I don't know, I'm wondering that myself, haha. I feel like Chris just says things that don't make any sense some times.draythefingerless said:
No Right Answer: Most Overrated Videogame
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i think he used to be one of those linky die hard fans back when their good albums came out, then saw Transformers...and a bit of his heart got bitter rotten and disgustingly twisted, turning him into the critical debater he is now.Shotgun Guy said:
or you know, bullshit.
I'll give it to Final Fantasy VII, merely because it's somehow managed to age well. Goldeneye, conversely, is remembered well, but the age lines started showing a long time ago haven't stopped coming. VII is aging, no doubt, but it's just below that "cougar" line, where it remembers being the hottest thing around, but isn't anymore, times having been a bit hard.
Wait...if FF VII is almost a cougar...
Does that make something like Chrono Trigger a Silver Fox?
Wait...if FF VII is almost a cougar...
Does that make something like Chrono Trigger a Silver Fox?
Then again without golden eye we wouldn't have Halo, GoW or RAGE, ID software would still make Qake and Epic would do UT...MonkeyPunch said:
OMG! Golden Eye is not overrated, it was the the ANTICHRIST! It should burn!!!111
Edit: BTW, Skyrim is an amazing game, one of the best EVER!!onene!
[small]on the computer, with sck and heavily modded, otherwise i wouldnt even touch it[/small]
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And there is your right answer. Was a good game, but nowhere near the praise it gets, even most of the Zelda fanboys will admit it wasn't the most innovative or the best of the series.Alakaizer said:
Ocarina of Time, Half-Life, Secret of Monkey Island, Modern Warfare 3, GTA IV, Metal Gear Solid 2. All worthy candidates in addition to the two discussed.
In defense of FF7: It has the best story of the FF franchise. (period) FF6 is its only competition. No game has better used its story as an allegory to examine the video game player without being outright hostile towards them (see MGS2).
Jenova remains one of the most compellingly mysterious RPG antagonists of all-time, cthulu-like in its origins and motivations, while the portrayal of Shinra is one of the most relevant and powerful video game critiques of corporations in our own societies.
Cloud is NOT the typical JRPG angsty emo kid because the game points to how pathetic his angst is and how he is in all likelihood repressing his homosexuality. Compare that to Squall who IS just a typical angsty emo kid. Meanwhile FF9 is frankly a kids story and the characters in FF10 are all unbearably annoying save for Auron and Kimahri (because he doesn't talk).
The battle mechanics are shallow and the 3d graphics are bad only in so far as the game has aged. Besides, no one tends to over-rate these aspects of the game.
Basically I'm suggesting that FF7 does in fact have one of the greatest stories in video game history, definitely a top fiver out of the games I've personally played. In virtue of that alone, I don't think it is too over-rated when people laud the story. Also, Nobuo Uematsu did the score and that's got to count for something!
Are any of those other over-rated games a top-5 in some key aspect of video gaming?
In defense of FF7: It has the best story of the FF franchise. (period) FF6 is its only competition. No game has better used its story as an allegory to examine the video game player without being outright hostile towards them (see MGS2).
Jenova remains one of the most compellingly mysterious RPG antagonists of all-time, cthulu-like in its origins and motivations, while the portrayal of Shinra is one of the most relevant and powerful video game critiques of corporations in our own societies.
Cloud is NOT the typical JRPG angsty emo kid because the game points to how pathetic his angst is and how he is in all likelihood repressing his homosexuality. Compare that to Squall who IS just a typical angsty emo kid. Meanwhile FF9 is frankly a kids story and the characters in FF10 are all unbearably annoying save for Auron and Kimahri (because he doesn't talk).
The battle mechanics are shallow and the 3d graphics are bad only in so far as the game has aged. Besides, no one tends to over-rate these aspects of the game.
Basically I'm suggesting that FF7 does in fact have one of the greatest stories in video game history, definitely a top fiver out of the games I've personally played. In virtue of that alone, I don't think it is too over-rated when people laud the story. Also, Nobuo Uematsu did the score and that's got to count for something!
Are any of those other over-rated games a top-5 in some key aspect of video gaming?
I agree completely. I found myself watching the in-game TV to avoid your cousin and other characters annoying me.The_root_of_all_evil said:Unsurprisingly, I disagree.
Goldeneye still has some really good things (The Pause music for a start)
FF7 still tells a story with some really tear-jerking moments.
You wanna know what's really over-rated?
This is the most exciting it gets. Dull, whiney, road movie of a game that seems to forget about stealing cars and turns it into Babysitter Missions ad nauseum.
It's a Birmingham New Street of a game, it's a Paris, Texas of a game, it's a Da Vinci Code of a game.
And it doesn't even have a good radio.
I am a huge FFVII fan though, not going to lie. My favorite thing about it was it had so much to do in it. Very few JRPGs bring that many different things to the table. Golden saucer, defending the reactor. Leveling material and raising chocobos. The ambiguity of Shinra. And the first game to creep me out in the Shinra building.
The problem with the Final Fantasy community is the same with CoD community (the people that like it): the community itself fights and bickers over the games, and then those outside the community jump on the bandwagon.
I love Chris even more now for two new reasons:
1) That shirt. I must have.
2) Sharing my opinion that FF6 is the best.
1) That shirt. I must have.
2) Sharing my opinion that FF6 is the best.
I love FF7, but it's not unfair to call it over-rated. Mainly because people seem to compare it to modern games. Ther are many ways and reasons that FF7 pales compared to modern games. That being said, at the time it was released it was completely worthy of respect. The game popularized RPGS. Brought them more mainstream. I love RPGs and without FF7 I might not. So, yes, FF7 holds a special place in my heart. But if people insist it is the best game of all time they are doing it no favors. Best RPG of its age or even best game of its age, you could argue, though.
So, you guys wanna do some more video game related episodes? Can I suggest Most Underrated Game for an episode? That could be a good follow up. I'd humbly suggest Suikoden II if not the Suikoden series. Also, Hardest Game of All Time. Okay, we already know it will be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on the Nintendo, so maybe that isn't fair.
So, you guys wanna do some more video game related episodes? Can I suggest Most Underrated Game for an episode? That could be a good follow up. I'd humbly suggest Suikoden II if not the Suikoden series. Also, Hardest Game of All Time. Okay, we already know it will be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on the Nintendo, so maybe that isn't fair.
I would like to point out that FF7's Materia system got blasted for turning everyone into "the same people except Limit Breaks." FF6's Esper system had "the same people with different sub skills" got a free pass. The difference here is no one made a FUCKING MOVIE...and Kefka. Speaking of which, Advent Children sucks balls, even as fanservice products go. The game deserves praise for being the craziest, bloodiest, and most sexually perverse in the series. If Persona 3 and 4 got M ratings, VII sure fit that tone too. Compare VII to any shojo harem anime knockoff these days and VII beats them to death with stones.
I still find it strange Ocarina of Time didn't get put in this position. God knows those two games have been eternally linked in contest after contest since creation. I think the only reason Goldeneye was mentioned was so we avoid another "FFVII/OoT discussion."
I still find it strange Ocarina of Time didn't get put in this position. God knows those two games have been eternally linked in contest after contest since creation. I think the only reason Goldeneye was mentioned was so we avoid another "FFVII/OoT discussion."
Being partial for RPGs over FPSes, I have to say Goldeneye is the more overrated one.
Both are great games, but neither game holds up to today's standards, even if their graphics were up to date.
For their time though, they were fantastic.
You've never played the game but still think it's the one that's more overrated.
Good job.
Both are great games, but neither game holds up to today's standards, even if their graphics were up to date.
For their time though, they were fantastic.
What.JaceArveduin said:
You've never played the game but still think it's the one that's more overrated.
Good job.
Not a very well conducted debate to be honest, seemed almost like it was set up to blast Final Fantasy VII more than anything.
In the end the bottom line is both are aging games with substantial fan bases. Goldeneye should probably have "won" as being more overrated though given that it's had a remake which failed to sell, and has so far yet to carry any successful spin off property. Other games like "Perfect Dark" might have used a lot of the same code, but you didn't see an actual "Goldeneye Sidestory" or whatever being released successfully. On the other hand "Final Fantasy VII" has lead to literally decades of merchandise being moved, with other games... crap or not, being released to massive success not to mention multiple movies (like the anime movie versions of the Crisis Core story that never saw official US release... before you even get into Advent Children).
See, it's hard to say "Final Fantasy VII" wasn't all that, or hasn't stood up well, when you look at the juggernaut it turned into. Even if a remake was done, and it failed, it's impossible to say it hasn't carried more than Goldeneye ever did. Indeed Goldeneye is mostly notable as being one of the few movie tie-in games that didn't blow chips, it really innovated very little even if it did get attention due to it's liscence (as was mentioned), just about everything in Goldeneye had been done by someone beforehand.
Opinions vary, but I think this "debate" should have been conducted very differantly. I think part of the problem was Goldeneye was being treated as too much of a sacred cow by two FPS junkies.
That said, I was hoping for something a bit more recent and relevent, a Halo Vs. Mass Effect throw down (which someone mentioned dreading) would have been more entertaining.
When it comes to that paticular debate it's a hard one to call because your basically dealing with a shooter series that became a blockbuster by being the first mainstream FPS shooter that didn't blow chips on a console... and which was intentionally throwing out every sci-fi and shooter trope it could, and Mass Effect which was largely successful due to trying to imitate a series of RPGs the creator no longer had a single player liscence for, and which also proceeded to randomly toss out every science fiction trope they could. Halo being a retread of the space marine super-soldier, and Mass Effect being a science fiction shotgun trying to capture the magic of Star Wars without using any of it's IPs, and cribbing it's main bad guys/plotline from Fred Saberhagan's "Berserker" novels, hoping the audience would be too young to realize that and think yesterday's painful stereotype would come accross as being innovative (Saberhagan wrote a good number of Berserker novels and short stories, in the 1980s and early 1990s mentioning Berserkers among geeks playing tabletop sci-fi games like Traveller, was similar to mentioning Cthulhu in more fantasy oriented scenarios... more or less the quinteseential no-win scenario for all intents and purposes... even the development of the plot in Mass Effect bears some similarities to how the universe was eventually saved from The Berserkers... but I won't spoil plot details for those who might be interested in reading some truely classic stuff... which will also make you see Mass Effect from a somewhat differant perspective from then on if you had been lionizing it and the reapers as the most creative thing ever like many people hav... good series, especially when it was still an rPG as opposed to a cinematic shooter, but it is indeed highly overrated).
In the end the bottom line is both are aging games with substantial fan bases. Goldeneye should probably have "won" as being more overrated though given that it's had a remake which failed to sell, and has so far yet to carry any successful spin off property. Other games like "Perfect Dark" might have used a lot of the same code, but you didn't see an actual "Goldeneye Sidestory" or whatever being released successfully. On the other hand "Final Fantasy VII" has lead to literally decades of merchandise being moved, with other games... crap or not, being released to massive success not to mention multiple movies (like the anime movie versions of the Crisis Core story that never saw official US release... before you even get into Advent Children).
See, it's hard to say "Final Fantasy VII" wasn't all that, or hasn't stood up well, when you look at the juggernaut it turned into. Even if a remake was done, and it failed, it's impossible to say it hasn't carried more than Goldeneye ever did. Indeed Goldeneye is mostly notable as being one of the few movie tie-in games that didn't blow chips, it really innovated very little even if it did get attention due to it's liscence (as was mentioned), just about everything in Goldeneye had been done by someone beforehand.
Opinions vary, but I think this "debate" should have been conducted very differantly. I think part of the problem was Goldeneye was being treated as too much of a sacred cow by two FPS junkies.
That said, I was hoping for something a bit more recent and relevent, a Halo Vs. Mass Effect throw down (which someone mentioned dreading) would have been more entertaining.
When it comes to that paticular debate it's a hard one to call because your basically dealing with a shooter series that became a blockbuster by being the first mainstream FPS shooter that didn't blow chips on a console... and which was intentionally throwing out every sci-fi and shooter trope it could, and Mass Effect which was largely successful due to trying to imitate a series of RPGs the creator no longer had a single player liscence for, and which also proceeded to randomly toss out every science fiction trope they could. Halo being a retread of the space marine super-soldier, and Mass Effect being a science fiction shotgun trying to capture the magic of Star Wars without using any of it's IPs, and cribbing it's main bad guys/plotline from Fred Saberhagan's "Berserker" novels, hoping the audience would be too young to realize that and think yesterday's painful stereotype would come accross as being innovative (Saberhagan wrote a good number of Berserker novels and short stories, in the 1980s and early 1990s mentioning Berserkers among geeks playing tabletop sci-fi games like Traveller, was similar to mentioning Cthulhu in more fantasy oriented scenarios... more or less the quinteseential no-win scenario for all intents and purposes... even the development of the plot in Mass Effect bears some similarities to how the universe was eventually saved from The Berserkers... but I won't spoil plot details for those who might be interested in reading some truely classic stuff... which will also make you see Mass Effect from a somewhat differant perspective from then on if you had been lionizing it and the reapers as the most creative thing ever like many people hav... good series, especially when it was still an rPG as opposed to a cinematic shooter, but it is indeed highly overrated).
Eyup, that's what happens when you end up with a handful of people who drool over the game. It can be good, yes, but it seems blown out of proportion to an extreme extent.Denamic said:
mhmm. know what else happens? It completely invalidates your opinion.JaceArveduin said:
This. This episode seemed more or less to give people an opportunity to play the role anti-fanboy. And look at how many people are eating it up. I am disappoint.Vault101 said:
