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Dan seems like a guy that won't like anime no matter what you show him, and will use any anime he deems bad as an excuse to continue hating anime in general, despite the, what, two? Three? Four anime he tried? And the fact that you keep giving in to his hatred rather than try to argue against it, for the people watching who are avid anime fans, makes arguments like these feel very bias. I may be wrong, but that's how it's coming across.
Maybe try getting someone on your show who is big into anime to help counter his arguments. I remember a while ago you guys did a debate about Anime vs. Western animation, but both debaters were people who only seen a handful of shows. It didn't seem like a fair argument when one guy is bashing anime and the other guy's simply like "Yeah... you got a point...." I'm not angry or offended, it's just rather depressing having to hear anime discussions from one person who hates anime and another person who's only mildly interested.
My anime suggestions? Well, my two favorite anime are FLCL and Puella Magi Madoka Magica. I see you enjoyed FLCL, but Madoka would probably rub you guys the wrong way. It's a magical girl show, in the same vein as Sailor Moon, but a much darker take on it. It's on Netflix and it's a very popular anime. But again, it might be a show that both of you will take issue with. So no, I got nothing. For Dan, I don't think there is an anime that would win him over. There might be an anime he'll like, but nothing that will convince him that there's more to anime than DBZ or Fullmetal Alchemist. I, like most anime fans my age, got into anime very young. If he never got into it before then at his age he's far too jaded and cynical to be open with it.
As for Attack on Titan, I still enjoy the series. Not one of my favorites, but it's a fun ride, and for me that's all it really needed to be. Honestly I like the second half better than the first.
Also, I've seen some truly, truly terrible anime, so if you think Attack on Titan is terrible, then lets just say you came off easy.
Maybe try getting someone on your show who is big into anime to help counter his arguments. I remember a while ago you guys did a debate about Anime vs. Western animation, but both debaters were people who only seen a handful of shows. It didn't seem like a fair argument when one guy is bashing anime and the other guy's simply like "Yeah... you got a point...." I'm not angry or offended, it's just rather depressing having to hear anime discussions from one person who hates anime and another person who's only mildly interested.
My anime suggestions? Well, my two favorite anime are FLCL and Puella Magi Madoka Magica. I see you enjoyed FLCL, but Madoka would probably rub you guys the wrong way. It's a magical girl show, in the same vein as Sailor Moon, but a much darker take on it. It's on Netflix and it's a very popular anime. But again, it might be a show that both of you will take issue with. So no, I got nothing. For Dan, I don't think there is an anime that would win him over. There might be an anime he'll like, but nothing that will convince him that there's more to anime than DBZ or Fullmetal Alchemist. I, like most anime fans my age, got into anime very young. If he never got into it before then at his age he's far too jaded and cynical to be open with it.
As for Attack on Titan, I still enjoy the series. Not one of my favorites, but it's a fun ride, and for me that's all it really needed to be. Honestly I like the second half better than the first.
Also, I've seen some truly, truly terrible anime, so if you think Attack on Titan is terrible, then lets just say you came off easy.
So in no particular order, from the perspective of a guy who is very stingy about his Anime -
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Pretty much an Anime free of my usual berzerk buttons.
- Robotech. You laugh but I've seen the outright dreadful ADV Dub of Macross. That particular dub suffers horrendously from being far too literal to the original Japanese version (you try saying the word "Batroid" in English without making is sound awkward), and Robotech actually managed to preserve quite a few scenes unaltered. That said, cuts and edits were made to tie it in with two other unrelated Anime and for Saturday Morning Syndication, so take that as you will.
- SoltyRei. The main protagonist is essentially Anime Bruce Willis.
- Digimon Tamers (aka, Season 3). Holy shit, a Season of Digimon that's surprisingly good and managed to avoid many of the 9/11 edits that were passing around at the time?
- G Gundam. Hey kids, you like Giant Robots? You like insanity? Meet the grandaddy of shows like Gurren Lagan and Megas XLR!
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Pretty much an Anime free of my usual berzerk buttons.
- Robotech. You laugh but I've seen the outright dreadful ADV Dub of Macross. That particular dub suffers horrendously from being far too literal to the original Japanese version (you try saying the word "Batroid" in English without making is sound awkward), and Robotech actually managed to preserve quite a few scenes unaltered. That said, cuts and edits were made to tie it in with two other unrelated Anime and for Saturday Morning Syndication, so take that as you will.
- SoltyRei. The main protagonist is essentially Anime Bruce Willis.
- Digimon Tamers (aka, Season 3). Holy shit, a Season of Digimon that's surprisingly good and managed to avoid many of the 9/11 edits that were passing around at the time?
- G Gundam. Hey kids, you like Giant Robots? You like insanity? Meet the grandaddy of shows like Gurren Lagan and Megas XLR!
While I very much liked Attack on Titan, I can agree with your issues with it. First half of the anime? Excellent, fast paced, things were happening. Even though they spent 7 episodes on a single battle, things were always moving forward. Second half of the anime? Should have been cut down massively. It easily could have been half as many episodes. I loved the introduction of the female titan, they built her up to be something terrifying and formidable. But after the first episode with her (and a bit before that too) things just went to such a crawl.
- Not based on a manga
- Short and sweet, only 11 episodes
- THINGS HAPPEN
- Has the two best episodes in anime
However...
- It spends a fair amount of time on character development. I liked this, because things are happening, it's a character driven story and by moving the characters you were also moving the plot
- Ending is a little anticlimactic
I'm someone who has a hard time saying I like anime because that feels the same as saying I like TV or movies. The majority of the anime I've seen, just like television, I haven't been a fan of. If anything anime is a step down because of all of the tropes. That being said, there's been a lot of anime I've liked, and a couple I've loved. So I'd say it's worth looking deeper into it because it's not all Naruto or DBZ.
Also, I thought Cowboy Bebop was just alright
First one I thought of. While I can't say anything about the localization if you're looking for dubbed (unless you count the subbed version on netflix as the localization) it sidesteps most of your problems with anime.[Kira Must Die said:
- Not based on a manga
- Short and sweet, only 11 episodes
- THINGS HAPPEN
- Has the two best episodes in anime
However...
- It spends a fair amount of time on character development. I liked this, because things are happening, it's a character driven story and by moving the characters you were also moving the plot
- Ending is a little anticlimactic
I'm someone who has a hard time saying I like anime because that feels the same as saying I like TV or movies. The majority of the anime I've seen, just like television, I haven't been a fan of. If anything anime is a step down because of all of the tropes. That being said, there's been a lot of anime I've liked, and a couple I've loved. So I'd say it's worth looking deeper into it because it's not all Naruto or DBZ.
Also, I thought Cowboy Bebop was just alright
The best anime that translate well to... anime are probably those done first as a medium itself - Anime for the sake of having an anime rather than an adaptation of a manga or other source. Second to that, I have found that light novel or novel adaptations tend to be better, as they have more WRITING behind it than an artist/writer hybrid. In some cases there might be exceptions in things like Death Note that had a writer/artist combo.
Some of my top suggestions? Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (GITS is probably the best example of cyberpunk I have ever seen). Code Geass (The first season is MUCH better), Sword of the Stranger (Is a movie). Baccano! and Durarara (Even if they were done by different companies. A few crossover gags were lost because you would never recognize the character voices. Both light novel translations) Ergo Proxy. Stein's Gate. When They Cry. Madoka Magica. Eureka Seven.
Another note that's more for trivia: Gundam was done by the creator with an impressive amount of work put into the series. Mobile Suits were never intended to be used on planets, and their design was only because of the unique environment space required - as well as a bunch of invented technology that actually explains a lot of space-combat tropes instead of it being handwaved or ignored).
Some of my top suggestions? Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (GITS is probably the best example of cyberpunk I have ever seen). Code Geass (The first season is MUCH better), Sword of the Stranger (Is a movie). Baccano! and Durarara (Even if they were done by different companies. A few crossover gags were lost because you would never recognize the character voices. Both light novel translations) Ergo Proxy. Stein's Gate. When They Cry. Madoka Magica. Eureka Seven.
Another note that's more for trivia: Gundam was done by the creator with an impressive amount of work put into the series. Mobile Suits were never intended to be used on planets, and their design was only because of the unique environment space required - as well as a bunch of invented technology that actually explains a lot of space-combat tropes instead of it being handwaved or ignored).
Kind of disappointed, they spent all their time discussing localization, when there are serious narrative flaws in AoT that I was expecting to be addressed. I don't often watch No Right Answer, and I don think I'll become a regular, it's a shame you guys didn't have some relevant criticism, like the pacing issues you made little mention of, which is a huge problem for all anime.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the premise of the show, but it seemed kind of shallow. Unless the main topic was solely localization, which really isn't an issue exclusive to AoT, so the title seems misleading if that is the case.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the premise of the show, but it seemed kind of shallow. Unless the main topic was solely localization, which really isn't an issue exclusive to AoT, so the title seems misleading if that is the case.