Notorious iPhone Hacker Posts PS3 Master Key Online

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Danzaivar said:
How does this help pirates? Won't this key just be useful for creating new apps (I.e. Homebrew) and calling them PS3 ones? Surely the pirated games would already have their key embedded?

Admittedly someone could make a PS2 emulator for the PS3 and the PS3 would properly recognise it now, but for PS3 games I don't get it.

(Note: DRM is not my speciality, these are genuine questions)
With these keygens and other such brute force programs could be made, or programs that could detect patterns in the generations of the keygens, making it significantly easier to crack games.
 

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psrdirector said:
Aerialfrogg said:
Danzaivar said:
How does this help pirates? Won't this key just be useful for creating new apps (I.e. Homebrew) and calling them PS3 ones? Surely the pirated games would already have their key embedded?

Admittedly someone could make a PS2 emulator for the PS3 and the PS3 would properly recognise it now, but for PS3 games I don't get it.

(Note: DRM is not my speciality, these are genuine questions)
I like that the possible hacks includes becoming backwards compatible. I wish I had the money to buy one while they still played PS2 games. My old PS2 is on its last leg, I may end up buying a second ps2 before forking out for a ps3.
it wont make the lazer disc read things it is not compatible with. They can not make a software change the limitations of the hardware. Everyone thinking this will in any way lead to you popping your ps2 games into your ps3 and it working if it doesnt already is wrong straight up.
Right, not actual discs, but I wouldn't feel bad pirating PS2 games I own to play on an emulator. (However at that point I would probably go down the slippery slope and download games I don't have.)
 

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Thanks Hotz! Im looking forward to my playstation having to be always signed into PSN just to play my games!
 

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I wonder why company,s still bother? there is always some smart guy cracking a machine its one of the rules of the internet:' everything can be cracked or homebrew enabled"
 

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psrdirector said:
Aerialfrogg said:
Danzaivar said:
How does this help pirates? Won't this key just be useful for creating new apps (I.e. Homebrew) and calling them PS3 ones? Surely the pirated games would already have their key embedded?

Admittedly someone could make a PS2 emulator for the PS3 and the PS3 would properly recognise it now, but for PS3 games I don't get it.

(Note: DRM is not my speciality, these are genuine questions)
I like that the possible hacks includes becoming backwards compatible. I wish I had the money to buy one while they still played PS2 games. My old PS2 is on its last leg, I may end up buying a second ps2 before forking out for a ps3.
it wont make the lazer disc read things it is not compatible with. They can not make a software change the limitations of the hardware. Everyone thinking this will in any way lead to you popping your ps2 games into your ps3 and it working if it doesnt already is wrong straight up.
Erm, I thought PS2 games used a regular (Well, with some extra encoding) DVD? Hence PS2 emulators on the PC being able to play games straight from disc on your DVD drive.

Unless PC DVD drives magically have this hardware that the PS3 isn't capable of... :p
 

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crazypsyko666 said:
Danzaivar said:
How does this help pirates? Won't this key just be useful for creating new apps (I.e. Homebrew) and calling them PS3 ones? Surely the pirated games would already have their key embedded?

Admittedly someone could make a PS2 emulator for the PS3 and the PS3 would properly recognise it now, but for PS3 games I don't get it.

(Note: DRM is not my speciality, these are genuine questions)
With these keygens and other such brute force programs could be made, or programs that could detect patterns in the generations of the keygens, making it significantly easier to crack games.
This was already done back when OtherOS was available. You can do this on a PC now. This just means the OtherOS folk could (in theory) update their firmware now. No real difference.
 

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I wonder why company,s still bother? there is always some smart guy cracking a machine its one of the rules of the internet:' everything can be cracked or homebrew enabled"
There are no "rules" of the Internet. But you are right about anything being cracked or Homebrewed.
 

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Is it legal for him to do this? I'm honestly asking, because I'm wondering if he could be prosecuted for releasing this information and if he would, why he would have the balls for asking Sony et al. for a job.
 

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Come on, noone should be stupid thinking it's a question of whether he wants to help hackers or wants to help people with homebrew.

The guy cracked the system (apparently) and then said "Major players in the console world, I want you to hire me and give me a crap load of money!"
It's a card that's been played a thousand times before "You have a security problem, right here. You know how I know that? Cause I was able to break it! So you should hire me to prevent other people from breaking it!"
 

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DataSnake said:
The funniest part is that the hacker was only able to do this because Sony's "random number" function actually returns the same value every time you call it.
As in, literally the same exact value? Or a predictable sequence?

99% of all 'random' numbers used in computing, whether it is for games, or cryptography are actually pseudo-random number generators.

That is, they create sequences of numbers based on a seed value, which is 100% predictable, but appears random because there's no obvious way to predict what number comes next from the existing numbers.

A bad PRN function has a really obvious pattern that's easy to predict, a good one pretty much cannot be identified as a predictable pattern unless you have billions of numbers in of the sequence.

But regardless, if you know the seed value for any given sequence, you can figure it out precisely anyway.

For cryptography, this is a bad thing, but usually tolerable if the sequence is hard enough to predict.
Computers can't generate real random numbers anyway unless they have specialist random number generating hardware, which most don't.

For use in games, the predictability of 'psuedorandom' functions is actually a benefit.
It allows you to create things within the game that appear totally random, but have the benefit that if you want to repeat the 'random' sequence (like, say an action replay function), all you need to store is the seed value you generated it from.
 

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CrystalShadow said:
DataSnake said:
The funniest part is that the hacker was only able to do this because Sony's "random number" function actually returns the same value every time you call it.
As in, literally the same exact value? Or a predictable sequence?
It's a constant [http://twitter.com/marcan42/status/20217470371500033].
 

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I wouldn't hire someone who just potentially cost my company millions of dollars by enabling every Tom, Dick and Harriet the option to pirate games. Some of which cost 60+ dollars in retail.
I sure as hell would, the guy has found every single vulnerability in the system, and then offers his services as basically a "vulnerability finder", he's sure as hell more qualified than anyone at Sony currently.

Also, fucking hilarious, I hope he gets hired and is put in the Guinness World Records book as "Ballsiest Attempt at Employment"
 

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DataSnake said:
CrystalShadow said:
DataSnake said:
The funniest part is that the hacker was only able to do this because Sony's "random number" function actually returns the same value every time you call it.
As in, literally the same exact value? Or a predictable sequence?
It's a constant [http://twitter.com/marcan42/status/20217470371500033].
Seriously? That is really, really sad.

Epic fail.
 

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D_987 said:
95% of the people that use this data will pirate games with it, that's a near assumed fact...it's something that ultimately costs the developers, the publishers and the end consumer more money...
Source, or cease the spreading of false information kthx.
 

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pdgeorge said:
Come on, noone should be stupid thinking it's a question of whether he wants to help hackers or wants to help people with homebrew.

The guy cracked the system (apparently) and then said "Major players in the console world, I want you to hire me and give me a crap load of money!"
It's a card that's been played a thousand times before "You have a security problem, right here. You know how I know that? Cause I was able to break it! So you should hire me to prevent other people from breaking it!"
He's not asking to be hired to prevent the problem he created, that ship has sailed, he is offering his services to prevent future problems, and has proven he's good at finding them
 

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antipunt said:
Is it legal for him to do this? I'm honestly asking, because I'm wondering if he could be prosecuted for releasing this information and if he would, why he would have the balls for asking Sony et al. for a job.
I don't know the intricacies of what exactly is legal when it comes to information like this, it's so fucking convoluted I don't think anyone does.

I think he is simultaneously protected under that new statute that jailbreaking is legal, and condemned under certain provisions of the DMCA.

In other words, who the fuck knows, it's a free for all.
 

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I do approve of piracy when it comes to stuff like DRM so im somewhat happy. it will be very interesting to see what comes out of this .

DRM only exists because of piracy, so thats pretty circular reasoning. Not that I disagree.
 

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danpascooch said:
antipunt said:
Is it legal for him to do this? I'm honestly asking, because I'm wondering if he could be prosecuted for releasing this information and if he would, why he would have the balls for asking Sony et al. for a job.
I don't know the intricacies of what exactly is legal when it comes to information like this, it's so fucking convoluted I don't think anyone does.

I think he is simultaneously protected under that new statute that jailbreaking is legal, and condemned under certain provisions of the DMCA.

In other words, who the fuck knows, it's a free for all.
Thanks, answer's good enough for me. In other words, Sony is probably incredibly pissed off. Hiring the guy doesn't seem like that bad of an idea at this point..
 

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DataSnake said:
CrystalShadow said:
DataSnake said:
The funniest part is that the hacker was only able to do this because Sony's "random number" function actually returns the same value every time you call it.
As in, literally the same exact value? Or a predictable sequence?
It's a constant [http://twitter.com/marcan42/status/20217470371500033].
Huh. That's messed up. XD

But then again, calling a constant 'random', is about the most incongruous thing you can say in programming.
How can a constant be random? Eh. Well, I guess that explains why it's a security flaw.
 

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dududf said:
D_987 said:
95% of the people that use this data will pirate games with it, that's a near assumed fact...
Source, or cease the spreading of false information kthx.
I was kinda done with this thread. I don't mind a good argument on the internet but the sheer amount of quotes that I'd have to respond to, the sheer amount of stupid responses I received within those quotes, and the additional quotes of those responses that would inevitably follow bored me just thinking about them. This quote, however, is easy to correct. Let me do so in an unnecessarily pretentious and patronizing manner, because it's a pretentious and patronizing response.

Ok, are you ready?

You see this line: "95% of the people that use this data will pirate games with it, that's a near assumed fact"? You know what's wrong with asking for a source from it?

This bit: "that's a near assumed fact".

That section indicates that I'm not stating it to be a fact [and therefore am not listing sources, as you so incorrectly stated] but an "assumed fact". This means, although I know it's not a fact [how the hell can it be, the hack has only just been found hence the point of the news post?] it's something I am assuming, based on previous software hacks [see my comment regarding the Nintendo DS].

Hope that clears up why your childish response [as in you clearly didn't read the whole post] was inaccurate, and I pray you never use the phrase "kthx" again...