Not entirely against your overall argument, but this is a false analogy right here. Work places are a public domain and public property. Your yard is private property. One brick in your yard isn't going to keep any off your property, but unless you actually invited those people, then those people are intruding onto your private property without your permission, which is a no. If a wall of bricks needs to come down, it's for the purpose of setting up a better wall to keep intruders out.Mcoffey said:
No Right Answer: Is Sexy Bad?
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Nah, how i think he thought was, I'm a smart guy, I'm at the top of my career, this is the crowning achievement of my life and my friend, she just gave me a great shirt she designed. I'd wear it for that occasion it's special.Rahkshi500 said:
I know I was joking before at no point I'd ever say to myself, man people are going to care about my shirt, this coloured piece of cloth surrounding my upper half.
And the man definitely did not deserve the harassment he , poor guy.
I just love how something as amazing as landing a fucking man made object on a FUCKING COMET, a mission that had been 10 years in the making has been ignored and brought down to what piece of meat someone has between their legs and the fact a man had some drawings of sexy girls on the piece of cloth he wore on his upper body, you fucking pathetic little monkeys. Go back to sharpening sticks and worshipping the sun.
Plus you ruined the best day of that guy's life. Fuck you.
Plus you ruined the best day of that guy's life. Fuck you.
It's a Jolly good job the bastard wasn't wearing a Fedora or the Crater from his being Nuked from orbit, dare say Femin-Nuked would last for all time.
Tongue in cheek, get over yorselves.
Tongue in cheek, get over yorselves.
Here's a simple rule that I've recently designed based on all the things that have been happening lately, and it's served me well.
Does the content of this movie/book/game/show/shirt/etc. have anything that could possibly arouse or sexually interest a straight male? If yes, then it IS sexist.
Does the content of this movie/book/game/show/shirt/etc. have anything that could possibly arouse or sexually interest a straight woman, gay male, gay woman, or anyone else you'd like to add? If yes OR no, then it is NOT sexist.
Does the content of this movie/book/game/show/shirt/etc. have anything that could possibly arouse or sexually interest a straight male? If yes, then it IS sexist.
Does the content of this movie/book/game/show/shirt/etc. have anything that could possibly arouse or sexually interest a straight woman, gay male, gay woman, or anyone else you'd like to add? If yes OR no, then it is NOT sexist.
Getting directly to the question at hand, "sexy" is a tool. Like a hammer, maybe? You can build bridges with it, or you can smash in someone's skull. It can be a symbol of hope, or one of oppression. It's all in how it's used, and who it's used for.
Honestly, if people are upset, then maybe you're swinging it at people a bit too much.
Honestly, if people are upset, then maybe you're swinging it at people a bit too much.
Methinks you missed the joke. It was to point out that everyone but a straight guy could wear/watch/play/read anything and not be made to feel bad about it, but if a straight male like myself enjoys anything of a sexual nature, then apparently I hate women and only view them as sexual objects.Digi7 said:
I hope that was sarcasm. I mean, I'm fairly certain it was sarcasm. Right? Surely you're not suggesting that anything that directly appeals or is meant to sexually interest a particular gender/sexual orientation (in this case, straight men) is inherently sexist? While everyone else is fair game? Because if that's the case, then that is a clear example of a really ugly double standard.LysanderNemoinis said:
EDIT: Lysander, sorry! I see you responded to someone else before I posted this and it was actually sarcasm. Phew.
Ignore the above paragraph then.Regardless, I found the guy's shirt completely adorkable, in a comic-book geek sort of way, and while it might not have been 100% appropriate (It's basically a hawaiian shirt, right? That all-over printed design kind of shirt? Way too casual for a conference/interview of that magnitude, even a fashion newb like me can see that) the backlash the guy got was, in my mind, completely inappropriate.
The internet P.C. watchdogs have reduced one of the brightest people of the nation to a teary mess, on camera. The occasion that should've been the crowning achievement of his career became a P.R. nightmare over a custom-made hawaiian shirt. Congratulations, SocJus Police, congratulations. Incidentally, the narrative that got pushed out was also indirectly harming their obvious agenda to get more women into STEM fields, by making it seem probably a hell of a lot more sexist than it actually is. Of course, when people twist definitions like "sexist" and "harrassment" to include just tons of stuff they generally disagree with, it becomes difficult to actually know exactly what the heck they're angry about. And to discern just how "true" any given statement might be.
I disagree SO MUCH with the way the media handled the backlash, publishing and re-publishing the click-baity whining of people with too much time on their hands and too high of a soapbox to stand on. But hey, once again, I'm sure all that ad revenue was worth it. It's not like they had a huge story about the technological intricacies of landing a man-made object on a moving comet for the first time in history to cover or anything.
Also, that shirt with the cowboys is awesome. I'd prefer knights, though.
Not to be rude but that sounds like a meaningless definition that most people will reject.Ikajo said:
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:sigh: This is silly. A person can be sexy if they decide to be sexy, but finding someone else attractive is sexualization and wrong/bad? Do you know how silly this is? This can't be what you mean right?Ikajo said:
Yep that is exactly what you mean but worse. Bayonetta can't even chose to be sexy because of the male gaze of the camera now.Ikajo said:
listen I am sorry to pick on you, but were did you get this idea about sex and sexualization?
Yet if history is any indication people might be annoyed over men being hired over women. Women being isolated, and excluded will all take a back seat to the real issue... anything involving sex will pretty much be more important then the rest of that.Mcoffey said:
Is sexy bad? That depends if you're an anti-sex feminist or a pro-sex feminist. The anti-sex feminist would say that it is objectifying and symbolizes an oppressive patriarchy. The pro-sex feminist would say that sexuality is a beautiful thing and should never be shamed or censored.
Would Shirtgate happen if it was a woman wearing a shirt with a bunch of naked, sexy men? What if it was a homosexual (male or female) wearing one? Personally, I believe that the sides would be flipped, and SJWs would be defending the minority's freedom of expression.
Would Shirtgate happen if it was a woman wearing a shirt with a bunch of naked, sexy men? What if it was a homosexual (male or female) wearing one? Personally, I believe that the sides would be flipped, and SJWs would be defending the minority's freedom of expression.
You know, the shirt thing reminds me of how pissed off I am at my mother when she refuses to use the walmart checker with the nose ring. It in no way impacts the job, but never let that stop someone from being judgmental based on appearance.
The shirt gets called inappropriate for work because we as a society still hold to the BS idea that professionals wear suits. He also can't have tattoos, piercings aside from an earing (and that's a maybe), dye his hair the color of an anime character, have facial scars, or anything that goes away from our view of a professional in a suit and tie. The logic isn't far removed from the idea that he'd also have to be a he or a certain skin color and sexual orientation to be taken seriously. Bitching about the shirt just shows how far we haven't gotten in judging people by their actions, not how they look.
Of course that denies the fact that for many, it's the shirt, not the shirt at the workplace they're really attacking (bet you anything that if it was just a tacky Hawaiian shirt, no one would care), and they're just trying to not come off like people demanding their morals be adhered to by others. The reality is sexy and sexist is in the eye of the beholder, and there's no universal standard for offensive, so I fall on the side of not setting any precedent about taking actions to avoid offending people, because there's always someone with harsher standard than you. My above mentioned mother hates foul language, sex, violence, and her parents go further with religious standards upset about anything that goes against the bible. Fortunately, that just means they don't watch much TV.
The guy landed something on a comet, and he can come out in Sailor Moon cosplay for all I care.
The shirt gets called inappropriate for work because we as a society still hold to the BS idea that professionals wear suits. He also can't have tattoos, piercings aside from an earing (and that's a maybe), dye his hair the color of an anime character, have facial scars, or anything that goes away from our view of a professional in a suit and tie. The logic isn't far removed from the idea that he'd also have to be a he or a certain skin color and sexual orientation to be taken seriously. Bitching about the shirt just shows how far we haven't gotten in judging people by their actions, not how they look.
Of course that denies the fact that for many, it's the shirt, not the shirt at the workplace they're really attacking (bet you anything that if it was just a tacky Hawaiian shirt, no one would care), and they're just trying to not come off like people demanding their morals be adhered to by others. The reality is sexy and sexist is in the eye of the beholder, and there's no universal standard for offensive, so I fall on the side of not setting any precedent about taking actions to avoid offending people, because there's always someone with harsher standard than you. My above mentioned mother hates foul language, sex, violence, and her parents go further with religious standards upset about anything that goes against the bible. Fortunately, that just means they don't watch much TV.
The guy landed something on a comet, and he can come out in Sailor Moon cosplay for all I care.
Okay... first and foremost, it was a tacky and unprofessional shirt choice, bringing up classical art in comparison to it or rockstars in comparison to him is a bit of a false equivalency, now was it sexist... ehh... if it was, then it's only a minor symptom, not the disease itself, more the result of a lack of thought than any actual intent to be a dick.