The Watchmen movie was really really good. I liked it more than the book, even though the book was good, too. Really great looking movie with really strong and memorable performances.
No Right Answer: The Killing Joke vs Watchmen
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I stand corrected, I thought Killing Joke came out before DKR.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Regardless, I still find the watchman to be more important.
Good, but for his Superman, I much prefer:The Great JT said:I'd say it's a tie. Watchmen was incredible (and the movie was pretty good too), The Killing Joke was incredible, but you want to know what the true best Alan Moore story was?
No love for Miracle Man?Hoplon said:This.The_root_of_all_evil said:V for vendetta?
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?
Skizz?
Halo Jones?
D.R. and Quinch?
Swamp Thing?
Hellblazer?
ABC Warriors?
Doctor Who? (Comic only)
Killing Joke spawned the Miller series, so loses points.
Watchmen is only his most well-known work, not his best.
Like last week, it's not "No Right Answer" it's "Not The Right Candidates".
The Ballard of Halo Jones is way better. It was in 2000 AD though so they may have an excuse for missing it.
Picking the most popular works of Alan Moore doesn't necessarily make them the best. Anyway, he is so consistent in the quality of his writing, it is impossible to pick his 'best'. And I have to watch it again, but did Chris tell Alan Moore to 'shut up and enjoy your movies'? If so, the balls on that man.
I don't agree with the result. Yeah, "Killing Joke" is one of Batmans must-reads, but for Moore it's just a good comic. Watchmen is an amazing, epic work that is hard to compare to the Killing Joke.
But honestly, I think that the best book is "V for Venndetta"
But honestly, I think that the best book is "V for Venndetta"
Watchmen's a thousand times better in my opinion. Though I might still put V for Vendetta first.
I have to agree with Killing Joke there but I also loved The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Hellblazer, so...
I've got to come clean, I only watched the show because of the Watchmen and Killing Joke connection.
I'm not happy about Chris winning, not because Killing Joke is inferior in any way, but because his arguments were utter crap. I'm glad they stopped plugging that bloody soda company at the end but, in fairness, he lost the argument the moment that smug grin refused to give way to an in depth and convincing argument. Comparing the two is a little flawed anyway, but I guess that's why it's 'No Right Answer'.
I'll agree that the ending of the movie was completely necessary as the graphic novel's ending worked only in that context.
That's about all I'll agree on, though.
I'm not happy about Chris winning, not because Killing Joke is inferior in any way, but because his arguments were utter crap. I'm glad they stopped plugging that bloody soda company at the end but, in fairness, he lost the argument the moment that smug grin refused to give way to an in depth and convincing argument. Comparing the two is a little flawed anyway, but I guess that's why it's 'No Right Answer'.
I'll agree that the ending of the movie was completely necessary as the graphic novel's ending worked only in that context.
That's about all I'll agree on, though.
From Hell is the best thing he's ever written. I see it as being his most mature work.
For this Watchman vs. The Killing Joke, I am a huge Batman fan but I have to give this one to Watchmen. It's a deconstruction of the superhero mythos and Rorschach is what a real life Batman would be like, a fascist borderline psychopath who has no friends. Superman would not be the kindly boyscout, he would be apathetic to us because we are inferior and we just don't learn. Captain American would be a government agent involved in wetwork. And a superhero's desire to "do good" actually makes him the villain.
The Killing Joke is great though, it's one of the first comic's to point out the irony of Batman being just as insane as the Joker.
For this Watchman vs. The Killing Joke, I am a huge Batman fan but I have to give this one to Watchmen. It's a deconstruction of the superhero mythos and Rorschach is what a real life Batman would be like, a fascist borderline psychopath who has no friends. Superman would not be the kindly boyscout, he would be apathetic to us because we are inferior and we just don't learn. Captain American would be a government agent involved in wetwork. And a superhero's desire to "do good" actually makes him the villain.
The Killing Joke is great though, it's one of the first comic's to point out the irony of Batman being just as insane as the Joker.
Living in Norway means i've hardly ever seen any graphic novels/comic books(type Marvel, D.C, Alan Moore... apparently) in stores so i've never actually gotten to read either of these.
As far as movies go i've seen Watchmen and V for Vendetta and i thought the latter was vastly superior.
As far as movies go i've seen Watchmen and V for Vendetta and i thought the latter was vastly superior.
I honestly prefer Grant Morrison over Alan Moore, but personally I think the Leauge of Extraordinary Gentlemen was my absolute favourite of his works, though Miracleman if it had been finished might be up there.
Also Chris annoys me, I hope Alan Moores curses him or something.
Also Chris annoys me, I hope Alan Moores curses him or something.
Alan Moore's best work is From Hell.
By far his best researched and most imaginative work that encompasses all the basic ideas of Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Killing Joke and Promethea and rolls them into a huge ball of pure awesome.
And otherwise it's Lost Girls cause who doesn't want to see Wendy going down on Peter Pan. ^_^
"They told me I didn't write comic books but rather graphic novels.
I felt like a hooker being called a lady of the night."
By far his best researched and most imaginative work that encompasses all the basic ideas of Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Killing Joke and Promethea and rolls them into a huge ball of pure awesome.
And otherwise it's Lost Girls cause who doesn't want to see Wendy going down on Peter Pan. ^_^
What was it Neil Gaiman said? Let's paraphrase:Jbird said:
"They told me I didn't write comic books but rather graphic novels.
I felt like a hooker being called a lady of the night."
I still need to get my hands on that one.Ignatz_Zwakh said:
My God. I don't think there's going to be a new epsiode next week. I think Chris will be in intensive care.
Well, I for one think all the movies based on Alan Moore's novels are crap! It's like, the Watchmen movie replaced the vagina-squid with an explosion to make Ozymandias's plot fit better with the at least quasi-realistic tone of the first 85% of the story? Heh heh, how does that work? And V for Vendetta made the protagonist slightly more sympathetic, which actually makes sense because the movie is told mostly from Evey's point of view, and she clearly saw V as a hero, so his morally ambiguous actions should naturally seem insignificant.. Er! But nevermind because that subverts the point of the comic, even though it totally doesn't because any idiot who's paying attention could see that V's a psychopath and just assuming that we're going to take the uplifting music's word for it is severely underestimating your audience. So stupid.
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Well, I for one think all the movies based on Alan Moore's novels are crap! It's like, the Watchmen movie replaced the vagina-squid with an explosion to make Ozymandias's plot fit better with the at least quasi-realistic tone of the first 85% of the story? Heh heh, how does that work? And V for Vendetta made the protagonist slightly more sympathetic, which actually makes sense because the movie is told mostly from Evey's point of view, and she clearly saw V as a hero, so his morally ambiguous actions should naturally seem insignificant.. Er! But nevermind because that subverts the point of the comic, even though it totally doesn't because any idiot who's paying attention could see that V's a psychopath and just assuming that we're going to take the uplifting music's word for it is severely underestimating your audience. So stupid.
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