Notre Dame Cathedral is Burning Badly right now.

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Bit of good news, at least. The paintings, crown of thorns, holy sacraments, all good. Though one or two news sources are now saying "some" of the paintings were saved, so I suppose we'll see.
What? The literal, actual crown of thorns from Jesus's crucifiction?
It's like the Shroud of Turin - very 'real'.
 

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trunkage said:
Yeah, this is about as bad as Westboro blaming cyclones in Austrlaia for the people voting for same sex marriage or Trump blaming job destruction and crime on immigrants or the Pope blaming sex abuse in the Catholic Church on the sexual revolution.
While I can't see that Tweet (it's gone), I'd say that someone on Twitter saying something (I'm guessing about how Catholics are bad), isn't even close to the previous head of the Church saying 'It's not our fault so many priests are child abusers, it's a side effect of women wearing short skirts'.
 

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trunkage said:
Kwak said:
Leg End said:
Bit of good news, at least. The paintings, crown of thorns, holy sacraments, all good. Though one or two news sources are now saying "some" of the paintings were saved, so I suppose we'll see.
What? The literal, actual crown of thorns from Jesus's crucifiction?
It's like the Shroud of Turin - very 'real'.
I'm possibly being too naive here.
I also learned my spelling is not very good. ( it's crucifixion apparently, though cruci-fiction has a certain unintended anti-establishment ring to it.)
 

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trunkage said:
Yeah, this is about as bad as Westboro blaming cyclones in Austrlaia for the people voting for same sex marriage or Trump blaming job destruction and crime on immigrants or the Pope blaming sex abuse in the Catholic Church on the sexual revolution.
While I can't see that Tweet (it's gone), I'd say that someone on Twitter saying something (I'm guessing about how Catholics are bad), isn't even close to the previous head of the Church saying 'It's not our fault so many priests are child abusers, it's a side effect of women wearing short skirts'.
It's a lot easier for him than to say; Hey priests, you can have wives now, celibacy isn't that fun anyway, live it up.

As for the Notre Dame, it's a bit sad to see that old architecture go up in flames, but I'm sure they'll renovate the destroyed parts so I'm not too fuzzed about it.
 

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At least it seems to mainly just be the roof that burned. Thats pretty easy to replace, even if the original beams are gone it was never really the interior people think about when they think of Notre Dame. They made old buildings to last thankfully. Though I dread to think what the tunnels below it look like now with all that water.

It's weird witnessing stuff like this because it's one of those moments where it feels like you're witnessing history but at the same time it'll just be a minor fact about a building. 80 years from now when bored kids are being taught about the 2010-2020 period they'll be bored being taught about how God Emperor Trump saved the pandas and won the Middle Eastern Sand War and no one will care about a fire in a church, but we'll all probably remember it for the rest of our lives.

Also fuck the people celebrating it. I don't understand how people can't separate art from the artist or what a monument to human endeavour is. Christians can still admire the Great Mosque of Djenne, Muslims can still admire Notre Dame. People who can't appreciate that certain places and works of art transcend politics and religion and become a part of humanities collective culture are literal brainlets and need to be slapped up sharp because its people like that that hold everyone back.

And also fuck the people who only care because it's European and they could actually see it burning. I don't remember this amount of sadness when ISIS were going around bulldozing and blowing up Iraqi and Syrian monuments.
 

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Kwak said:
What? The literal, actual crown of thorns from Jesus's crucifixion?
Alleged components and such, yes. There's no way in hell that it could ever be verified as genuine, but they value it nonetheless. I can only imagine that the dude who rushed that out felt quite special, real or not.
Kwak said:
I'm possibly being too naive here.
I mean, who knows? It's not impossible that such a thing could have been preserved, just highly unlikely.
 

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Really awful. I was watching the news like mad Dter I heard and it was so bad when the news seemed entirely grim at first. At one point they even said they thought they could lose it all. Thankfully that didn't turn out to be the case
 

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Here Comes Tomorrow said:
At least it seems to mainly just be the roof that burned. Thats pretty easy to replace, even if the original beams are gone it was never really the interior people think about when they think of Notre Dame. They made old buildings to last thankfully. Though I dread to think what the tunnels below it look like now with all that water.
Everything that got soaked from the fire fighting effort, which looking at interior shots post-fire looks like most of the building, will probably still need to be either replaced or have extensive work done to it to prevent long-term problems from water damage. Not to diminish the firemen's efforts of course. Water damage is a reality of fire fighting, and preferable to burning to the ground.
 
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Here Comes Tomorrow said:
Also fuck the people celebrating it. I don't understand how people can't separate art from the artist or what a monument to human endeavour is. Christians can still admire the Great Mosque of Djenne, Muslims can still admire Notre Dame. People who can't appreciate that certain places and works of art transcend politics and religion and become a part of humanities collective culture are literal brainlets and need to be slapped up sharp because its people like that that hold everyone back.
When The Church of Satan is sending out condolences, on what level of pigheaded twattery must be people who celebrate it?

I don't remember this amount of sadness when ISIS were going around bulldozing and blowing up Iraqi and Syrian monuments.
Eh, depends where you were around i guess. I remember plenty of outrage over what ISIS did to Palmyra.
 

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trunkage said:
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You know what sucks? Some people are blaming politics for this whole mess. God, I hate people sometimes...
Others are saying it?s deserved because it?s a Catholic Church.

People are disgusting monsters.

Edit: or saying it doesn?t matter cause other things are happening in the world.

https://twitter.com/jessbhdz/status/1117867072438988800?s=21
Yeah, this is about as bad as Westboro blaming cyclones in Austrlaia for the people voting for same sex marriage or Trump blaming job destruction and crime on immigrants or the Pope blaming sex abuse in the Catholic Church on the sexual revolution.

Even if some people in the Catholic Church did the wrong thing, not all of them have. The Notre Dame literally did nothing. It's a building.
On top of that it?s just as important for the amount of art it contains. It?s a important part of France. It?d be just as bad as if someone destroyed the Pyramids or if you built stuff over the Nazca lines.
 

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Baffle2 said:
trunkage said:
Yeah, this is about as bad as Westboro blaming cyclones in Austrlaia for the people voting for same sex marriage or Trump blaming job destruction and crime on immigrants or the Pope blaming sex abuse in the Catholic Church on the sexual revolution.
While I can't see that Tweet (it's gone), I'd say that someone on Twitter saying something (I'm guessing about how Catholics are bad), isn't even close to the previous head of the Church saying 'It's not our fault so many priests are child abusers, it's a side effect of women wearing short skirts'.
She was saying ?don?t feel bad because worse things are happening in this world?.
 

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RaikuFA said:
She was saying "don't feel bad because worse things are happening in this world".
In that, she's technically correct, there are worse things happening. OTOH, it's possible to care about multiple things at once and so to feel bad about the fire as well as other things that are, by most standards, worse. Any loss of life in the fire would've made it a significantly greater tragedy than having to repair the building, but people die unnecessarily all the time and we don't, by and large, care that much.

What the ex-Pope said was definitely worse than that Tweet though.
 

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Eh, depends where you were around i guess. I remember plenty of outrage over what ISIS did to Palmyra.
I think here people were angry about it rather than sad. It felt not that people were losing something themselves, but that they didn't like what the people they hated were doing to someone else. Or, I suppose, it's the difference between a deliberate act and what, so far, I think is being considered an accident.
 

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Coincidently, this [https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/772495/al-aqsa-mosque-fire-jerusalem-notre-dame-islam-muslims-jews-israel-palestine?fbclid=IwAR2YhJAoWewMBMCwWE3w27ETiMwb4xAHjoDsZ980McUt71OFtzfhNzoa9Ak] happened at the same time
 

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Thaluikhain said:
Coincidently, this [https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/772495/al-aqsa-mosque-fire-jerusalem-notre-dame-islam-muslims-jews-israel-palestine?fbclid=IwAR2YhJAoWewMBMCwWE3w27ETiMwb4xAHjoDsZ980McUt71OFtzfhNzoa9Ak] happened at the same time
In France such things rarely happen, in Jerusalem you're describing a Tuesday.

Okay, maybe not that frequently. The 3rd of a month.
 

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Thaluikhain said:
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You know what sucks? Some people are blaming politics for this whole mess. God, I hate people sometimes...
Even if it was a total accident with nothing to do with politics, it'd be no surprise if someone didn't try scoring political points by blaming someone or other for this.
That didn't take long...
https://www.theepochtimes.com/isis-propaganda-group-celebrates-notre-dame-fire-as-retribution_2881770.html
 

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Gorfias said:
Thaluikhain said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
You know what sucks? Some people are blaming politics for this whole mess. God, I hate people sometimes...
Even if it was a total accident with nothing to do with politics, it'd be no surprise if someone didn't try scoring political points by blaming someone or other for this.
That didn't take long...
https://www.theepochtimes.com/isis-propaganda-group-celebrates-notre-dame-fire-as-retribution_2881770.html
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/notre-dame-hoax-timeline

A lot of it going round.
 

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Good news, and I suspect will be an article on this site's main page soon enough: Assassin Creed: Unit will be used to help recreate the Cathedral!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-video-game-assassins-creed-could-help-in-its-restoration/
 

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saint of m said:
Good news, and I suspect will be an article on this site's main page soon enough: Assassin Creed: Unit will be used to help recreate the Cathedral!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-video-game-assassins-creed-could-help-in-its-restoration/
Related to this, Ubisoft has pledged upwards of 500,000 Euros ($564,000) to the restoration and is offering Assassin's Creed Unity for free (via their website or Uplay) until April 25, "to give everyone the chance to experience the majesty and beauty of Notre-Dame the best way we know how". And to give them credit, Unity was a hot mess, but the architecture is something to behold, with Notre Dame being very nearly at a 1:1 ratio.
 

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Asita said:
saint of m said:
Good news, and I suspect will be an article on this site's main page soon enough: Assassin Creed: Unit will be used to help recreate the Cathedral!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-video-game-assassins-creed-could-help-in-its-restoration/
Related to this, Ubisoft has pledged upwards of 500,000 Euros ($564,000) to the restoration and is offering Assassin's Creed Unity for free (via their website or Uplay) until April 25, "to give everyone the chance to experience the majesty and beauty of Notre-Dame the best way we know how". And to give them credit, Unity was a hot mess, but the architecture is something to behold, with Notre Dame being very nearly at a 1:1 ratio.
It's interesting that we consider it good level design when the "designer" literally takes a blueprint and copies it. Possibly one of the easier level design jobs one could have.