Notorious iPhone Hacker Posts PS3 Master Key Online

[llafnwod]

I wonder why company,s still bother? there is always some smart guy cracking a machine its one of the rules of the internet:' everything can be cracked or homebrew enabled"

The rule is actually everything without an online component can be cracked or homebrewed given time. Putting this disaster off for four years (although, as others have mentioned, it really shouldn't have taken this long) was definitely to Sony's advantage.

 

[crazypsyko666]

How does this help pirates? Won't this key just be useful for creating new apps (I.e. Homebrew) and calling them PS3 ones? Surely the pirated games would already have their key embedded?

Admittedly someone could make a PS2 emulator for the PS3 and the PS3 would properly recognise it now, but for PS3 games I don't get it.

(Note: DRM is not my speciality, these are genuine questions)

With these keygens and other such brute force programs could be made, or programs that could detect patterns in the generations of the keygens, making it significantly easier to crack games.

This was already done back when OtherOS was available. You can do this on a PC now. This just means the OtherOS folk could (in theory) update their firmware now. No real difference.

Yes, but people post about it now. Someone just made it VERY public how to hack the PS3, so script kiddies will now have an easier time getting a hold of software Sony doesn't want them to.

 

[dududf]

95% of the people that use this data will pirate games with it, that's a near assumed fact...

Source, or cease the spreading of false information kthx.

I was kinda done with this thread. I don't mind a good argument on the internet but the sheer amount of quotes that I'd have to respond to, the sheer amount of stupid responses I received within those quotes, and the additional quotes of those responses that would inevitably follow bored me just thinking about them. This quote, however, is easy to correct. Let me do so in an unnecessarily pretentious and patronizing manner, because it's a pretentious and patronizing response.

Ok, are you ready?

You see this line: "95% of the people that use this data will pirate games with it, that's a near assumed fact"? You know what's wrong with asking for a source from it?

This bit: "that's a near assumed fact".

That section indicates that I'm not stating it to be a fact [and therefore am not listing sources, as you so incorrectly stated] but an "assumed fact". This means, although I know it's not a fact [how the hell can it be, the hack has only just been found hence the point of the news post?] it's something I am assuming, based on previous software hacks [see my comment regarding the Nintendo DS].

Hope that clears up why your childish response [as in you clearly didn't read the whole post] was inaccurate, and I pray you never use the phrase "kthx" again...

I'll spell this out for you, since you didn't seem to get what I was asking.

What the heck did you read that would instill the thought that the majority of the use would just be for pirating.

I am asking for the source for what ever you read, or heard, or saw, that would lead you to make you assume this.

I wouldn't have quoted the "That's a assumed fact" if I didn't read it. I yanked that entire sentence, and bolded the part I took issue with and the left the other part, as it was relevant to my interest.

Instead, you decided to assail me, instead of asking for clarification of my reply. Either respond like a normal individual, or don't respond at all.

 

[pdgeorge]

Come on, noone should be stupid thinking it's a question of whether he wants to help hackers or wants to help people with homebrew.

The guy cracked the system (apparently) and then said "Major players in the console world, I want you to hire me and give me a crap load of money!"
It's a card that's been played a thousand times before "You have a security problem, right here. You know how I know that? Cause I was able to break it! So you should hire me to prevent other people from breaking it!"

He's not asking to be hired to prevent the problem he created, that ship has sailed, he is offering his services to prevent future problems, and has proven he's good at finding them

He wouldn't be asking to be hired to solve that problem. If he's hired he would only be able to work on future problems (however, they could try and ask him to find a retroactive fix)
But even as I said, it still boils down to "I want you to hire me"

 

[Danpascooch]

Come on, noone should be stupid thinking it's a question of whether he wants to help hackers or wants to help people with homebrew.

The guy cracked the system (apparently) and then said "Major players in the console world, I want you to hire me and give me a crap load of money!"
It's a card that's been played a thousand times before "You have a security problem, right here. You know how I know that? Cause I was able to break it! So you should hire me to prevent other people from breaking it!"

He's not asking to be hired to prevent the problem he created, that ship has sailed, he is offering his services to prevent future problems, and has proven he's good at finding them

He wouldn't be asking to be hired to solve that problem. If he's hired he would only be able to work on future problems (however, they could try and ask him to find a retroactive fix)
But even as I said, it still boils down to "I want you to hire me"

I know he couldn't fix the one he created.......that's what I said.

My point is, this isn't some cheap trick or scam or awful thing on his part, he's offering them a legitimate valuable service, after proving he can do it, and nowhere did he say how much he wanted to be paid.

 

[D_987]

I'll spell this out for you, since you didn't seem to get what I was asking.

Read your reply again; it's clearly not asking what you're claiming it's asking, but whatever I'll pretend other-wise seeing as how this is your attempt to save face.

What the heck did you read that would instill the thought that the majority of the use would just be for pirating.

The piracy figures for any of the consoles out there in proportion to devices modified for other purposes is going to be in favor of piracy...what the hell did you read that would make you feel otherwise? Considering it's been called "the most intensely pirated market ever.", if you think homebrew / other means is of more interest to a wider range of people you must be delusional.

I am asking for the source for what ever you read, or heard, or saw, that would lead you to make you assume this.

You mean beyond the staggering ratio of DS, PSP, PC and Xbox 360 piracy? If you beleive there're more people using these tools legitimately then you're very naive...

If you really want me to find some figures for those platforms I will do but if you've been following any form of gaming media you should know how high [particular the first 3] the piracy rates are; introducing this to the market is clearly only going to cause piracy.

I wouldn't have quoted the "That's a assumed fact" if I didn't read it. I yanked that entire sentence, and bolded the part I took issue with and the left the other part, as it was relevant to my interest.

The only thing it was relevant to was pointing out the fact that I'm not quoting actual sources... So you ask for sources?

Instead, you decided to assail me, instead of asking for clarification of my reply. Either respond like a normal individual, or don't respond at all.

This coming from the person that so eloquently ended his previous reply with "kthx". It's pretty difficult to take anything you state about forum responses seriously, gotta love the hypocrisy though...

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

wake me when they got PSP working fully on it, I hate teh nub and would kill for the PS3 to nativily play PSP games.....

 

[dalek sec]

Thanks Hotz! Im looking forward to my playstation having to be always signed into PSN just to play my games!

Yeah really, I look forward to having to hook up my PS3 to the internet just to play my damn games... /MASSIVE sarcasm

 

[8-Bit Grin]

In order to play a game you'll have to call Sony on the phone first and set up a time and date.

He speaks the truth!

In a rather humorous way.

 

[SimuLord]

And that is why piracy is such a huge problem on PC, and why most PC DRM is completely counterproductive.

Action -> Reaction.

DRM is a reaction to the said Action [ Piracy ]. Pirates are killing the industry they 'love' so much.

Why must it always be black and white good guys and bad guys? Pirates are thieves, no more, no less. They aren't the idiots sticking counterproductive DRM into games though. Publishers don't get a free pass to screw everyone, including themselves, over just because they're doing it in a moronic, ineffectual attempt to fight something that's genuinely bad.

If draconian DRM actually worked it would be a whole different story, but since it actually drives sales down the publishers are just as bad as the pirates here.

I'll attest to this---there are games I've decided not to buy because of the DRM (Ubisoft, I'm looking squarely at you). But even though I'm a PC gamer and piracy would be ridiculously easy, I NEVER pirate PC games. As in, I can honestly say and mean it that every PC game I've ever had has been genuine.

I just don't subscribe to the idea that I'm somehow entitled to something I'm not willing to pay for---I simply do without.

 

[bpm195]

If the effort of copying games gets easier than walking to store, finding the game in the shelves and draw my visa in the machine, then i might just consider it..

But until then, im gonna do what i have always done, pay up fair and square.
And as long as it is easier and faster to do it the legal way, most people will do it that way im guessing.

It's actually a balance of easy fast and cheap. You can't get all 3.

It's easy and fast to buy a game , but it's not cheap.
It's easy and cheap to download a game, but it's not fast.
It's fast and cheap to shoplift a game, but it's not easy.

 

[butteforce]

Why does no one get the competition?

Hackers, release groups ... they do stuff because they can. Because they want to do it first. The only way to prevent things being hacked is not to have them locked up in the first place. As long as they are, it's just a game to someone.

Sony might not hire him, but someone probably will.

 

[thecoreyhlltt]

Notorious iPhone Hacker Posts PS3 Master Key Online

Hacker dumps a security nightmare into Sony's lap, then uses the opportunity to try to find himself employment.

George "GeoHot" Hotz, who gained notoriety for his iPhone jailbreaks as well as his PS3 jailbreak [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97780-iPhone-Jailbreaker-Hacks-PS3] from early last year, has posted what he claims to be the PS3's root key on his website. This key will give people the ability to sign their own homebrew software and have the PS3 think that it's genuine.

In a very short post, Hotz thanked the fail0verflow hacker team, who gave a presentation [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106511-Hacker-Group-Gives-Video-Tour-of-PS3-Security-System] about the PS3's security system just last week, for their assistance with the asymmetric part of the key. As proof that the key was genuine, he offered a "Hello World" program, a common exercise when you're starting out writing code, and thanked the people behind the open-source PS3 hombrew SDK, PSLight, who had made it possible for him to release it.

It's believed, although not confirmed, that Sony will have trouble changing this key without rendering a lot of PS3 software inoperable. If this is true, then there may be nothing that Sony can do to prevent people running their own homebrew software, or playing pirated games. Hotz made it clear that he didn't condone piracy, however, and hoped that people would use the key responsibly. He also offered his services to Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in making their next consoles secure, saying that it would be interesting to be on the other side of the fence.

Of course, the problem is that while Hotz might not condone piracy, there are plenty of others out there who have absolutely no problems with it at all. I don't know whether Hotz is genuinely hoping that people won't abuse the key, or whether he'd just trying to cover his own back, but either way, he's made it much easier for a lot of would-be pirates


Source: 1up [http://www.1up.com/news/hacker-claims-ps3-root-key]


Permalink

hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa! i find these kinds of things hilarious!!!!

 

[VanityGirl]

My big question is, what does this mean for Sony?

 

[Luke Cartner]

Notorious iPhone Hacker Posts PS3 Master Key Online


In a very short post, Hotz thanked the fail0verflow hacker team, who gave a presentation [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106511-Hacker-Group-Gives-Video-Tour-of-PS3-Security-System] about the PS3's security system just last week, for their assistance with the asymmetric part of the key.



Of course, the problem is that while Hotz might not condone piracy, there are plenty of others out there who have absolutely no problems with it at all. I don't know whether Hotz is genuinely hoping that people won't abuse the key, or whether he'd just trying to cover his own back, but either way, he's made it much easier for a lot of would-be pirates


Source: 1up [http://www.1up.com/news/hacker-claims-ps3-root-key]


Permalink

To be fair to Hotz he hasn't really made this easier for would be pirates per se. sony did so when they used a shared secret in the form of a key as:
1) if a pirate made a perfect copy it would contain the result of the master key in it and function without the pirate having active knowledge of the key itself
2) share secrets are possible to reverse engine, leak or other wise obtain; sony is lucky it remained a secret all these years since the original release.

While any form of DRM is an "arms race" scenario using a water mark such as this is simply a case of "security through obscurity". Which relies on people not knowing about or not looking for the secret.
To be honest I would expect sony to be more upset that homebrew and indy dev's can release on the platform without giving sony a cut more than piracy (which a quick google indicates is occurring with or without the masterkey).

 

[thecoreyhlltt]

I'll spell this out for you, since you didn't seem to get what I was asking.

Read your reply again; it's clearly not asking what you're claiming it's asking, but whatever I'll pretend other-wise seeing as how this is your attempt to save face.

What the heck did you read that would instill the thought that the majority of the use would just be for pirating.

The piracy figures for any of the consoles out there in proportion to devices modified for other purposes is going to be in favor of piracy...what the hell did you read that would make you feel otherwise? Considering it's been called "the most intensely pirated market ever.", if you think homebrew / other means is of more interest to a wider range of people you must be delusional.

I am asking for the source for what ever you read, or heard, or saw, that would lead you to make you assume this.

You mean beyond the staggering ratio of DS, PSP, PC and Xbox 360 piracy? If you beleive there're more people using these tools legitimately then you're very naive...

If you really want me to find some figures for those platforms I will do but if you've been following any form of gaming media you should know how high [particular the first 3] the piracy rates are; introducing this to the market is clearly only going to cause piracy.

I wouldn't have quoted the "That's a assumed fact" if I didn't read it. I yanked that entire sentence, and bolded the part I took issue with and the left the other part, as it was relevant to my interest.

The only thing it was relevant to was pointing out the fact that I'm not quoting actual sources... So you ask for sources?

Instead, you decided to assail me, instead of asking for clarification of my reply. Either respond like a normal individual, or don't respond at all.

This coming from the person that so eloquently ended his previous reply with "kthx". It's pretty difficult to take anything you state about forum responses seriously, gotta love the hypocrisy though...

was it really necessary to be a dick?

 

[Seanchaidh]

How dare people increase the capabilities of the hardware that they bought? Why, that's just downright innovative! And we all know that innovation is bad. Objecting to the actions of this hacker is essentially objecting to his making a product that he bought better. This man added armrests to his chair. To the pillory!

 

[Ghengis John]

was it really necessary to be a dick?

Not to be a jerk but, your avatar is Vicious, king of the dicks and yet you disapprove of dickedness?

How dare people increase the capabilities of the hardware that they bought? Why, that's just downright innovative! And we all know that innovation is bad. Objecting to the actions of this hacker is essentially objecting to his making a product that he bought better. This man added armrests to his chair. To the pillory!

He also just made it possible for many people to sit in the chair as often as they'd like in their own home without ever buying one themselves. Now the chair maker and his wife will starve and the chairmaker's children, they'll wind up in one of them Godawful factories they will!

Not that I'm not itching to play my PC games on my PS3, I just know there's a lot of people out there with net connections that like free things. Go figure.

 

[newwiseman]

hackers make for the best security consultants. Makes sense to pimp him self to potential targe-uhh I mean employers.

 

[thecoreyhlltt]

was it really necessary to be a dick?

Not to be a jerk but, your avatar is Vicious, king of the dicks and yet you disapprove of dickedness?

How dare people increase the capabilities of the hardware that they bought? Why, that's just downright innovative! And we all know that innovation is bad. Objecting to the actions of this hacker is essentially objecting to his making a product that he bought better. This man added armrests to his chair. To the pillory!

He also just made it possible for many people to sit in the chair as often as they'd like in their own home without ever buying one themselves. Now the chair maker and his wife will starve and the chairmaker's children, they'll wind up in one of them Godawful factories they will!

Not that I'm not itching to play my PC games on my PS3, I just know there's a lot of people out there with net connections that like free things. Go figure.

i think vicious gets a bad rap just cause he's spikes enemey and leader of the syndicate. but who knows, he could just be acting out of frustration and hatred towards his father. besides, we all know he loves julia too. vicious just needs a hug.