Nolan Puts Official Title on Third Batman Flick
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It'll never happen...but what if robin was the villain? Not as Red Hood, but just plain ol Robin with a twisted origin story that makes him fucked up and such?
How about we look at just the facts.
We know that this film won't be containing Joker, Two-Face, Riddler or Penguin and through them, I doubt it would contain Harley Quinn either (though interesting she needs the Joker to play off, having her alone won't work.)
The previous two films have had a single word theme, being "Fear" and "Chaos" respectively. It's therefore possible that this film will also have a single word theme, possibly something which is also related to the things which Batman fights against.
At a random stab, I'm going for the one word theme to be something like "trust" or "honesty" as a possibility, as then it could also include the introduction of Robin (kudos to MovieBob for that idea) and then carry on with the idea of emotional as well as physical attacks on Gotham.
In that case, I'm gonna go for a female villain, more probably Poison Ivy than Catwoman but again I doubt that it will be either of them as they've both been used before.
All in all, female villain who causes Batman to feel he cannot trust anything and he eventually trusts Robin and they save Gotham. And they all have cake.
We know that this film won't be containing Joker, Two-Face, Riddler or Penguin and through them, I doubt it would contain Harley Quinn either (though interesting she needs the Joker to play off, having her alone won't work.)
The previous two films have had a single word theme, being "Fear" and "Chaos" respectively. It's therefore possible that this film will also have a single word theme, possibly something which is also related to the things which Batman fights against.
At a random stab, I'm going for the one word theme to be something like "trust" or "honesty" as a possibility, as then it could also include the introduction of Robin (kudos to MovieBob for that idea) and then carry on with the idea of emotional as well as physical attacks on Gotham.
In that case, I'm gonna go for a female villain, more probably Poison Ivy than Catwoman but again I doubt that it will be either of them as they've both been used before.
All in all, female villain who causes Batman to feel he cannot trust anything and he eventually trusts Robin and they save Gotham. And they all have cake.
Batman having his back broken by Bane is one of the iconic canon events in the comics and Bane is plausible if they don't do him as a cartoon Incredible Hulk-type thing.
Nolan stays well away from super-natural and science-fiction characters, putting a rational and realistic explanation on anything that seems mystical; like Scarecrow's gas and Rah'as Al Ghul being 'immortal' because he's simply an idea, anyone can assume the role of him- no Lazarus Pits. Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Mr Freeze and Clayface just simply can't do that without the serious kind of ret-conning given to Rah'as by Nolan.
Bane is the logical choice as performance enhancing chemicals are a reality now, just do away with the Hulk-like transformation.
Nolan stays well away from super-natural and science-fiction characters, putting a rational and realistic explanation on anything that seems mystical; like Scarecrow's gas and Rah'as Al Ghul being 'immortal' because he's simply an idea, anyone can assume the role of him- no Lazarus Pits. Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Mr Freeze and Clayface just simply can't do that without the serious kind of ret-conning given to Rah'as by Nolan.
Bane is the logical choice as performance enhancing chemicals are a reality now, just do away with the Hulk-like transformation.
...Do you realize what you've done? Now we just have to wait for Deviantart to read this and all of this debate is pointless. Because no-one will watch the film for fear of it looking like... I'm not going to even bother typing it out.floppylobster said:
Killer Croc works perfectly. Think about it. They only have to film in dark sewer tunnels and croc could be really scary, dragging people down in the middle of the night or something.
ya I'm pretty sure there refering to Ra's al Ghul here not Twoface since you never actually see him die and hes supposed to be immortal so it's most likely him returning. but in Nolan's batman films there is generally 2 villians. I'm hoping the other one will be Calendar Man just because Nolan could probably make The Holiday Killer actually dark and epic.BehattedWanderer said:
Word of God says there's no Robin either, so add him to the list. And Ra'as Al Ghul is dead, obviously, so it can't be him either.SniperMacFox said:
Scarecrow and Mr Zsasz could feature, but since they've already been in it with quite minor roles, I doubt they'll be the main villains. Mr Freeze got a definite "no" a few months back.
We can safely write off anyone with superpowers too exotic, or gimmicks too camp - Killer Croc, Clayface, Manbat, The Mad Hatter, Maxie Zeus or The Ventriloquist.
The only viable candidates in my mind are one of the following: Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Hush, Bane, Talia Al Ghul or Black Mask.
Poison Ivy is usually depicted with actual superpowers, which obviously wouldn't work in the film, but it's not a stretch to see her reimagined as a conventional eco-terrorist. I doubt we'll see this though, ecology as a theme has been entirely absent from the rest of the series, and it'd be weird to have it materialise for the first time in this one. You can't even do a "destroying Gotham for the greater good" thing, cos that's already been done in Begins.
Catwoman or Talia Al Ghul seem more likely. Talia would be interesting exactly - having a connection to the League would really help Batman return to his roots, a theme that was explored extensively in Begins but more or less ignored in Dark Knight. And a love triangle between her, Bruce and Bruce's memory of Rachel is exactly the kind of quirky spin on a conventional plot line you would expect Nolan to do.
I doubt it'll be Bane, Hush or Black Mask for the following reason - they have no recognition beyond the franchise's fanbase. So what would be the point? I'm sure Nolan would much rather create his own characters to fit the story he has in mind than use somebody else's. The only reason to use existing characters is if they're already popularly associated with the Batman mythos, and I don't think any of these characters are.
Which brings me to a final possibility - maybe there isn't an established villain in the film. Maybe Nolan created one himself, or maybe there is no villain, period (the conflict between Batman and the police set up at the end of the Dark Knight could easily sustain a movie on its own). Can anyone point me to a quote from Nolan himself establishing that there definitely will be a VILLAIN from the comic books in this movie?
Well, remember that Zasz broke out of Arkham during Batman Begins. Perhaps he'll go on a killing spree through the Narrows?
Wasn't that Scarface? That was his name right? He made a cameo in the Scarecrow sections of Arkham Asylum.dillirgaf said:
Well, my personal hope for this would be a storyline based around Bane and Black Mask. Bane breaks the bat. The whole circus thing plays out with a young member of the Greyson troupe being adopted by a certain m/b(?)illionaire shortly after the murder of said child's parents.M-JN said:
It could segue really easily into a second series of movies. Concluding the trilogy about the origin of The Batman and going into something else. Something Robin related. I actually see Robin as an important part of the whole Batman ... thing. The next series could be set as a "... years later" thing to set their ages up where they're supposed to be.
More likely, however, Nolan will just move on to the next thing. Who else could he do? Punisher maybe? I don't know. Probably something non-comic-book related.