No Dubstep in gaming

[Vuliev]

Though I like dubstep (well, some dubstep, since there really is quite a lot of shitty dubstep), I agree with the OP. Dubstep, even when done right, doesn't really mesh with the interactive medium of games. As a genre, dubstep is decidedly non-interactive, IMO. That's not a bad thing, since it can be extraordinarily expressive, but it's more suited for cinematics than gameplay.

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

Heard of this little indie franchise called Final Fantasy?

See in the 13th title and especially in the sequel of the 13th title they started to experiment greatly.

The closest would probably be stuff like

(well the bit at the start and end anywho)

(This is easily one of my favourite tracks on the soundtrack)


Or maybe check out XIII-2

(This piece is in the demo, dubstep + rap + a tiny bit of strings)

I hear music in XIII-2 is incredible and really varied so yeah I'd check it out for some dubstep and plenty of other things.

 

[VladG]

Thing is in many games, i play to discover new music like with Burnout 3 and SSX 3 (Those were amazing soundtracks) so if i were to find dubstep everywhere i go, it would be too much for me (im not sure what i would do)

Also, maybe if you're so desperate to keep dubstep in gaming, just put it in games like COD or Uncharted or whatever. It would be enough for me if dubstep was ruled out of fighting games alone (my specialist genre)

No, I say restrict it only to fighting games. I don't like those, I don't play them

See what I did there?

 

[Zing]

Dubstep is already pretty entrenched in everything. Gaming is what introduced me to Dubstep. WoW PvP videos were way ahead of the curve with popular music, people were putting dubstep in videos back in 2008-9 when I was still playing and Dubstep was very unknown. It's evolved a lot since then, there is a lot of shitty dubstep out there, but also a lot of sick stuff.

 

[TheAbominableDan]

If it wasn't dubstep it'd be Nu-metal in the late 90s or clanging garage rock in the early 00's. I doubt we'll be hearing Skrillex in a Fallout or Assassin's Creed anytime soon.

Sounds like someone doesn't remember Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. A Fallout game featuring nu metal that was largely hated and disregarded.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

If it wasn't dubstep it'd be Nu-metal in the late 90s or clanging garage rock in the early 00's. I doubt we'll be hearing Skrillex in a Fallout or Assassin's Creed anytime soon.

Sounds like someone doesn't remember Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. A Fallout game featuring nu metal that was largely hated and disregarded.

Shhh. That game doesn't exist...

 

[torzath]

If by "work" you mean make the movie look like exploitative shit. Everyone I know who saw that trailer assumed it was some kind of rappers-in-Mustangs bullshit film and had to be told that it's (apparently) based on real people and history.[/quote]

This particular trailer focuses on aerial combat. Dupstep works well with the aerial combat.

 

[lapan]

While i'm normally not really interested in dubsteb, Gods Eater Burst had a decent dubsteb intro.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

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What is a "distorted electro wobble"?

Do you mean the bassline?

Look, I'm going to be flat out honest with you. Everyone who is trying to say that "Rock n' Roll" is not a dubstep song has NO clue what they are talking about. It really just sounds like you all like the song and are afraid because you know it is a dubstep song and you "hate dubstep".

Listen up all you haters.

First thing is first... The genre dubstep does NOT imply that there is a constant wobble bass. That's not how it works. The sampling and heavy drum beats with slightly syncopated hi-hats are signature to both dubstep and some especially complicated house music. There are slight differences in the pass filters of the drums, however (dubstep will have more low-pass cymbals usually, etc...).

Through most of the song, a trained ear can actually hear a consistent LFO wobble on what sounds like noise filter, but that is not necessary to classify as dubstep.

Also, there is no such thing as a "dubstep part" of a song. That's like getting to a guitar solo and saying, "Oh this is the rock part!"

"Rock n' Roll" is not a house song. House is a MUCH more repetitive genre and is extremely minimalistic compared to the sheer amount of layering Skrillex presents.

(For those who don't know, layering is, essentially, putting multiple layers of tones/drums on top of each other so create a fuller, more vibrant sound. The way that these layers are equalized can be the difference between a Kanye backing track and a shitty song off Soundcloud.)

"Rock n' Roll" is not an electro song. This is blaringly apparent the second you hear the vocals.

It's a freaking dubstep song. I assure you, anyone who is remotely knowledgeable in techno music will agree.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

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I'm not in the mood for a big argument. So let me address this with a few statements and a few questions.

Questions
1) Are you a troll?
2) How long have you actually been listening to dubstep for?
3) Do you actually have any idea about how to produce music? Besides just watching how to make Skrillex basslines in Massive?

Statements
1) 'Distorted Electro Wobble' isn't the same as a dubstep wobble. If you want a real Dubstep wobble, listen to Woo Boost by Rusko.
2) I am not a Dubstep hater. I like the old-school proper British dubstep. I like the newer off-shoot of that with artists such as James Blake and Jamie xx and quite like Brostep once it pulls itself together.
3) We were never doubting the drum patterns and the processing of the drums in dubstep. What we are saying is that Rock n Roll contains a four-to-the-floor beat. Standard house music. The fact the tempo is around 130 BPM is another clear indicator that Rock n Roll is House song.
4) There's no such thing as a noise filter, there's low-passes, high-passes, formant, band-reject, band-passes, combs, but never in my 9 years of electronica listening and 6 years on producing electronica have I encountered a noise filter.
5) Yes there is such thing as a dubstep part, listen to 'Legend of Zelda' by Zedd and tell me how that doesn't change into a Dubstep part. And yes, listen to a guitar solo in the middle of a Beethoven song and go it's the rock part, because the brain makes an automatic association. And as for Rock n Roll, after the 'Rude boy bass, mash up thee place' sample around 2:20, the drums become more syncopated and lose their consistency, the tempo is increased to 140 BPM and the high hats become more sparse and syncopated. That is quite often the ideal growing conditions for a 32 bar dubstep variation, and it works from a rock song switching in to a dance song, listen to 'The Tempest' by Pendulum for an ideal example.
6) House isn't always a minimalistic genre, hence why there is a sub-genre 'Minimalist house.' And just because there's more layers, doesn't mean that it's automatically not a genre, I wouldn't say 'Iron Heart' by Netsky isn't a Liquid Funk tune because it has more than 2 synths playing the main progression.
7) The vocals in Rock n Roll do not make it a dubstep song. If I where to get a sample of Ian McKellen over a Tech House tune, wouldn't make it instantly Hardstyle.
8) I'm quite certain techno artists know a 4-to-the-floor beat when they hear one.

Spoiler: Those examples

Spoiler: TL;DR

Good day sir.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

I'm not in the mood for a big argument.

Sure about that?

So let me address this with a few statements and a few questions.

Questions
1) Are you a troll?

No.

2) How long have you actually been listening to dubstep for?

About 8 years.

3) Do you actually have any idea about how to produce music? Besides just watching how to make Skrillex basslines in Massive?

Yeah actually I do. I went to school for digital music production and now teach music.

Oh and btw, Massive is an instrument. You don't make basslines in Massive, you make them in a DAW and run them through Massive. You'd have to be familiar with these sorts of programs to know that though.

Statements
1) 'Distorted Electro Wobble' isn't the same as a dubstep wobble. If you want a real Dubstep wobble, listen to Woo Boost by Rusko.

No. "Distorted Electro Wobble" is a term you made up. It literally means nothing.

2) I am not a Dubstep hater. I like the old-school proper British dubstep. I like the newer off-shoot of that with artists such as James Blake and Jamie xx and quite like Brostep once it pulls itself together.

Oh.

3) We were never doubting the drum patterns and the processing of the drums in dubstep. What we are saying is that Rock n Roll contains a four-to-the-floor beat. Standard house music. The fact the tempo is around 130 BPM is another clear indicator that Rock n Roll is House song.

Four to the floor beat is not restricted to house.

4) There's no such thing as a noise filter, there's low-passes, high-passes, formant, band-reject, band-passes, combs, but never in my 9 years of electronica listening and 6 years on producing electronica have I encountered a noise filter.

A noise filter is a term to describe any sort of filter on noise. Many popular electronic songs utilize noise (aka. white noise) to keep the pulse and sometimes just to hide pops.

5) blah
6) blah

Not worth addressing, but House is minimalistic by nature. It is signature of the genre.

7) The vocals in Rock n Roll do not make it a dubstep song.

I didn't say that. The presentation of the vocals DOES make it not electro, however.

This is really moot. You clearly have some knowledge of the subject, but I'm not sure you're learning from the right people.

Really, if anything, we've both proven, as two people who are experienced with electronic music, that genre can be as subjective as taste.

I would, personally, say that you have said nothing to convince me that "Rock n' Roll" is anything but a dubstep song, and I'm pretty certain Skrillex would agree with me (although the only genre he puts on it is "Dance Music").

However, I'm sure you think the exact opposite, so we should agree to disagree I guess.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

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Just had a look at your résumé. It says nowhere about a qualification in music tech. If your going to type bullshit, at least make it hold up.

I have never made up the term 'Distorted Electro Wobble' googling it will get thousands of results on how to make a brostep sound. Four to the floor isn't restricted to House, yet at a BPM of 130, it is Electro.

If a noise filter is what you say it is, it's a filter sweep, which is something completely different.

Electro tunes have vocals as well, listen to Stars Come Out by Zedd.

And I'm learning from the right people, I've learnt from everyone, ranging from artists such as Rob Swire, deadmau5 and Armin van Buuren, highly regarded YouTubers such as Dave from Boyinaband to my friends who have just started out and found ways different to mine.

So please go back to 3DS Max, and your real job.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

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Just had a look at your résumé. It says nowhere about a qualification in music tech. If your going to type bullshit, at least make it hold up.

You looked at my like 3 year old Graphic Design portfolio you moron. I hadn't even gotten into school yet. You want a picture of my fucking Full Sail degree where I minored in digital music production?

I have never made up the term 'Distorted Electro Wobble' googling it will get thousands of results on how to make a brostep sound.

You did make it up. Googling it proves this further. Admit you were just trying to sound like you knew what you were talking about.

Four to the floor isn't restricted to House, yet at a BPM of 130, it is Electro.

No. That's stupid. Disco is 4 to the floor at ~140. A lot of things are.

If a noise filter is what you say it is, it's a filter sweep, which is something completely different.

Dude wtf are you even talking about. The filter sweep is like a blueprint for what a filter does. A noise filter is a filter. On noise. Not that hard to figure out.

Electro tunes have vocals as well, listen to Stars Come Out by Zedd.

Read what I write. Of course Electro has vocals. But find me an electro song with vocals that sound ANYTHING like "Rock n' Roll". It's about presentation.

And I'm learning from the right people, I've learnt from everyone, ranging from artists such as Rob Swire, deadmau5 and Armin van Buuren, highly regarded YouTubers such as Dave from Boyinaband to my friends who have just started out and found ways different to mine.

Go to school for it kid. You REALLY have no idea what you're talking about.

So please go back to 3DS Max, and your real job.

You caught me. I'm not a full time music teacher. I DO have a day job. Most of us do.

EDIT: Also that's really creepy that you went out of your way to look at my resume.

EDIT 2:
I just posted this in another thread, but it's pretty relevant here.

You are making dubstep look bad.

You're like the metal heads who jump at you for calling black-metal "death-metal".

Just chill out. It's all dubstep.

 

[Fappy]

I love how man of the same people who claimed they never liked techno LOVE dubstep. Debstep is just bad techno.

 

[Aggressor and Usurper]

If it wasn't dubstep it'd be Nu-metal in the late 90s or clanging garage rock in the early 00's. I doubt we'll be hearing Skrillex in a Fallout or Assassin's Creed anytime soon.

Sounds like someone doesn't remember Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. A Fallout game featuring nu metal that was largely hated and disregarded.

Shhh. That game doesn't exist...

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Devin_Townsend#Fallout:_Brotherhood_of_Steel
Wait...what...nu-metal? NU METAL? NOOOOOOOOOO

 

[MiracleOfSound]

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Devin_Townsend#Fallout:_Brotherhood_of_Steel
Wait...what...nu-metal? NU METAL? NOOOOOOOOOO

Nu Metal my ass. That guy clearly has no idea what he's talking about.



Say what you want about the game but the soundtrack is most definitely NOT Nu Metal. It's not even metal...

Sounds like someone doesn't remember Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. A Fallout game featuring nu metal that was largely hated and disregarded.

Where is this Nu Metal? Please show me. The game was ass but the soundtrack was ace.

 

[TheAbominableDan]

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Devin_Townsend#Fallout:_Brotherhood_of_Steel
Wait...what...nu-metal? NU METAL? NOOOOOOOOOO

Nu Metal my ass. That guy clearly has no idea what he's talking about.



Say what you want about the game but the soundtrack is most definitely NOT Nu Metal. It's not even metal...

Sounds like someone doesn't remember Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. A Fallout game featuring nu metal that was largely hated and disregarded.

Where is this Nu Metal? Please show me. The game was ass but the soundtrack was ace.

Not Tactics, just Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. It was a console game and was universally hated.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

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Not Tactics, just Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. It was a console game and was universally hated.

Original point still stands... you won't have to worry about dubstep being put into the kind of games most of us don't want to see it in.

If there's dubstep in Fallout 4 I give you my word right here right now I'll post a big picture on this forum holding a sign saying 'I WAS WRONG'

 

[Aggressor and Usurper]

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Devin_Townsend#Fallout:_Brotherhood_of_Steel
Wait...what...nu-metal? NU METAL? NOOOOOOOOOO

Nu Metal my ass. That guy clearly has no idea what he's talking about.



Say what you want about the game but the soundtrack is most definitely NOT Nu Metal. It's not even metal...

Sounds like someone doesn't remember Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. A Fallout game featuring nu metal that was largely hated and disregarded.

Where is this Nu Metal? Please show me. The game was ass but the soundtrack was ace.

Sounds a bit like Devlab or something.

 

[Elemental]

Example of dubstep, pretty much the only dubstep song i like;


Listening to it by itself, most dubstep kinda sucks IMO, but i imagine that song, in a game like WipeoutHD and it would be great!

Skrillex is not fucking Dubstep, stop calling it that.

As for me, I enjoy Dubstep, but not that mainstream noise they decided to label "dubstep"
I listen to the old, good stuff. And even though I love Dubstep I don't really think it fits in games, maybe I'll change my mind when there will be a game where it fits.