...you try to be, there's always that one thing you can't wrap your head around.
For me, it's people who aren't moved by music, people who are fine with listening to the radio or club music because it's easy to dance to or it's simple, people who don't go looking for music that inspires them or brings out all manner of emotion/feeling to the surface (be it joy, excitement, anger, passion etc). These are the things I can't accept/understand, no matter how wide I open my mind.
The surface of a sphere is two dimensional. And it's tangent is an entire plane.
The tangent (and for that matter surface area) of a four dimensional object is in 3 dimensions (it has VOLUME!!!).
Try to visualize that. Could you? Well if you could then check again because you got it wrong. And if you really just did (and can explain it) Please don't bother explaining it to me, just go collect your goddamn nobel prize already.
Edit: OT: The people on the other thread about circumcision...THE BIAS so much BIAS.
The people who feel the need to deride religion at every opportunity and be self-righteous about it. They're being just as nasty and close-minded as the people who give religion a bad name.
I know, right? Just like all those people who deride racism at every oppertunity and who are all self-righteous about it. They are being just as nasty and close-minded as the people who give racism a bad name.
doing awful and bad things in general..and BRAGGIN about it, I just dont get it
Necron_warrior said:
I don't understand people who do things 'out of the goodness of their heart'. There's no profit for the doer, unless the doer has the ideas of favours in mind, it just seems illogical to me.
Religion. I can't wrap my head around willful delusions like that. Yes, I know it's not the popular stance to take, nor politically correct, but I just can't look at any of the religions I know and figure out why people believe in it. It's got the same factual weight as santa claus and makes about as much sense from any logical perspective and yet these religions are not only widespread beliefs but it's political and at times even social suicide to speak against them.
It's mindboggling to me. There's no scientifically backed indication of any of it having even a nugget of truth to it and yet it's 'narrowminded' or 'hateful' to point out the ridiculousness of it all.
I'll of course respect anyone's right to believe in these things, but the most aneurysm inducing part of it all is that there's no respect given to those who believe religion holds about as much water as a sieve.
The religious, I dont get how people can overlook the barbarity and outmoded moral concepts thats rife throughout religion. I dont get how these people can then say they hold the moral high ground, that as an atheist Im spiritually dead and morally suspect.
If Im totally honest it makes me very angry.
I think you guys tend to generalize religion and portray it in more of a bad light than it deserves. There are many things about religion that have benefits. Yes, there are negatives to religion, but there are negatives to everything. Yes, the more zealous religious folk can do some very immature and very mean things, but so can a very zealous atheist.
Religion, in general, should serve one purpose for people: comfort. This comfort comes in many ways. It may come as comfort living in a bad situation, or handed a bit bit of bad luck, wondering why that is. Isn't the thought that maybe some unknown force that maybe has your eventual best interest in mind a more soothing thought that just thinking that your life is shit for no reason? That maybe, you are suffering now, but after you die you will enter into a paradise so blissful it cannot be described? Also, doesn't the idea that someone shaped us in His image make us sound so much more important than such an insignificant speck in the confines of the universe?
Yes, in some ways, it is blocking out the truth, and I believe everyone should try to be as educated and knowledgable of the world as they can, but sometimes, people don't want to learn that they are insignificant and useless. That's a very depressing thought that makes everything they do seem meaningless. Sometimes, working for the goal of heaven makes the suffering of life more tolerable, and while I think being a zealot and willingly blocking out knowledge is indeed a problem, religion serves many comforting roles. Also, religion, while indeed outdated in many regards, has many timeless parables. The Golden Rule? Treat Others as You Would Want To Be Treated? Is that outdated? You may say that that should be common knowledge, but it isn't. Sometimes, we need a book to tell us so.
In addition, I think religion can be mixed with scientific thought. I believe that God is some sort of creator, but he does not intervene in our lives. He carves and places the dominoes, knocks the first one over, and then watches. He does not meddle in our affairs. He does not bring hurricanes, or suffering, or death. People and the natural causes of the Earth do. And while he may have created all of this, I believe mankind is slowly discovering how he did it. Every new discovery about the world is just uncovering more and more of God's design. It was already there, we are just discovering more pages of God's "How to Build a Universe" book. And not only does that reconcile the ideas of religion and science, it makes me excited for the pursuit of knowledge and science.
Finally, I agree with you on one point that I know you probably have: no, religion should not be used as some sort of reasoning for hate. That is unacceptable in any regard, for any mode of thinking. If science was somehow used as some sort of reasoning for hate, I would chastise those people just as quickly as I would someone who abused religion.
This is just a short version of why religion is not as bad as you make it out to be. I could discuss how it was influential in a historical standpoint, but you three seem to understand already. I don't want to sound pompous in this post, I just think religion gains more hate than it deserves, only because a number of close-minded fools abuse it, like they would abuse anything else.
Also,
Insanum said:
There are just two things I cant stand, People who are intolerant of other peoples races & beliefs, and the dutch.
I can handle nose rings, nipple piercings, earrings, belly-button rings, and tattoos, but dying your hair, or altering any aspect of your body that you were born with just doesn't feel right.
I can understand wanting to dye your hair a natural color, especially when a person gets older and it turns more white. It's a vanity thing to hold on to those youthful days of vitality. Matching your hair to crayons out of a Crayola box, however, is just plain weird.
OT: What I can't wrap my head around at all are people who dress and behave like they're perpetually horny, then get offended when someone either calls their bluff or seems the slightest bit unhappy about the show. I get it that people will dress and alter their bodies however they wish, but what's with the superiority complex whenever it's even politely suggested that maybe this isn't the time or place for such things?
Some people listen to music to invoke feelings, etc., others just want to be entertained. Same with movies, games, sports, etc. They probably get their emotion fix elsewhere. You're just over complicating this one. Oh, but I doubt they do it simply because it's easy to dance to. I sometimes go to my local club and dance to oldie songs and country music even though I don't normally listen to such things. It still brings emotions of joy and excitement to me.
Most popular religions have been around for a very long time. Imagine 2000 years of beings told something, no matter how unbelievable it is. It's eventually going to become the basis of your life, like breathing air. At the start, these religions were probably enforced (and still are in some countries)... Most people are born into these religions, they grow up being told what to believe or else. They really have no other way of thinking. That's why a lot of religious people will spurt jibbish at you if you suggest maybe they're wrong.
Well, we live in a capitalist frame of mind. The more money you have the more power you have. Wanting power is a fairly basic human instinct. It's a biological fact, particularly with males... If collecting bottle caps gave you power we'd see people with billions of bottle caps.
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Anyone who said drugs obviously hasn't used them before. They can be EXTREMELY addictive. Most drug addicts couldn't quit evening if they realized their life could be better without it. That's often why drug charges can be quite lienient (for users, not dealers). Because people realize it's generally not a yes or no situation.
Anyways, I've had enough playing God for one day. Back to you Jim!
Both:
People that will continue to argue their completely disproved ideas and try to convince others they are fact, even when confronted with a metric fuckton of evidence otherwise. I can understand holding a viewpoint that is unlikely, but has no evidence for it, but I cannot comprehend why you would hold on to an idea that has no logical grounding, and that has substantial evidence saying it is false.
and:
People who cannot comprehend something, no matter how many times, using as many varied ways of looking at things that I can think of, I explain it to them. For example, some people in my Chemistry class just can not get their head around ionic bonding. It has taken at least 10 hours of trying to explain it, yet they still do not get it. Now, for this it is not that I cannot comprehend why they are unable to understand it as such, but I cannot comprehend how they are thinking about it as it is that different to how I think about it. Wish I could comprehend every type of thought pattern, but sadly I can't.
People who like Rob Schnieder, Chris Rock, Jack Black, Owen Wilson, Ben Stiller, Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, Will Ferrel, Shia Lebuff, or the Transformers movies
My pet cause is infant circumcision. I just can't and don't want to be open-minded about people who mutilate children, no matter what insane excuse they give. Anyone who does it is a monster and should be put to death: swiftly for the good of all, as one kills a rabid dog.
Circumcisions actually reduce the chances of infection of the penis. They're performed soon after birth to allow the child to become accustomed to the sensitivity, and because if done later in life carry a much higher risk of scarring as well as being much more painful and sensitivity not reducing.
OT: People who spout arbitrary bullshit at every turn. i.e. CoD BF3 haters, people complaining about lack of creativity.
someone said the religious, i'd extend that too anyone who simply doesn't think about something. i find this impossible to understand, because i heavily scrutinize every. single. thing that goes on in my brain, usually to an annoying degree.
i can't imagine my head not working that way, so i have no idea what it would be like.
People who cut themselves. Just no. How could that possible solve or help anything (working on the basis the person is depressed)? Cutting one's self could only lead to further depression, what could possibly be going through a person's mind, when they decide? "The only way to solve my problems is it cut myself"
Some people I feel cut themselves because it's part of the gothic/metal culture kind of like peer presure but on a scale of fitting into a huge group of people that happen to like similar music to you. Some of them just happen to cut themselves 'cause...well I'm not sure why really...
Probably sounds dumb to rant about something I don't fully understand...
i did it once, it felt really good. next time i tried it just hurt, then i never did it again. the rush i felt was pretty pleasant. before anyone asks, yeah i was really depressed at the time but i wasn't suicidal.
In fear of being suspended I'll word this lightly.
What's with the bronies thing? I really don't get it. If somebody could quote me and explain in a paragraph or something that would be greatly appreciated.
I'll try to make it quick. Part of it is simply the fact that the show is an above average children's animation with enough self-conscious humor to still be engaging to an adult audience, at least in a superficial way. It's also gained support due to the already established popularity of its creator, Lauren Faust, who worked on the Power Puff Girls and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. Part of that is the fact that Faust consistently provides good media content aimed at girls, a traditionally neglected demographic in pop culture, and that MLP is a high mark for that. For some, supporting her is like me buying Costume Quest because I like Double Fine Studios, even though it was honestly too short and basic to keep me all the way interested. This is where the majority of the original support came from, and the whole irony of the "grown men - little girls show" thing helped the show gain publicity among internet culture.
Modern bronies - basically the ones like me that still watch the show and are producing the shittons of fan works - have as many and varied reasons for liking the show as people do for liking anything else. Yes, some of them are furries who just wanna fuck ponies and the fact that there's a universe and consistent characters which inhabit it helps contextualize their fantasy. But some of them, like me, are intrigued by and attracted to the social values that have grown up out of the community that challenge gender norms and social conventions about physical intimacy and emotional transparency. More (or perhaps less) than the effect on IRL gender relations and social interaction, there is a noticeable effect on internet society as well. In short, the MLP community made /b decide to be nice to each other, and that niceness thing caught on. Tolerance, understanding, and kindness are, while not universally applied, at least seen as "cool" in the brony community, where they might have been regarded as naive and weak-willed otherwise, as is still the case on many forums and message boards. And that's what inspires me, and makes me want to call myself a brony. It's not what makes me watch the show - I do that because it's cute and entertaining. I just spend hours on the MLP chatroom here because of all that other shit I was talking about.
That was the first time I've really done a full overview and analysis of brony culture. Hope you enjoyed it.
People who cut themselves. Just no. How could that possible solve or help anything (working on the basis the person is depressed)? Cutting one's self could only lead to further depression, what could possibly be going through a person's mind, when they decide? "The only way to solve my problems is it cut myself"
Some people I feel cut themselves because it's part of the gothic/metal culture kind of like peer presure but on a scale of fitting into a huge group of people that happen to like similar music to you. Some of them just happen to cut themselves 'cause...well I'm not sure why really...
Probably sounds dumb to rant about something I don't fully understand...
i did it once. i was recently out of a breakup and depressed, but not suicidal by any means. it actually felt, really good, the rush it gave was quite pleasant. the next time i tried though it just stung.
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