No Authenticator, No Diablo III Cash Auction House

[AzrealMaximillion]

Right, because authenticators prevented hacking entirely.....oh wait...

The idea was to cut down on hacking.
The authenticator provides an additional layer of security that makes is significantly harder for a hacker to take you account.

The authenticator doesn't do a very good job. Something that costs $6.50 isn't stopping any hackers at all. It didn't stop them from hacking this gentleman who reviews games:

http://www.examiner.com/article/diablo-iii-an-authenticator-still-gets-you-hacked

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Right, because authenticators prevented hacking entirely.....oh wait...

"Oh wait" what?

If you're talking about those claims that authenticator protected accounts got hacked, then here's something for you.

None of those claims have been confirmed, none.

Lol

http://www.examiner.com/article/diablo-iii-an-authenticator-still-gets-you-hacked

No claims confirmed indeed.

If a guy who reviews video games writes a story about being hacked while owning an authenticator, I'm going to call that a conformation

Sorry friend but the forums are full of claims of exactly this.

 

[Li Mu]

Wow, so Chinese gold farming is now legit! Those Chinese farming companies are going to be ecstatic!


And

Ffs, I just want to play a fucking video game.

blah blah blah

All I wanted to do was play Diablo. Weeks later, I still can't do that, and I am forced to shell out even more money if I want the game to do what is says on the back of the box.

How dare you want to play a game you have bought!? HOW VERY DARE YOU!?
Personally, I enjoy giving companies my money and then not using their product. This is the future of purchasing. You buy something and then find yourself unable to use it.
FOR THE ECONOMY!

 

[Li Mu]

Lol

http://www.examiner.com/article/diablo-iii-an-authenticator-still-gets-you-hacked

No claims confirmed indeed.

If a guy who reviews video games writes a story about being hacked while owning an authenticator, I'm going to call that a conformation

Sorry friend but the forums are full of claims of exactly this.

But this guy is openly saying that he gets hacked every 15 seconds. He's obviously doing something wrong if he's getting hacked so often. I bet his password is '123456' or 'qwerty'
It's similar to saying "I have had 18 different phones and they have all broken". At some point you have to assume that YOU are the problem and not the 18 phones.

 

[Ledan]

Did you ever try mods off curse gaming?

Their site was hijacked for a while and software was implemented into mods.

You know, and I know this will sound absolutely crazy, but it is POSSIBLE that Blizzard's servers have a small hole that allows people to play as you.

This would explain why some people, even ones with authenticators, could have their stuff jacked while still keeping their passwords and ALSO only having the items from their last used character stolen as opposed to all of their items.

It's POSSIBLE (crazy, I know) that Blizzard is the cause of some number of these issues, considering that the majority of the concerned 'hacks' had the SAME players in the 'recently played' list despite never playing with these people.

You've no reason to say that every person here is just lazy with their accounts but don't even allow for the possibility that Blizzard's new game with a new multiplayer system could possibly have holes in it.

Nope. That is impossible.

To that end, we've also seen discussions regarding the possibility of account compromises occurring in ways that didn?t involve these "traditional" methods -- for example, by "session spoofing" a player?s identity after he or she joins a public game. Regarding this specific example, we've looked into the issue and found no evidence to indicate compromises are occurring in this fashion, and we've determined the methods being suggested to do so are technologically impossible.

You do realize it is completely possible for blizzard to lie, right? That they know that its illegal not to tell people about a breach, but choose not to. You kinda have a blindspot for blizzard. "The users lie! People are so despicable and stupid!", but Blizzard is somehow infallible.

 

[jbm1986]

Wow...and I thought the 'Error 37' thing would be the only issue this game would have...

I was very annoyed to discover the dial-in authenticator doesn't work for D3. I don't want the auction house, I just want -security-. I do not have a smart phone, and no, I am NOT paying extra to buy an extra product because YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR GAME SECURE.

Seriously, how is this acceptable? My account has been hijacked once already. I only played in a pub with a stranger ONE time. Because my -friend- invited them. Boom, lose all my loot and gold. Had to use one of my two rollbacks. That was how I discovered the phone authenticator doesn't work.

Why is it permissible I have to buy an extra product so the first product functions? FIX. IT.

^this also

 

[lacktheknack]

I was very annoyed to discover the dial-in authenticator doesn't work for D3. I don't want the auction house, I just want -security-. I do not have a smart phone, and no, I am NOT paying extra to buy an extra product because YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR GAME SECURE.

Seriously, how is this acceptable? My account has been hijacked once already. I only played in a pub with a stranger ONE time. Because my -friend- invited them. Boom, lose all my loot and gold. Had to use one of my two rollbacks. That was how I discovered the phone authenticator doesn't work.

Why is it permissible I have to buy an extra product so the first product functions? FIX. IT.

This is the fix.

There's literally NOTHING they can do on their end to stop YOU from getting hacked. The authenticator is the solution.

If you're going to respond, please prove me wrong. What is the solution you're expecting from them?

EDIT: After thinking about it, I suppose the Steam Single-Computer-Lockup is worth a try...

 

[lacktheknack]

I also want to congratulate The Escapist on being such a great website where news is concerned - when I read these articles, I feel more isolated as a consumer than I do when I visit Gamespot. Yes, fucking Gamespot. Well done John, Andy and the rest of you.

I'm a bit confused by this... what about the articles feels isolating?

 

[TheProfessor234]

Two things;

One: I find it funny that the people who call others, "Blizzard fanboys," are usually just as zealous as said fanboys.

Two: I haven't had any issue what so ever with Diablo 3. I have the mobile authenticator sure, but I haven't had any major server issues or problems with already well over 150 hours clocked. Maybe some people are just doing it wrong. :|


In any case, I think this is a good change, surprised it wasn't like this before, just make the most sense. That is, as much sense as a RMAH can make which is close to none.

 

[walrusaurus]

I was very annoyed to discover the dial-in authenticator doesn't work for D3. I don't want the auction house, I just want -security-. I do not have a smart phone, and no, I am NOT paying extra to buy an extra product because YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR GAME SECURE.

Seriously, how is this acceptable? My account has been hijacked once already. I only played in a pub with a stranger ONE time. Because my -friend- invited them. Boom, lose all my loot and gold. Had to use one of my two rollbacks. That was how I discovered the phone authenticator doesn't work.

Why is it permissible I have to buy an extra product so the first product functions? FIX. IT.

There has never once been a compromise of blizzards account databases. If your account was compromised its because you aren't protecting yourself, be it keeping your system free from malware, practicing good password security, or not being retarded with throwing your account info around.

You, blaming blizzard for getting hacked and not paying for an authenticator, is the equvalent of me crashing my truck into a pole and then blaming Chevrolet for not magically stopping me in my tracks, and then bitching that i was too cheap to buy insurance so now i have to pay for the damage myself.

Grow up, and take some responsibility for yourself. Or, at the very least suck it up and deal with the consequences if your to foolish to do so.

I think his mostly blaming Blizzard for having to buy an Iphone because they cant wont allow the off-site security authenticator's that are 'just' as secure. Because he suspects they are merely trying to sell more of their products. Even to people who have already bought it and some even pay monthly subscription for it. And 'that' to some people. Just seems like a ripoff, paying for the same product twice (Aka the Authenticator)

except that he doesnt have to buy an iphone. The physical authenticator is 6 dollars.

Should they have included it in the d3 box? maybe, but i can understand why they didn't, because A: how many people actually bought a physical copy of d3, and B: of those people most of them already have smartphones and thus dont need it (something like 60% of america has a smartphone these days).

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Right, because authenticators prevented hacking entirely.....oh wait...

"Oh wait" what?

If you're talking about those claims that authenticator protected accounts got hacked, then here's something for you.

None of those claims have been confirmed, none.

Lol

http://www.examiner.com/article/diablo-iii-an-authenticator-still-gets-you-hacked

No claims confirmed indeed.

If a guy who reviews video games writes a story about being hacked while owning an authenticator, I'm going to call that a conformation

Sorry friend but the forums are full of claims of exactly this.

Its funny how he had all these different accounts hacked. He has apparently been hacked more by himself than the total of me and the friends who played together.... on a single account.

I think the security risk might not be with the account....

I am having an even harder time believing him due to the timing of things. Get hacked 5 days after the authenticator was attached?

Still in the end its word against word. Both side has something to gain by lying. Blizzard has more to gain by lying, but also a lot more to lose.

I don't know why people would make up stories about getting hacked while owning authenticators. There's no logic in that. And counting in that this whole always online single player was supposed to be a DRM system to PREVENT hacking makes this even more suspect on Blizzard's part.

Seriously we're going to see a lot of people who don't buy authenticators getting hacked even though they don't have any intention of using the RMAH at all. Why the hell should they be more at risk to lose everything then everyone who pays Blizzard?

Seems like Blizzard is very horribly covering its ass here

 

[Eri]

Did you ever try mods off curse gaming?

Their site was hijacked for a while and software was implemented into mods.

You know, and I know this will sound absolutely crazy, but it is POSSIBLE that Blizzard's servers have a small hole that allows people to play as you.

This would explain why some people, even ones with authenticators, could have their stuff jacked while still keeping their passwords and ALSO only having the items from their last used character stolen as opposed to all of their items.

It's POSSIBLE (crazy, I know) that Blizzard is the cause of some number of these issues, considering that the majority of the concerned 'hacks' had the SAME players in the 'recently played' list despite never playing with these people.

You've no reason to say that every person here is just lazy with their accounts but don't even allow for the possibility that Blizzard's new game with a new multiplayer system could possibly have holes in it.

Nope. That is impossible.

To that end, we've also seen discussions regarding the possibility of account compromises occurring in ways that didn?t involve these "traditional" methods -- for example, by "session spoofing" a player?s identity after he or she joins a public game. Regarding this specific example, we've looked into the issue and found no evidence to indicate compromises are occurring in this fashion, and we've determined the methods being suggested to do so are technologically impossible.

You do realize it is completely possible for blizzard to lie, right? That they know that its illegal not to tell people about a breach, but choose not to. You kinda have a blindspot for blizzard. "The users lie! People are so despicable and stupid!", but Blizzard is somehow infallible.

And you think people are? Who is more likely to be unsecure, a big company, or users who many don't know what they're doing? If anything I'm just going by what logic would dictate, not just random emotion.

 

[Eri]

Right, because authenticators prevented hacking entirely.....oh wait...

The idea was to cut down on hacking.
The authenticator provides an additional layer of security that makes is significantly harder for a hacker to take you account.

The authenticator doesn't do a very good job. Something that costs $6.50 isn't stopping any hackers at all. It didn't stop them from hacking this gentleman who reviews games:

http://www.examiner.com/article/diablo-iii-an-authenticator-still-gets-you-hacked

Right, because authenticators prevented hacking entirely.....oh wait...

"Oh wait" what?

If you're talking about those claims that authenticator protected accounts got hacked, then here's something for you.

None of those claims have been confirmed, none.

Lol

http://www.examiner.com/article/diablo-iii-an-authenticator-still-gets-you-hacked

No claims confirmed indeed.

If a guy who reviews video games writes a story about being hacked while owning an authenticator, I'm going to call that a conformation

Sorry friend but the forums are full of claims of exactly this.

Lol

http://www.examiner.com/article/diablo-iii-an-authenticator-still-gets-you-hacked

No claims confirmed indeed.

If a guy who reviews video games writes a story about being hacked while owning an authenticator, I'm going to call that a conformation

Sorry friend but the forums are full of claims of exactly this.

But this guy is openly saying that he gets hacked every 15 seconds. He's obviously doing something wrong if he's getting hacked so often. I bet his password is '123456' or 'qwerty'
It's similar to saying "I have had 18 different phones and they have all broken". At some point you have to assume that YOU are the problem and not the 18 phones.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's a liar. The end. The story was already debunked by Blizzard themselves. Notice how he fails to mention what type of authenticator he got? That's because it was Dial-in, which doesn't EVEN WORK for Diablo 3.

 

[Kordie]

And you think people are? Who is more likely to be unsecure, a big company, or users who many don't know what they're doing? If anything I'm just going by what logic would dictate, not just random emotion.

Logic would imply that everyone is fallable in equal rates. Just as x% of the population could potentially screw up their account, so too could x% of people at blizzard have screwed up the security.

You may make the argument that blizzard is comprised of intelligent hard working loyal employees and hiring practices in place would prevent screw ups from working there, but that argument is logically flawed as well. By that logic, no screw up would get a job anywhere as no one would hire a screw up. In that world the screw ups would carry low responsablity jobs or no jobs and not likely have the disposable income to enjoy computer games in general, thus removing that same screw up demographic from the user end.

Another argument could be made that its children and younger people that are screwing up on the user side. This is again not logical because it is based on the assumption that children are more likely to screw up than adults. Keeping in mind technology demographics and the population of youth with active knowledge of technology that doesn't seem like it would fit either.

Logic really provides only one solution, everyone screwed up in roughly equal accounts. Blaming everything on the consumer is as logically flawed as blaming everything on blizzard.

 

[Eri]

And you think people are? Who is more likely to be unsecure, a big company, or users who many don't know what they're doing? If anything I'm just going by what logic would dictate, not just random emotion.

Logic would imply that everyone is fallable in equal rates. Just as x% of the population could potentially screw up their account, so too could x% of people at blizzard have screwed up the security.

You may make the argument that blizzard is comprised of intelligent hard working loyal employees and hiring practices in place would prevent screw ups from working there, but that argument is logically flawed as well. By that logic, no screw up would get a job anywhere as no one would hire a screw up. In that world the screw ups would carry low responsablity jobs or no jobs and not likely have the disposable income to enjoy computer games in general, thus removing that same screw up demographic from the user end.

Another argument could be made that its children and younger people that are screwing up on the user side. This is again not logical because it is based on the assumption that children are more likely to screw up than adults. Keeping in mind technology demographics and the population of youth with active knowledge of technology that doesn't seem like it would fit either.

Logic really provides only one solution, everyone screwed up in roughly equal accounts. Blaming everything on the consumer is as logically flawed as blaming everything on blizzard.

Except you're using extremism to try and prove your point, and that logic isn't sound. Blizzard is much more secure than any random user, if you can't accept that, there's not really anything left I can say about it.

 

[Kordie]

And you think people are? Who is more likely to be unsecure, a big company, or users who many don't know what they're doing? If anything I'm just going by what logic would dictate, not just random emotion.

Logic would imply that everyone is fallable in equal rates. Just as x% of the population could potentially screw up their account, so too could x% of people at blizzard have screwed up the security.

You may make the argument that blizzard is comprised of intelligent hard working loyal employees and hiring practices in place would prevent screw ups from working there, but that argument is logically flawed as well. By that logic, no screw up would get a job anywhere as no one would hire a screw up. In that world the screw ups would carry low responsablity jobs or no jobs and not likely have the disposable income to enjoy computer games in general, thus removing that same screw up demographic from the user end.

Another argument could be made that its children and younger people that are screwing up on the user side. This is again not logical because it is based on the assumption that children are more likely to screw up than adults. Keeping in mind technology demographics and the population of youth with active knowledge of technology that doesn't seem like it would fit either.

Logic really provides only one solution, everyone screwed up in roughly equal accounts. Blaming everything on the consumer is as logically flawed as blaming everything on blizzard.

Except you're using extremism to try and prove your point, and that logic isn't sound. Blizzard is much more secure than any random user, if you can't accept that, there's not really anything left I can say about it.

How is my blame everyone point of view extreme? Point out a hole in my logic that people are fallable at equal rates regardless of place of employment. Yes a company on the whole will be more secure than an individual, an individual has no chain of command or quality assurance. However, that does not make a company infallable. My point remains that if x% of the general population screw up, than x% of the people in blizzard can screw up. Further, if people at blizzard can screw up, they will never have a 100% secure system (as evidenced by hacks into every facet of b-net, or as seen in business failings in every market.)

Everyone makes mistake, absolving blizzard because by some virtue of working there makes you (as an individual) less likely to screw up than the general population is highly illogical.

Here is the math for you, if x% of the population can screw up, and blizzard has n employees working on diablo 3, than x^n is the rate that everyone screwed up. Youll notice that for all non 0 values, this gives you a number greater than 0%. Now, the likelyhood of everyone screwing up is small, but it does exist. Having said that, we don't need everyone to screw up, just a few people. The fact remains that blizzard can and does make mistakes.

again, everyone is to blame.