Notch in No Hurry to Bring Minecraft to Steam

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Falterfire said:
Whether or not he's missing out on cash is questionable. It's only a benefit if the number of sales he gains is greater than the percentage of money lost because of paying Steam. If he only gets 5% more sales and starts losing 30% of the profit, he's not coming out ahead there.
I'm not sure I understand your argument. How does getting 5% more people to buy the game on Steam who otherwise wouldn't buy the game at all, even with getting 30% less profit per sale, end with him at a loss? I suppose if Steam runs with a business practice of a dev or publisher paying a monthly service fee to have the game available on Steam as well as taking a cut per sale that might be the case, I figured they just took a cut per sale.

Not sure what would drive someone to either buy from steam or not at all in this particular instance though, aside from perhaps a steam sale.
 

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Minecraft does not need steam... Steam is a great distributor for indie games that need an audience. Minecraft found its audience and if you are interested in Minecraft you don't need to look far to find it.

Steam helps the smaller indie developers and is an easy one stop shopping experience for all the bigger developers on the PC. EA felt they didn't need steam anymore and decided to make Origin... Which really just makes everyone love steam more whenever they are forced to play one of their games on Origin. I was never so insulted by customer service than I was with Origin... bastards.
 

Roberto Perez

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Lol yeah because Notch has totally made numerous masterpices, being entirely honest, minecraft to me was just him getting Lucky, I just cant shake the feeling, he is not gonna get as lucky with his future projects, since they dont (for now) seem to offer anything interesting.
 

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GAunderrated said:
Being snarky or smartass to get your point across doesn't get you cool points or anything like that. I could start name calling, but I'm not gonna step down your level.

But I never said steam is, will be or is becoming a monopoly. What I said was, and I quote:

While I do agree that steam turning into a monopoly isn't a good thing
I said that steam turning into a monopoly is a bad thing. I didn't said "Steam is becoming a monopoly" or "Steam, being a monopoly,"

A implied "if". "If" steam turn into a monopoly, it will be a bad thing.

I'm also very amazed at your ability to read my preferences and choices from a 3 lines post. Also, your "my opinions are fact" attitude.

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Crono1973 said:
I've never seen that claim, do you have a link?
Please clarify on what exactly. I said a bit in that post, haha.
A link to Valve claiming they would patch out the DRM is Steam went under.

"In the case of a one-time purchase of a product license (e.g., purchase of a single game) from Valve, Valve may choose to terminate or cancel your Subscription in its entirety or may terminate or cancel only a portion of the Subscription (e.g., access to the software via Steam) and Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide access (for a limited period of time) to the download of a stand-alone version of the software and content associated with such one-time purchase."

http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

Considering basic corporate business, even with the use of the word "may", I'm pretty sure they would release it.
 
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Zefar said:
When EA did this they where greedy as hell. When Notch does he's praised.

Seems a little bias to me.

But I'm ok if he want to earn more money from it.
I agree with this. People have no problem calling EA on being greedy but if notch is greedy its justified. Essentially it just comes down to notch wanting more money and doesn't want anyone to get a cut out of it.

Now before anyone gets up in arms I am one of the few PC players who didn't buy minecraft and probably wont until its on steam (which it probably wont).
One is hosting their own digital distribution platform, and forcing you to but games on this platform so you may buy more later. One doesn't even have one, and it doesn't make a difference. That in itself, is the difference. (A.K.A. What you're saying is bs.)
 

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I support this as he should be spending his time focusing on getting the game out of an alpha state anyways.
 

Strazdas

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Have a problem with a distributor that has 30% of pc gaming. no problem with distributor that has 90% of xbox gaming. bit weird aren't you?
i like self-publishing so i agree its not a bad choice.
 

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GeneralTwinkle said:
Cool, a pc dev who's willing to take a hit on sales to make a point. Pretty neat.
Although as DVS BSTrD said, everyone already has it so putting it on steam wouldn't help much.

Notch is still an asshole though >.>
I am trying to not act smug but, he's made fucking millions off of free advertising, anyone who wanted Minecraft has bought it thus there IS no ramifications to sales.

In honesty he probably has made over what he spent to make the game.

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Why does anyone care what Notch thinks? He ripped off several different games and built on their original formula, then got viral so he didn't have to do any marketing, did barely any work once his game was released and raised a fanbase more rabid then any other.
 

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-Dragmire- said:
I'm not sure I understand your argument. How does getting 5% more people to buy the game on Steam who otherwise wouldn't buy the game at all, even with getting 30% less profit per sale, end with him at a loss? I suppose if Steam runs with a business practice of a dev or publisher paying a monthly service fee to have the game available on Steam as well as taking a cut per sale that might be the case, I figured they just took a cut per sale.

Not sure what would drive someone to either buy from steam or not at all in this particular instance though, aside from perhaps a steam sale.
Well, if you switch to Steam, it's assumed that a large portion of sales that would otherwise go through your network instead go through Steam's. For every person who already planned to purchase Minecraft and goes with Steam instead of the Minecraft website, Notch loses 30%. So if the number of new sales from Steam is a relatively low percentage, Notch stands to lose money by putting Minecraft on STeam.
 

Scrythe

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Well, you can release it on Desura [http://www.desura.com/] and put them on the map.

Maybe give some exposure to the other indie titles on there, perhaps?

It runs on Linux, y'know...
 

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Andy Chalk said:
...and, at 30 percent, a cut of over $86,500 for Valve. That's $2.6 million per month, folks, or $31.2 million per year. That's an awful lot of money just to rent a spot for an already wildly-successful game on Steam, don't you think?
I'm not sure that's the right interpretation of what Notch said; I assumed he meant that Steam gets 30% of the sales from the market, not a 30% cut of the sales themselves, because yeah, that would be pretty stupidly high.
 

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Too bad for Mojang I guess. As a principle I don't buy my games directly from any developer's site, and I know many others who feel the same.
Yes, that means I don't have a copy of Minecraft yet. Even with all the hype around it, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much.
 

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EA's being villified because their platform is much more intrusive, their customer care is by far one ofthe worst ones in the world and they take overprice for all their games on Origin, which they've only now considered lowering.

Here's my beef with notch, a few years ago he wanted to go on steam, but they couldn't make it work. Now he's making money and doesn't need steam to be exposed. I mean, for the love of god, just say that instead of taking a piss on steam.

Moral high ground only works if you're sticking to it.

The other thing is that Notch has a bad habit of speaking before he thinks, as an example, the major accusation of the Yogscast being douchebags, for no good reason. It's one thing to call people out on stuff you heard, it's another entirely to fling mud at the biggest free advertisement channel on youtube for your product.
This isn't Notch's only blunder and it's all due to his outspoken nature.

He should definitely get Minecraft out on Steam. More exposure, more sales, it's that simple.

Oh and by the way, where are the major updates to Minecraft? It's not the worst or slowest I've seen, but considering what a big heart this guy is supposed to have, you'd think there'd be more focus on his once-in-a-lifetime smash hit. NONE of the games his company will make henceforth, will ever sell half as good as Minecraft has.
I don't care about minor upgrades, I want block-DLC's or expansions or whatever. I'll bleed myself dry to get more blocks and I am certainly not the only one out there.
(Yes, I'm aware that Mojang hired the bukkit crew to make an API. It doesn't mean I'm satisfied or impressed with the attention the game has gotten since release.)

Huge update coming out next month. The main thing is LAN support and I think they're reworking the Nether or something. Not sure if there are any more blocks (certainly hoping there will be). If you're hungry for blocks, I'd take a look at some of the mods.
Also, Jeb's heading up Minecraft now. Notch doesn't really work on it any more. Mainly he's handling 0x10c (as far as I know).

Notch insulted Yogscast because their public video consisted of Simon dropping the f-bomb multiple times within the first minute or two. Their behavior was immature, and the response seemed justified. Although considering Notch's sit-down interview with Yogscast the day before or so, I'll say that he's definitely a hypocrite. He was speaking way out of line in their interview, and he's put a few racy things on his tumblr as well.

I don't think he's worried about sales. Xbox version has 2 million sales now. PC still sells like a thousand a day (official website reads 6 million sales). He would get more sales through Steam, but he'd make 30% less money on each sale, since most people would by through Steam rather than his website. People claim that's being greedy, but why should he give up 30% of his company's paycheck to another company? By that logic, if you aren't willing to give away a portion of your salary, you're greedy.
Furthermore, Steam would be making thousands of dollars for doing.... what? Providing slightly more publicity?

I would say people are angry about it because they can't get the 75% off sale on Minecraft that they want. There's nothing wrong with wanting games dirt cheap (that's how I usually buy them, often times via Steam) but to whine and complain and insult some guy because he won't slash his price from low (considering most mainstream games are more than double the price) to practically free is pretty juvenile IMO.
 

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Another indy dev. muckraking. Film at 11.

Captcha: "pester power".
Why there's not a religion based on the clairvoyance of the Captcha, I do not know.
 

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Ah good for Notch. I dont dislike the idea of steam and im very much in favour of downloading games but i find it a bit much when i buy a game from a store, disc and all and it still demands i have a steam account in order to play it. Not to mention internet is tempremental at best at my weekend address and the song and dance steam makes over starting games in offline mode makes me want to take an axe to my laptop.