Not sure how you interpreted me indicating that I'm sticking my tongue out at you as smugly superior.Felix said:Wow. I am impressed with how much you misunderstood what I wrote. This has nothing to do with the argument, but because of the smugly superior tone in your response I see no other way than to give you a response in turn.funguy2121 said:The Renaissance. Also known as the Enlightenment. It wasn't the first, either; about two millennia before the time of Leonardo, there were people like Socrates and Aristotle. Though some of the more famous ones (Plato) never actually wrote anything, like the Renaissance, these developments had a pretty decent impact on society. Like the computer, the cell phone, the video games, mathematics, property rights, the concept of freedom, and all sciences. And how did this knowledge spread? Look, if it makes you feel hip and modern, you can read Dostoyevski on a Kindle. As long as you read Dostoyevski. Until you do, you won't make my Christmas listFelix said:We hear this all the fucking time...
Middle ages: Put away the ball and go work!
Renaissance: Put away the book and go outside!
1930: Turn off the radio and pick up a book!
1950: Turn off the tv and pick up a book!
1970: Put away those comics and pick up a book!
1990: Hang up the phone and pick up a book!
2000: Turn off that computer and pick up a book!
2011: Turn off the video games and pick up a book!
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with books. Sure, there are shitloads of really good books out there and God knows I love reading good books. But there are an equal amount if not more of really shitty books. It's like people think that books have a monopoly on intriguing and fascinating narrative and story. Besides, doing one single thing too much is never good no matter what it is.
Also, I take issue with your interpretation of those eras/decades. I don't think those are very accurate.
Yes, books aren't new and as you say there was books long before the Renaissance or indeed the middle ages. However, because the vast majority of people alive before the middle ages were completely illiterate, books were of no real importance to the general population. And even if you could read, books were comparatively rare, since all books were written by hand before the printing press was invented in the 15th century.
And I take offence at the notion that I need to "feel hip and modern" because that isn't what this is about. Neither am I opposed to books or reading in general. My query was about the fascination with books over every other media. Shakespeare is a great example. Kids in school are forced to READ his works, even though the man was a playwright.
Also, I take issue with your name. I don't find you very fun guy at all.
Not sure how you interpreted me indicating that I'm sticking my tongue out at you as smugly superior.Felix said:Wow. I am impressed with how much you misunderstood what I wrote. This has nothing to do with the argument, but because of the smugly superior tone in your response I see no other way than to give you a response in turn.funguy2121 said:The Renaissance. Also known as the Enlightenment. It wasn't the first, either; about two millennia before the time of Leonardo, there were people like Socrates and Aristotle. Though some of the more famous ones (Plato) never actually wrote anything, like the Renaissance, these developments had a pretty decent impact on society. Like the computer, the cell phone, the video games, mathematics, property rights, the concept of freedom, and all sciences. And how did this knowledge spread? Look, if it makes you feel hip and modern, you can read Dostoyevski on a Kindle. As long as you read Dostoyevski. Until you do, you won't make my Christmas listFelix said:We hear this all the fucking time...
Middle ages: Put away the ball and go work!
Renaissance: Put away the book and go outside!
1930: Turn off the radio and pick up a book!
1950: Turn off the tv and pick up a book!
1970: Put away those comics and pick up a book!
1990: Hang up the phone and pick up a book!
2000: Turn off that computer and pick up a book!
2011: Turn off the video games and pick up a book!
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with books. Sure, there are shitloads of really good books out there and God knows I love reading good books. But there are an equal amount if not more of really shitty books. It's like people think that books have a monopoly on intriguing and fascinating narrative and story. Besides, doing one single thing too much is never good no matter what it is.
Also, I take issue with your interpretation of those eras/decades. I don't think those are very accurate.
Yes, books aren't new and as you say there was books long before the Renaissance or indeed the middle ages. However, because the vast majority of people alive before the middle ages were completely illiterate, books were of no real importance to the general population. And even if you could read, books were comparatively rare, since all books were written by hand before the printing press was invented in the 15th century.
And I take offence at the notion that I need to "feel hip and modern" because that isn't what this is about. Neither am I opposed to books or reading in general. My query was about the fascination with books over every other media. Shakespeare is a great example. Kids in school are forced to READ his works, even though the man was a playwright.
Also, I take issue with your name. I don't find you very fun guy at all.
A valid point, but that does not mean we have to agree with it and we can protest itHaelium said:Exactly, so he is free to say whatever the fuck he likes in his blog.Donttazemehbro said:NoBama, we have freedom of expression in this country.
And that's all well and good but I'm saying we have the right to choose whether to do so. I'm an 18 year old high school graduate going to an honors program in a college, i have straight A's and I'm in Premed a gamer. I spend a great deal of time on games but i still manage to do what i do. There are more that are successful and are gamers. I do read but only what is required of me. I will say i agree that it should be limited to a certain degree but i think it should be the parents decision and i think they have the right to choose that for themselves.Blitzwing said:Protest what? All he?s saying is that kids should play fewer video games and focus more on school.Donttazemehbro said:A valid point, but that does not mean we have to agree with it and we can protest itHaelium said:Exactly, so he is free to say whatever the fuck he likes in his blog.Donttazemehbro said:NoBama, we have freedom of expression in this country.
Because drafts of bills, technical papers, engineering documentation, scientific periodicals, and newsprint are not books. Obama qualified it himself.A Gent of Villainous Intent said:Wait.Grospoliner said:Dear Obama. I read more than you do each year, your argument is invalid.
When is Obama NOT reading?
He reads bills, laws, statements, agendas, mission summaries, country updates, teleprompters...
I mean Jeez. What do you read that can beat that?
Obama isn't talking about you, you clearly didn't read what he said. And take it from me, I have 12 PHDs and a Nobel prize in literature.Donttazemehbro said:And that's all well and good but I'm saying we have the right to choose whether to do so. I'm an 18 year old high school graduate going to an honors program in a college, i have straight A's and I'm in Premed a gamer. I spend a great deal of time on games but i still manage to do what i do. There are more that are successful and are gamers. I do read but only what is required of me. I will say i agree that it should be limited to a certain degree but i think it should be the parents decision and i think they have the right to choose that for themselves.Blitzwing said:Protest what? All he?s saying is that kids should play fewer video games and focus more on school.Donttazemehbro said:A valid point, but that does not mean we have to agree with it and we can protest itHaelium said:Exactly, so he is free to say whatever the fuck he likes in his blog.Donttazemehbro said:NoBama, we have freedom of expression in this country.
It's not really about games, more to do with parenting.Hamish Durie said:agreeing with this although mabye instead of a book go outside and play, learn an instument, get a job? most of these would have been equally and(in my opinion) better then put down the controller and read
But Obama is the one who is saying it, so therefore they will complain. Without reading what he actually said of course.Vault101 said:I dont see why people are getting so defensive, its not like he's saying VIDEO GAMES ARE THE DEVIL
you may have a point....Haelium said:But Obama is the one who is saying it, so therefore they will complain. Without reading what he actually said of course.Vault101 said:I dont see why people are getting so defensive, its not like he's saying VIDEO GAMES ARE THE DEVIL