No Right Answer: Most Overrated Videogame

[LogicNProportion]

>Recolored enemies through FF7

...wat?

I think the wolves and fish-people did that...otherwise...errrr, no. <,<

As far as 'The first to do ________?' While other games may have spiky hair or big swords, FF7 made these things famous.

Also, each character DOES have different statistics and growth areas, much like Pokemon. Just because Ponyta and Growlithe can use the same moves, doesn't make them the same Pokemon, does it? Anybody with knowledge of the metagame will cockslap you if you suggest that they're the same.

Also, FF7 is a landmark title as its seen as the RPG that brought 3D to the genre.

This is why I have trouble watching this show, Chris is obnoxious and is awarded points for things he is wrong about. If he was in my nerdy group of friends he would be eaten alive. :U

 

[veloper]

FF7 is a good candidate for most overrated. Only fair Goldeneye lost.

It's not hard to find too many games with perfect scores, so you should nominate that 10/10 game that was worst of the bunch.
I'd pick Oblivion in the RPG category, but FF7 can still compete for terrible dialogue, stupid plot, bad gameplay and overrated graphics.

Care to explain your points or just come off as an uninformed troll?

Sure, if you like.

Dialogues in Oblivion is soulless and uninspired and repeated by the same handful of "voice-actors", with the same NPCs even switching between accents and tone.
FF7 dialogues sometimes broach serious subjects, but the manner in which this is done is childish and inane. I get the target audience is kids, but even teenagers are smarter than that.
For Oblivion and FF7 both the dialogue problem can summarized as this: real people don't talk like that, it's like the writers have no clue about human interaction.

Plots for both games the plot can be summed up as big bad wants to rule the world and you have to stop it. As if we haven't done that many times before.

Gameplay. Oblivion doesn't have good twitch combat like Dark Messiah, but neither does it involve tactics. That leaves the only interesting piece of play could have come from building and progressing your character, but NPC and mobs that scale 1:1 with your character level put an end to that. It destroys any sense of progress and the player can simply underlevel to defeat the whole game. The dumbed down skillssets compared to the previous installments don't help here either.
FF7 combat is TB, which could be fine in itself, but that means challenge can only come from tactical encounters. This is not the case. Player options are too limited because similar to make the game deep. Worse still is throwing basicly the same encounter at the player again and again. That's just a complete waste of time, because you alreay figured out how to beat them the first time. Given what a repetitive treadmill FF7 is that makes it a mindless chore.

Graphics. Bethesada do the worst animation in the AAA games industry still to this date. Oblivion is no exception, with it's wooden characters. Character models and heads terrible and primitive hardware at the time is no excuse: compare to the heads and models in Half-life2 released a couple years earlier. All Oblivion had was some pretty, if uninspired, rural scenery and lot's of bloom and that alone was enough to the fans love it.
FF7's in-game visuals are a horrible, spiky and jagged mess. The prettier, non-interactive, cutscenes on the disc were enough to make the fans love it, but what they should have done instead is rent a movie.

 

[Fortesque]

Eh, I like FFVII. It was a good game.

I dont get why VI is so popular. It was fucking boring and had crap characters.

OT: I think Deus Ex or OoT are the most over-rated. Both are just awful

 

[Sovereignty]

I hope they do underrated titles next.

Seriously, no one ever gives any love for Rune Viking Warlord, or Gladius.

 

[Rheinmetall]

Not even the most fanatic FF 7 players, like myself, don't say that it is the best game of all times. Far from it. But it was a milestone in gaming. It put rpg on the map.

 

[veloper]

Not even the most fanatic FF 7 players, like myself, don't say that it is the best game of all times. Far from it. But it was a milestone in gaming. It put rpg on the map.

Dungeons and Dragons already did that. Both on tabletop and on the screen.

 

[Simonoly]

the term "over-rated" just seems to be a phrase we can use to take a stab at popular things we dont like...

...so in the spirit of that I'll say Oblivion and Skyrim

This. Exactly this. I avoid using the term as much as possible to avoid coming across as an arrogant turd sitting on a pedestal of gaming enlightenment. I'm really not a fan of either the Halo or Assassin's Creed games, but I can see why they are so popular and me saying they are overrated, is pretty meaningless. But yes, I too shall get into the spirit of things by saying that all GTA games are overrated and anyone who likes them is herp-to-the-derp stupid and only I can see them for what they really are: overrated.

 

[BrotherRool]

We need a Metal Gear Solid debate. Most divisive game? I don't know what would go on the other side (FFX?)

the term "over-rated" just seems to be a phrase we can use to take a stab at popular things we dont like...

...so in the spirit of that I'll say Oblivion and Skyrim

This. Exactly this. I avoid using the term as much as possible to avoid coming across as an arrogant turd sitting on a pedestal of gaming enlightenment. I'm really not a fan of either the Halo or Assassin's Creed games, but I can see why they are so popular and me saying they are overrated, is pretty meaningless. But yes, I too shall get into the spirit of things by saying that all GTA games are overrated and anyone who likes them is herp-to-the-derp stupid and only I can see them for what they really are: overrated.

I'm not convinced, they liked Golden Eye. I like Skyrim but is it the best thing since cream sauce? Probably not. GTA IV is the most highly rated metacritic game ever. It's fun, but is it that good? No it's pretty darn flawed.

I enjoyed FFVII a lot but it can't be the one JRPG to judge all other JRPGs with. Planescape...Planescape might deserve it's praise, the combat is terrible but there is so much good I think it deserves to be known as one of the best written games ever

EDIT: Hmm you are write with some things. If I were to call CoD or Halo overrated I would be doing this. I think the difference is that there really is a large established base that don't like Halo/CoD so it's not actually overrated, because you know, the dislike is well established. And the people who like CoD and Halo don't think it's overrated which is a huge thing, because you can find plenty of people who like FFVII but recognise it's not what people say it is.

I think in many respects the difference is, Halo and CoD aren't overrated. For what they're famous for, tight set-pieces and revolutionising online multiplayer, well yeah they do do that. There are other multiplayer experiences you might prefer but they are different rather than outright better. Team Fortress 2, Battlefield, they're offering things which CoD isn't, not beating CoD

 

[Finalplayerryu]

The interexchangeability of each character or better said, every character could be used for the same is awesome, because you are not stuck with certain characters you might not like to play with. (ok, almost... Cloud you had to play with)

So i was always going with Tifa and Red XIII, my brother with Cid and Barret and my friends with some other combination and everyone could enjoy the game to the fullest without being limited, f.e. being stuck with some annoying chick because she is the only capable healer and so on.

But thats just that and even though i still think that FFVII was one of the best games EVAR, i have to say that i think its the most overrated game, because you cant go Final Fantasy xyz without someone going "FFVII this´n´that, so awesome, best game, etc etc" and the alone from the sheer amount of how often this happens it just deserves that title.


and Chris, weak love man... weak love... i declare that you fell down the pit of lamers filled with twelve year xbox live kiddies.

 

[Sylveria]

These are both games with historical significance to the genre, gaming as a whole, and the culture. I never understood the point of going after old games as if they're over-rated because the tech and features behind them aren't cutting edge 15+years later especially in an age where people are creaming their pants over "nostalgia" games and such so frequently.

If someone painted the Mona Lisa today, the artistic community would just assume wipe their ass with it, let alone consider it one of the most important pieces of art ever done. You can't judge historical pieces by modern day conventions.

 

[Hiroshi Mishima]

Soon as I saw the title, I instantly thought FFVII, and I've never even played any of the FF games.

This and Ocarina of Time were the two titles that sprang to mind instantly. I think a damning factor is that he's wearing a friggin' FF7-inpsired shirt (and not a very amusing one) while trying to condemn the game as being overrated.

There were so many flaws in FF7 that it balanced out the really good materia system and the excellent soundtrack, making it neither great nor awful and rounding out at average or mediocre at best. Mind you, the fact that 3-D RPGs became the new standard as a result haven't helped me fall in love with it either, but it isn't even the best example of an early generation 3-D game. The visuals were pretty awful outside the cutscenes, and they couldn't even fit everything onto 3 discs (which is why the extra characters never had cutscene time). The translation was pretty poor, far worse than some of the SNES RPGs. Don't get me started on how the franchise is being milked to death, either. I don't want the game remade, cause they'll just make it worse (like their "remake" of FF4, or their encorporating Chrono Cross crap into the DS version of Chrono Trigger).

As for Ocarina of Time, it was a decent game and certainly started a trend for Zelda games to come. That could be viewed as both good and bad, considering how few 2-D entries there have been since then. Not unlike how we've kind of had to write off 2-D Metroid titles, and Nintendo's last few entries have been subpar at best. But Ocarina? Poor writing, horrid ending, and very little character development. Majora's Mask outdid it in every way except possibly length.


EDIT: I should add that while I am a bit vitreous about some older games it isn't just for stuff like I mentioned above. It's cause you cannot have a new title released without all the gods-damned "fans" obsessing over a specific entry and saying how it'll "never top it", ala Ocarina of Time. Or, as I said earlier, milking it to death as Final Fantasy VII has seen, and IV to a lesser extent. I miss the days when Final Fantasy games didn't get sequels, they had proper endings, and would focus on fleshing everything out within each game.

I also wish people would get over Ocarina of Time already and acknowledge that some other games in the series have done as good if not better.

 

[The Great JT]

Bonus points for the shirt.

 

[thatfknninja]

i dont want to sound too harsh or offend. but this video reminded me theres a reason i only come here for zero punctuation.
that was very painful to watch. the only way you can have an honest and interesting debate is to do it naturally, without rehearsing and forgetting that the camera is there. the viewer wants to be a fly on the wall, not a participant in the conversation who is for some reason mute.
because you rehearse, everything is stilted and over expressed. its like watching some drunk guys trying to act.

just my 2c and i hope it helps you get more viewers.

and ps: a story never diminishes in worth. seeing as ff7 is primarily a story, i cant see you can say "it does not hold up anymore". its like saying charles dickens "does not hold up anymore". and also, every element from ff7 is still better than todays equivalent bar the graphics.

 

[MonkeyPunch]

Then again without golden eye we wouldn't have Halo, GoW or RAGE, ID software would still make Qake and Epic would do UT...

Disagree on both points.

First Person Shooters were being developed and released for consoles before Golden Eye and would have been even without Golden Eye's success. So we would have had the Halos and Rages even without Golden Eye.

Same with the second point which is actually a little off seeing as Epic's GoW isn't an FPS anyway and both Epic and id were always going to develop games for consoles seeing as that is where the market went. (id had already released Wolfenstein on consoles for example, prior to Golden Eye coming in to existence)

So yeah. You've actually added another point as to why Golden Eye might be overrated: Because people give it too much importance/credit such as thinking it was the reason FPS came to the consoles

 

[noreshadow]

both are overrated as the best ever,and are both clouded with nostalgia.

but finial fantasy 7 holds up a lot better than golden eye in terms of ageing, and lack of relevance.

Golden eyes story was, well, James bond, but without a real story. and there was nothing original about the game except how solid it was built for the time, and so is remembered fondly, the same way CoD will be remember as the "best game ever" 10 years from now, even though the current games then will be the exact same thing but with better Graphics, Mechanic's, ext.

it was just a marketing tool for a product. Its like having the same affinity for Chester Cheetah: Too Cool To Fool, or cool spot.


but like thatfknninja said the surreal story and setting elements of finial fantasy, although not really deserving of the praise it gets, are timeless. and was conceived as a work of art.


even in terms of nostalgia:

ff7 hearkens back to an age when japan's games were the titans of the industry. and the fun qwerks that came with that. witch for the most part are gone now.

golden eye ,however, was just the first step in the evolution of the genera as a whole that has come to almost completely consume the medium.

 

[Tanakh]

First Person Shooters were being developed and released for consoles before Golden Eye and would have been even without Golden Eye's success. So we would have had the Halos and Rages even without Golden Eye.

Same with the second point which is actually a little off seeing as Epic's GoW isn't an FPS anyway and both Epic and id were always going to develop games for consoles seeing as that is where the market went. (id had already released Wolfenstein on consoles for example, prior to Golden Eye coming in to existence)

So yeah. You've actually added another point as to why Golden Eye might be overrated: Because people give it too much importance/credit such as thinking it was the reason FPS came to the consoles

Yeah, but like any revisionism of history it is subjective. Would Obama be president without the history of slavery of african americans? Japan and the US fight without Germany? One could argue either way.

One could for example say that Golden Eye, while not being the first person game released on console, was indeed the first example of a game we might recognize as a modern FPS; delivering a solid experience with what was a very limited piece of hardware (cartridge had no space for half decent textures, N64 ram was a joke, no fucking mouse to aim!), and without doubt the first sucessful one. Sure, FPS made for consoles would have happened, but it's like saying the movies would have happened without Sergei Eisenstein, Charles Caplin or Georges Méliès, while true, it might not be the movies we know at all.

GoW isn't an FPS, but you can't deny the influence that Halo had in it. ID and Epic are both shooter focused companies, they know they can make a good shooter that sells, they know they have little experience outside that; without golden eye showing it was possible to make it big with shooters in consoles, making the sudden changes they made and walk away from the PC would be a very risky move, again, it might have happened anyway, but i don't see John Carmack saying "well, fuck the PC, lets go consoles" without seeing a big FPS on that plataform (not neccesary golden eye, just one example of sucess there).

Lastly, I am not saying that it's the reason, I am saying that it was the pioneer there. Like Mario/DK for console plataformers wasn't the "reason" but it sure as hell is important for the genere and can be credited for part of it's historic development.

 

[Trillovinum]

Kyle was right... as he is most of the time... their quotation system is wrong.


I SUPPORT KYLE!

 

[noreshadow]

Halo was really the game that moved console shooters to the position of dominance they had over the last decade, and I doubt it would not have been made without golden eye. seeing how it did away with all the tropes of earlier shooters like golden eye: maze maps, multigun, limited health ext.

I don't know if that was necessarily a good thing, but it is what it was.

 

[wintercoat]

Just putting this out there, but FF7's final dungeon is filled with mobs that aren't found in any other dungeon. Also, Tifa was the only one with a large rack, and she didn't wear any low cut or revealing clothes.

Goldeneye was an okay game. I've never understood the praise it got.

 

[runnernda]

I don't think Goldeneye was overrated. I love that game and the remake (although I will admit that playing it with the Wiimote makes me want to shoot myself in the face. Go go gadget classic controller!). But I've never played FFVII, so I can't truly participate in the debate portion.

My issue is this: are you really allowed to have a quote from a movie be your quote of the week? Come on, guys. You're better than that.