Nolan Puts Official Title on Third Batman Flick

[SniperMacFox]

It would the right time for Catwoman to appear given that Bruce Wayne is now looking for love.

And if she's hot then the title 'The Dark Knight Rises' makes perfect sense.

...Do you realize what you've done? Now we just have to wait for Deviantart to read this and all of this debate is pointless. Because no-one will watch the film for fear of it looking like... I'm not going to even bother typing it out.

 

[The Sorrow]

Bane. Please, please let it be Bane....

 

[zacattack14]

Killer Croc works perfectly. Think about it. They only have to film in dark sewer tunnels and croc could be really scary, dragging people down in the middle of the night or something.

 

[gligarman207]

Twoface, clearly. The setup for his appearance was so blatantly obvious in Dark Knight, that i'm surprised there is such speculation at all. It also fits with the claim, that some characters will return.

...Except that he's dead?

ya I'm pretty sure there refering to Ra's al Ghul here not Twoface since you never actually see him die and hes supposed to be immortal so it's most likely him returning. but in Nolan's batman films there is generally 2 villians. I'm hoping the other one will be Calendar Man just because Nolan could probably make The Holiday Killer actually dark and epic.

 

[icame]

Here's hoping for catwoman. Odd title but i guess it fits.

 

[scarab7]

Victor Freeze, Victor Freeze, Victor Freeze. Ok got that out of my system.

 

[Sabbad]

How about we look at just the facts.

We know that this film won't be containing Joker, Two-Face, Riddler or Penguin and through them, I doubt it would contain Harley Quinn either... At a random stab, I'm going for the one word theme to be something like "trust" or "honesty" as a possibility, as then it could also include the introduction of Robin.

Word of God says there's no Robin either, so add him to the list. And Ra'as Al Ghul is dead, obviously, so it can't be him either.

Scarecrow and Mr Zsasz could feature, but since they've already been in it with quite minor roles, I doubt they'll be the main villains. Mr Freeze got a definite "no" a few months back.

We can safely write off anyone with superpowers too exotic, or gimmicks too camp - Killer Croc, Clayface, Manbat, The Mad Hatter, Maxie Zeus or The Ventriloquist.

The only viable candidates in my mind are one of the following: Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Hush, Bane, Talia Al Ghul or Black Mask.

Poison Ivy is usually depicted with actual superpowers, which obviously wouldn't work in the film, but it's not a stretch to see her reimagined as a conventional eco-terrorist. I doubt we'll see this though, ecology as a theme has been entirely absent from the rest of the series, and it'd be weird to have it materialise for the first time in this one. You can't even do a "destroying Gotham for the greater good" thing, cos that's already been done in Begins.

Catwoman or Talia Al Ghul seem more likely. Talia would be interesting exactly - having a connection to the League would really help Batman return to his roots, a theme that was explored extensively in Begins but more or less ignored in Dark Knight. And a love triangle between her, Bruce and Bruce's memory of Rachel is exactly the kind of quirky spin on a conventional plot line you would expect Nolan to do.

I doubt it'll be Bane, Hush or Black Mask for the following reason - they have no recognition beyond the franchise's fanbase. So what would be the point? I'm sure Nolan would much rather create his own characters to fit the story he has in mind than use somebody else's. The only reason to use existing characters is if they're already popularly associated with the Batman mythos, and I don't think any of these characters are.

Which brings me to a final possibility - maybe there isn't an established villain in the film. Maybe Nolan created one himself, or maybe there is no villain, period (the conflict between Batman and the police set up at the end of the Dark Knight could easily sustain a movie on its own). Can anyone point me to a quote from Nolan himself establishing that there definitely will be a VILLAIN from the comic books in this movie?

 

[Aulleas123]

DiCaprio could be Hush, that could make a good flick. Also we could see Talia Al Ghul as an antagonist and love interest. I'm a little relieved that they won't bring in the Riddler, not that I don't love a character who is a genious dressed in green tights, I just don't see how it would work in the Nolan Gotham City.

No? I'm thinking Saw...

I could see that... I guess after six Saw movies, they got tired of it.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Well, remember that Zasz broke out of Arkham during Batman Begins. Perhaps he'll go on a killing spree through the Narrows?

 

[pacati]

How about after this, a simultaneous sequel to both Inception and Memento, where in the film a dream within a dream goes backwards and everything is what it seems.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

who was the crazy guy with the puppet? i remember him from the cartoons

Wasn't that Scarface? That was his name right? He made a cameo in the Scarecrow sections of Arkham Asylum.

 

[Zeromaeus]

*Crosses fingers* Come on Condiment King!

Yyeeeessss. Seriously if I was a billionaire dark-gritty-angst director, that is exactly the kind of shit I would pull in the last film of the series, and fly off cackling into the night.

In that case, I'm guessing Red Hood and Black Mask.

Nah, they wouldn't do Red Hood so soon after the animated flick.

I think the only real possibility is a Catwoman tale. Scarecrow and Ra'as already had their moments, most of the others are wholly too ridiculous, and it'd make for some much-needed romantic levity after that whole bint Rachel thing. Maybe Hatter, but I'd be surprised.

Halle Berry come back and bring your cleavage.

Don't be so sure about Red Hood. Him being in the animated film just means more people will be familiar with him which is good for marketing. Plus it would rule.

Don't forget Red Hood was Batman's old Robin. The one who died. Guess he got better... Anyway, Robin hasn't appeared in the Nolan-verse yet, has he?

Hasn't yet and never will according to Word of God. Probably for the best.

Although now that I'm thinking it, I was struck in TDK with how insidiously they downplayed Barbara Gordon's existence. Like, she was there, but she wasn't really there and the breezeover seemed rather intentional, so maybe she'll play a role? Likely a small one, but it could be neat to see hints at the "Bat-family" that got so foofy in the animated.

Although this is Gritty Reboot Land, and so Batman must never ever be happy.

Well, my personal hope for this would be a storyline based around Bane and Black Mask. Bane breaks the bat. The whole circus thing plays out with a young member of the Greyson troupe being adopted by a certain m/b(?)illionaire shortly after the murder of said child's parents.

It could segue really easily into a second series of movies. Concluding the trilogy about the origin of The Batman and going into something else. Something Robin related. I actually see Robin as an important part of the whole Batman ... thing. The next series could be set as a "... years later" thing to set their ages up where they're supposed to be.

More likely, however, Nolan will just move on to the next thing. Who else could he do? Punisher maybe? I don't know. Probably something non-comic-book related.

 

[M-JN]

*Crosses fingers* Come on Condiment King!

Yyeeeessss. Seriously if I was a billionaire dark-gritty-angst director, that is exactly the kind of shit I would pull in the last film of the series, and fly off cackling into the night.

In that case, I'm guessing Red Hood and Black Mask.

Nah, they wouldn't do Red Hood so soon after the animated flick.

I think the only real possibility is a Catwoman tale. Scarecrow and Ra'as already had their moments, most of the others are wholly too ridiculous, and it'd make for some much-needed romantic levity after that whole bint Rachel thing. Maybe Hatter, but I'd be surprised.

Halle Berry come back and bring your cleavage.

Don't be so sure about Red Hood. Him being in the animated film just means more people will be familiar with him which is good for marketing. Plus it would rule.

Don't forget Red Hood was Batman's old Robin. The one who died. Guess he got better... Anyway, Robin hasn't appeared in the Nolan-verse yet, has he?

Hasn't yet and never will according to Word of God. Probably for the best.

Although now that I'm thinking it, I was struck in TDK with how insidiously they downplayed Barbara Gordon's existence. Like, she was there, but she wasn't really there and the breezeover seemed rather intentional, so maybe she'll play a role? Likely a small one, but it could be neat to see hints at the "Bat-family" that got so foofy in the animated.

Although this is Gritty Reboot Land, and so Batman must never ever be happy.

Well, my personal hope for this would be a storyline based around Bane and Black Mask. Bane breaks the bat. The whole circus thing plays out with a young member of the Greyson troupe being adopted by a certain m/b(?)illionaire shortly after the murder of said child's parents.

It could segue really easily into a second series of movies. Concluding the trilogy about the origin of The Batman and going into something else. Something Robin related. I actually see Robin as an important part of the whole Batman ... thing. The next series could be set as a "... years later" thing to set their ages up where they're supposed to be.

More likely, however, Nolan will just move on to the next thing. Who else could he do? Punisher maybe? I don't know. Probably something non-comic-book related.

He's doing Superman, probably another trilogy, and I thiiiiink they're pushing on a JLA movie after that.

 

[Parallel Streaks]

I was so strongly hoping to see Neil Patrick Harris don the Riddler suit 'n' tie..

 

[Panda Mania]

They should feature one of the canon's lesser known villains. Just to make things interesting. I'm certainly no Batman expert, but I do know that his Rogue's Gallery is one of the best...

 

[Tzatziki3301]

Shame he's said no Penguin. Burton's idea, of Penguin taking over the city through politics, would work fantastically in the Nolan-verse, but thankfully, it is an idea that can transcend onto a lot of other villains (and a lot of villain's origins...) and my money is on something like that as a plot, it just seems to follow on naturally from the last two.

In Begins, city was corrupt, cops on the take, Mob running pretty much everything, Batman stood up to them, allies with Gordon and the DAs office starts to take notice.

Dark Knight, Harvey Dent tries to clean up the city, Mob takes two massive blows thanks to the Joker and Batman, vastly reducing their power and influence, Gordon made commissioner after old one murdered, but the level of corruption within police comes to light, film ends with Gordon and Batman struggling to save the name of Harvey Dent to give the city hope, covering up what actually happened to him in order to save face (pun intended).


So, Gotham is left with its vigilante branded the murderer of Dent, both its law office infrastructure and its organised crime infrastructure in tatters. Perfect fodder for a few new players to come in and build up their own empire (Croc from 'The Joker' perfect example, Hush, Zasz, Bane (can imagine being re-imagined as a burly guy on a steroid addiction rather than 'green goo o' doom'), Black Mask, pretty much everyone mentioned already.

As for Catwoman and Harley, I'd love to see both. Poison Ivy I love, mainly from the Animated Series, but from the movies less so, and I don't think she should be done as plant-like as she was in Arkham Asylum (though she was cool) but would be happy to see her done intelligently.
Catwoman I'd like to see given to someone Bale's age, and not a big name. Casting my mind over the casts of various Sci-fi programmes like Farscape, SG1 and Star Trek, can think of a few likely candidates that would fit the strong female character archetype without having to resort to cheeseball sexuality (and I'd like to see a Catwoman who was Master Thief first, sex-object second please, thank you very much Mister Nolan). If we get Catwoman, I'd like there to be the ambiguity as to her allegiance and alignment, and I'd also like to see her as a foil for a female bad guy such as Quinn. No need for cheesy back-story (Nolan has avoided them all adroitly so far, Joker being the best example) just have Catwoman show up doing what she should do, taking shiny things from difficult places without asking, the whole city in disarray backdrop perfect for some opportune burglary, especially with the Police force likely distracted searching for Batman.

Shame no Riddler... I was hoping for a revelation there.

Ah well, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[NaramSuen]

I have been saying this for some time, but I think that the antgonists will be Black Mask and Catwoman.

 

[Tzatziki3301]

He's doing Superman, probably another trilogy, and I thiiiiink they're pushing on a JLA movie after that.

Know its years ahead of where we are currently with the movies, but i'd love to see Nolan tackle Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns' comic series.

 

[samsonguy920]

As for Catwoman it would be cool if we were to get introduced to Selina Kyle as a love interest, and at the end find out she has been running a double life to bring up in the next movie.

Except this is Nolan's last Batman movie for the foreseeable future so I can't imagine he'll leave plot threads just dangling there at the end of the film, or do you suppose he'll leave a legacy for whatever director Legendary/WB drafts in to milk the franchise?

I'm willing to bet good legos that he leaves something open at the end.

 

[Zeromaeus]

*Crosses fingers* Come on Condiment King!

Yyeeeessss. Seriously if I was a billionaire dark-gritty-angst director, that is exactly the kind of shit I would pull in the last film of the series, and fly off cackling into the night.

In that case, I'm guessing Red Hood and Black Mask.

Nah, they wouldn't do Red Hood so soon after the animated flick.

I think the only real possibility is a Catwoman tale. Scarecrow and Ra'as already had their moments, most of the others are wholly too ridiculous, and it'd make for some much-needed romantic levity after that whole bint Rachel thing. Maybe Hatter, but I'd be surprised.

Halle Berry come back and bring your cleavage.

Don't be so sure about Red Hood. Him being in the animated film just means more people will be familiar with him which is good for marketing. Plus it would rule.

Don't forget Red Hood was Batman's old Robin. The one who died. Guess he got better... Anyway, Robin hasn't appeared in the Nolan-verse yet, has he?

Hasn't yet and never will according to Word of God. Probably for the best.

Although now that I'm thinking it, I was struck in TDK with how insidiously they downplayed Barbara Gordon's existence. Like, she was there, but she wasn't really there and the breezeover seemed rather intentional, so maybe she'll play a role? Likely a small one, but it could be neat to see hints at the "Bat-family" that got so foofy in the animated.

Although this is Gritty Reboot Land, and so Batman must never ever be happy.

Well, my personal hope for this would be a storyline based around Bane and Black Mask. Bane breaks the bat. The whole circus thing plays out with a young member of the Greyson troupe being adopted by a certain m/b(?)illionaire shortly after the murder of said child's parents.

It could segue really easily into a second series of movies. Concluding the trilogy about the origin of The Batman and going into something else. Something Robin related. I actually see Robin as an important part of the whole Batman ... thing. The next series could be set as a "... years later" thing to set their ages up where they're supposed to be.

More likely, however, Nolan will just move on to the next thing. Who else could he do? Punisher maybe? I don't know. Probably something non-comic-book related.

He's doing Superman, probably another trilogy, and I thiiiiink they're pushing on a JLA movie after that.

...what?
That wouldn't work. They haven't set up any of the necessary DC-verse continuity for a JLA movie, which I would love the hell out of (I'm uber-psyched for Avengers as is). They need to set up the original members like The Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman first (I didn't include Green Lantern because he's getting a movie). All of that within the same continuity (like the Marvel movies). Hell, the Nolan-verse was based on a completely no magic/no sci-fi basis. What the hell would Wonder Woman fight in that universe? No, the DC movies need inter-continuity before JLA is even viable. Trust me, I want JLA, I just don't see it happening. Also, Nolan is only writing for Superman. A different director was slated for that movie.

...
I really want a Flash movie now...