time can tell.

People who play Nintendo games and people who want to play a new Xenoblade game (where is X2?!).

So the same audience as the WiiU? We've already seen how well that played out.

People can't just deflect valid criticism by saying the game "isn't marketed to you." That's a non-argument.

It is a good argument though. A console that was marketed towards "everyone in existence" would be the perfect console, and the most perfect piece of technology ever actually. Companies have to choose who they want to appeal to, because they can't have everyone. Nintendo, obviously, is not marketing towards the tech savvy, power hungry, GRAFAX obsessed PC crowd. They just aren't. They are marketing towards Japan. The Switch was designed for Japan, as much as people here might hate that.

Then why is it so large and cumbersome compared to a 3DS, and why does it have a terrible battery life? Are Japanese businessmen really supposed to pull this out on a crowded train to work, and keep it on their person during the day? Saying "it's not marketed to you" fails to address any of the actual criticisms being made. Therefore it's a non-argument.

Yes...but what happens after Mario and Zelda? what then? one year later another Zelda and Mario? Nintendo can only flog a dead horse so many times.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Yes...but what happens after Mario and Zelda? what then? one year later another Zelda and Mario? Nintendo can only flog a dead horse so many times.

I dunno... Other games that are coming out for the thing that aren't Mario or Zelda? Like the list of titles we saw announced for this thing, and future titles in the years to come. There's more to a Nintendo system than Mario and Zelda, and 9/10 times I find that anyone defaulting to that argument don't actually pay attention to anything released on a Nintendo system, and like to pretend those are the only two IPs that exist under their belt. It's half assed

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Nintendo finally announced that Breath of the Wild will be running in 900p at 30fps on a docked Switch.

That's REALLY not great for a first party Nintendo title that's basically their current flagship game.

That's not to say that a Zelda game needs to run at 60fps, they aren't that fast paced, it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

Honestly, I would have rather they reduced the amount of foliage, shadows, lighting, and particle effects if it meant a higher framerate, resolution, or both, especially considering it's already a semi-cell-shaded art style.

 

[Yoshi178]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

 

[Yoshi178]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a direct sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on a console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

 

[Yoshi178]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

it's one thing to point it out.

it's another to whinge and moan for months on end about it. (people were complaining about how Switch won't be as powerful as PS4 and Xbox One back before they even knew what the damn system was when it was still called NX FFS!)

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

it just goes to show that the console really isn't very powerful if Nintendo couldn't optimize this game to at least get it to 30fps at 1080p.

we get it. the Switch isn't a massive powerhouse like a gaming PC or the Scorpio or even the PS4.


just exactly how long are you going moan and nitpick about this same exact thing for? get it out of your system already.

Breaking news a new Nintendo Console isn't a massive power house! shocking news i know right????!!!!! i mean it's not like this sort thing has never happened before or anything. oh wait....

I'll stop doing it once your reactions to legitimate complaints about the system stop being funny.

But seriously, it's not even about the power of the console, it's kind of a huge deal that Nintendo couldn't properly optimize their first party game for their own console. If they couldn't figure out how to squeeze every drop of power from this thing how are third party devs supposed to do it? How do you think Monolith are going to struggle making Xenoblade with a system so restrictive that Nintendo, who previously stated that they were targeting 60fps for all their games, weren't able to optimize their own game well enough.

at the end of the Day, i get to play Xenoblade 2. a sequel to one of my favorite games of all time which just so happened to be on console that wasn't even HD. it was a Wii game running in standard definition..

so excuse me for not giving a shit if that game doesn't end up running at native 1080p 60fps. i'm sure i'll love the game regardless of what it ends up running at.

If it ends up running like hot garbage and that doesn't bother you then that's great, no one is going to try and make you stop loving it. And you're allowed to love it. I love Dark Souls but it runs TERRIBLY.

But just like you're allowed to love it despite its problems others are allowed to hate it, and you shouldn't try to stop them from pointing out legitimate problems.

it's one thing to point it out.

it's another to whinge and moan for months on end about it. (people were complaining about how Switch won't be as powerful as PS4 and Xbox One back before they even knew what the damn system was when it was still called NX FFS!)

Someone's gotta balance out all the nintendo fanboys that are eating this thing up, otherwise nintendo will think they did a good job.