@Notch and the 'F-bomb'

[Melon Hunter]

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Did you even read what I said or did you just leap straight at 'whats so unreasonable about that' and then use that as a bouncing board for a separate post on your own opinions on the event? >.>

Yes, I did read your post and responded in kind. I'd appreciate it if in future when you quote people and ask them a question, you don't patronise them for answering the question with their own opinion.

He wasn't saying anything on it, he was happy to keep it on the down low, but after being flooded with bile and hatemail from yogscast fans (who didn't even know what the hell had happened, since he'd respectfully kept quite about it) he said 'screw that for a joke' and told them all exactly why he made his decision not to work with yogsacast again at another minecon.
That's not instigating a witch hunt, if anything that's retaliating against the witch hunt that ignorant yogscast fans had instigated against him. Hatemail is annoying, but ignorant hatemail is worse.

This is the thing; it was a terrible idea to post a cryptic comment about how he wasn't working with the Yogscast again on Twitter. Twitter is a very reactionary platform, and no further explanation was given; it's pretty much a given that out of the 1 million+ subscribers to the Yogscast, some are going to be bad apples, and demand a response through unsavoury means, such as hate mail. From the sounds of it, Notch was tweeting whilst running on fumes from running Minecon and attending a bunch of parties. I stand by my earlier response that an official statement should have been made when he was sober on a more suitable platform, such as the Minecraft website or Reddit, as the Yogscast did.

As for 'instigating a witch-hunt'; again, Notch was the one who said he was not working with the Yogscast again without any further explanation. He cannot expect the entirety of his folowers to shrug and take it as a given.

Calling them 'divas' and saying they were acting like total dicks might not be the corporate professional response you'd expect from a developers lawyers firm in a public statement on the matter, but everyone seems to be forgetting:

This is his personal twitter account.

Do you really expect cold robotic responses along side such things as:

Oh, that's YOU!!! Hi!

some homo. A bit.

they were! raur

Good morning! 6:30 am, and I feel somewhat refreshed. Should breakfast soon. That's a verb.

No, cause its twitter. You know, that site for posting up your opinions and how you're going and what you're eating for breakfast and all that stuff people like me don't give a damn about.

Exactly. Personal Twitter account, for sharing banal thoughts and experiences. Not a place to denounce a fellow participant of Minecon, who make a lot of revenue out of Minecraft.

As it is people are blowing both sides out of proportion.
Big woop, Yogscast were rude to a bunch of people and said they would cross out a kids signed T-Shirt and write Fuck You instead.
Big woop, Notch decides thats unacceptable and decides he won't be inviting them to another convention and eventually tells people about it over twitter.

Who really cares? Why does anyone really care? Why are so many people getting riled up over it? >.>
What does it matter in the slightest to anyone except for the yogscasters and notch?

I think people care because these are pretty damn serious allegations and kicking them out of Minecon for it is a very harsh punishment. Judging from both the Yogscast's official statement and various third-party sources, none of the allegations Notch made were true, and he didn't even meet with them except for their interview with him. All of that was based on hearsay by other con workers, not Notch's first-hand experience.

As for why people should care? If these allegations are fake, that's slander. And this isn't a hobby for the Yogscast, this is their job. If the creator of the game they rely on for income is going to do things like this, then I do not believe that this is simply an issue to be ignored. If apologies can be exchanged and everything go back to how it was before, then fine. But apathy for something like this is not a viewpoint I subscribe to.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

Considering Yogscast was apparently stirring up some trouble during the Desert Bus broadcast a couple days ago, they can go bus themselves. That's just my thoughts on the matter though.

 

[Yetipumper]

I've tried to add the links to all aspects of the Notch/Yogscast thing but it's failed twice now so I'm giving up. It all seems to be a misunderstanding anyway. What a surprise......

 

[Sean951]

People are free to swear up a storm, but they should also have the self restraint to not do it in front of kids. I've been swearing since I was in 5th grade, but I would punch any of my friends who swore in front of my little brother until I had heard him swearing, and even then, I told them to keep it to a minimum. It takes no effort on the speakers part, and it reflect better on the gaming community that we can restrain ourselves from using profanity at such public events.

 

[Some_weirdGuy]

Yes, I did read your post and responded in kind. I'd appreciate it if in future when you quote people and ask them a question, you don't patronise them for answering the question with their own opinion.

It didn't look like you read the whole sentence, that's why I asked.
'Whats so unreasonable about that' was not referring to what he actually said about them, it was referring to his reaction of informing the hate-spewing mass what happened instead of sitting by and taking shit because he's choosing to stay quite about it.

That is a perfectly normal human reaction, and not an unreasonable thing to expect someone to do.
Your reply didn't address that at all, it looked more like you(as i said) just read that one line out of context, constructed your own meaning and spring boarded off that.

This is the thing; it was a terrible idea to post a cryptic comment about how he wasn't working with the Yogscast again on Twitter. Twitter is a very reactionary platform, and no further explanation was given; it's pretty much a given that out of the 1 million+ subscribers to the Yogscast, some are going to be bad apples, and demand a response through unsavoury means, such as hate mail. From the sounds of it, Notch was tweeting whilst running on fumes from running Minecon and attending a bunch of parties. I stand by my earlier response that an official statement should have been made when he was sober on a more suitable platform, such as the Minecraft website or Reddit, as the Yogscast did.

As for 'instigating a witch-hunt'; again, Notch was the one who said he was not working with the Yogscast again without any further explanation. He cannot expect the entirety of his folowers to shrug and take it as a given.

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Exactly. Personal Twitter account, for sharing banal thoughts and experiences. Not a place to denounce a fellow participant of Minecon, who make a lot of revenue out of Minecraft.

Yogscast finally responded?
Given they spent 3 days formulating it, you would except a more professional response. I'm surprised that Notch didn't do up an official response later though on the minecraft website.

Given how blown out of proportion so many people are making this, I had expected that by now he would have made one.

I guess i'm just not 'in with it' when it comes to this stuff, as i consider twitter to be a casual non-professional platform by nature. The kind of place where you expect EXACTLY this sort of thing to be posted up.

You know, go on a guys twitter:
"Yeah, X was a real prick last night, definitely don't like that guy. Treated everyone like a dick and punched my grandma in the face. Anyway, Eating banana now "

go on the guys official business website:
"We wish to apologise for X's behaviour during the gathering on (date of last night) and inform you that X will no longer be invited to our gatherings. This is unfortunately due to behaviour which was deemed by a lawyers to be unsuitable for public endorsement by our company,
We again apologise for any grievances in this matter and promise that no such behaviour will occur again at our future venues."

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Also, pretty sure anyone making money off minecraft other than its developers and publishers is actually illegal, so probably better to keep quite about that last point XD

I think people care because these are pretty damn serious allegations and kicking them out of Minecon for it is a very harsh punishment. Judging from both the Yogscast's official statement and various third-party sources, none of the allegations Notch made were true, and he didn't even meet with them except for their interview with him. All of that was based on hearsay by other con workers, not Notch's first-hand experience.

As for why people should care? If these allegations are fake, that's slander. And this isn't a hobby for the Yogscast, this is their job. If the creator of the game they rely on for income is going to do things like this, then I do not believe that this is simply an issue to be ignored. If apologies can be exchanged and everything go back to how it was before, then fine. But apathy for something like this is not a viewpoint I subscribe to.

I suppose if I cared more about minecraft and yogscast in general I might feel more strongly about it then.

Also, again making a point of their non-authorised profiteering from copyrighted material XP. ((Though I'll admit right now I haven't gone out to double check the law on this, since I don't care that much, but from the sounds of it they're surfing over some dangerous waters if they really are relying on making money from minecraft like you are saying))

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Anyway, I'll just say now I can understand where you're coming from, so don't feel you need to argue that, but I still don't see twitter as something to get everyone so riled up over. The only reason his twitter is even associated with minecraft is because working on the game is part of his day to day life. People need to take it less as the word of god, or as a professional's address to the public and more as the words of just guy posting up his personal opinions, daily activities and (sometimes) eating habits.