Okay it's official: I fucking HATE "Old World Blues"

[BloatedGuppy]

Put it this way, Your complaining the game is too hard for DLC. I object the stupidity of your argument because of the timing of old world blues release date was made for fans of the game I.M.O who wanted a challenge. So you arguing that the game was too hard was probably their intention in the first place.

If you simply had of beaten the game and gone pfft this was easier than being with liam neeson killing radroaches in FO3 then it would of been a lot worse response from the community as a whole. Crashing and bugs are unfortunate but nearly every AAA game has had bugs left right center. It doesn't make it right but your singeing it out as some shocking news.

I am sure you can always reduce the difficulty to timid or whatever the options bar says if your finding the game too difficult.

I think I've said twice in this thread now that difficulty is not the issue, but I'll repeat it again here for your benefit. The game is not difficult. High HP mobs are not difficult. They're just annoying.

Try again.

Huh. There are more people who liked Dead Money than I thought. I, personally, liked Dead Money as well. The atmosphere and isolation really set a good mood for the story of the Sierra Madre.

For what it's worth, I also liked Dead Money. I liked it enough, actually, that I found myself wishing they'd married it to a better game engine and fleshed it out a bit. It would've made an interesting stand alone. I got the feeling they were going for a heavily atmospheric/the world is hostile feel, like a post-nuclear Dark Souls. It worked pretty well, but Gamebryo is aging and its general plonkiness held the DLC back.

 

[kingthrall]

I think I've said twice in this thread now that difficulty is not the issue, but I'll repeat it again here for your benefit. The game is not difficult. High HP mobs are not difficult. They're just annoying.

Mobs of like 2-4 characters with high Hp? You cant be seriously giving that excuse as an argument.
If they are annoying just run past them like I do, Half the enemies most players cant even be bothered to pick a fight with when your a high level in F.O.N.V so why is this any different?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Mobs of like 2-4 characters with high Hp? You cant be seriously giving that excuse as an argument.

If they are annoying just run past them like I do, Half the enemies most players cant even be bothered to pick a fight with when your a high level in F.O.N.V so why is this any different?

Jesus Christ, Thrall, you've been here for over a year and you still haven't learned how to tag a quote properly? Come on!

Well, because I don't want to "just run past them". The point of the game is not to "just run past" things because the designers thought puffing up the HP scaling to a factor of 10 would be the cat's pajamas in the new DLC.

And honestly, I can't even make sense of your first sentence. Oh shit, no, wait, I take it back. You're using "mob" in the dictionary term, as in "a group". I'm using the CRPG term that had its genesis in MUDs. "Mob" or "Mobile object". A "mob" is a monster. Or bad guy. Hostile NPC.

 

[kingthrall]

1. Your assuming I care enough to quote properly, I dont.

2. There are many games that they puff up hp in similar circumstances. Lollypop chainsaw is probally the easiest to come off the top of my head with that fat Elvis guy.

3. Your assuming yet again that we are all playing a text game of zork, when a mob in modern games would most likely mean a group of enemies. Especially a modern game like Vegas.

2 out of the three points in your post are personal attacks on me, your fractured views on F.O.N.V are showing by the desperation of each post now.

 

[uchytjes]

3. Damage/hit points

I know EXACTLY where you are coming from. I tried going in with the best guns, and perked out to boot and ended up getting my ass handed to me. I advise against the use of ANY guns. If you want to get the most enjoyment out of the DLC, I recommend the Saturnite fist melee weapon and the upgraded "superheated" fist once you get the toaster working. Go punch stuff in the face, it really is the best way to go about it. Hell, I even remember going around and hitting the Cazadoeres and nightstalkers with the thing and it working wonders.

Haven't played it yet, but my character only uses guns, so does that mean I'm pretty much screwed?

Not at all. I hadn't even done anything with melee weapons before the DLC. During, I burnt through ALL my bullets the first day and found the fist sometime during. After, I just ran around punching shit in the face with the super-heated saturnite fist. It really is a damn good weapon. (I'm not sure on the spelling, though)

 

[Altorin]

One word by OWB is so hard... It's where the nightmares come from. Little ones, big ones, special ones, many of them grouped together in tight corridors. Especially after the patch that reduced the damage they do with hits, but speeds up their poison damage to warp speed...


Cazadors.



... *curls up in a corner and starts crying*


Everything else was pretty awesome though! I was laughing my butt off most the time, when i wasnt finding new corners to cry in.

Shoot the wings with VATS.

You'll see how great and powerful Cazadores are when they're flip flopping and are forced to scuttle on the ground

Spoiler alert - They're pushovers.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Not at all. I hadn't even done anything with melee weapons before the DLC. During, I burnt through ALL my bullets the first day and found the fist sometime during. After, I just ran around punching shit in the face with the super-heated saturnite fist. It really is a damn good weapon. (I'm not sure on the spelling, though)

I believe it's Saturnite.

Alas, my unarmed skill was super low (~35). Not sure if "punch-em" would've been a viable strategy. The fist itself looks to do 55 points of damage, which is about 1/2 of what the Anti-Material Rifle dishes out on a standard shot. I wonder why you found it so effective. Does unarmed come with some kind of heavy DT bypass?

 

[ultrachicken]

My only problems with Old World Blues are the crap scaling and that a few of the quests are too repetitive. Otherwise it was definitely one of my favorite DLCs for the game. I really liked the humor and I found the area interesting to explore, as well as visually stunning.

 

[My name is Fiction]

Unarmed weapons are just naturaly light, high derability, and high sneak attack criticals. The two step goodbye can probably oneshot a deathclaw. That and you can get 2 fists in faster than a anti-material shot. Altho the gauss rifle beats the material rifle in alot of ways.

 

[uchytjes]

Not at all. I hadn't even done anything with melee weapons before the DLC. During, I burnt through ALL my bullets the first day and found the fist sometime during. After, I just ran around punching shit in the face with the super-heated saturnite fist. It really is a damn good weapon. (I'm not sure on the spelling, though)

I believe it's Saturnite.

Alas, my unarmed skill was super low (~35). Not sure if "punch-em" would've been a viable strategy. The fist itself looks to do 55 points of damage, which is about 1/2 of what the Anti-Material Rifle dishes out on a standard shot. I wonder why you found it so effective. Does unarmed come with some kind of heavy DT bypass?

No, its just faster (49.3 v.s. 90.8 DPS) and has no ammo. Sure you can't send a "fuck you" from across the map, but you won't have to worry about ammo conservation or carrying around the hefty weapon itself. Also, I recommend using a sneaking approach if you use the fist.

Again, the main advantage is the ammo conservation. Save that ammo for something tough like the boss at the end of the DLC.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

No, its just faster (49.3 v.s. 90.8 DPS) and has no ammo. Sure you can't send a "fuck you" from across the map, but you won't have to worry about ammo conservation or carrying around the hefty weapon itself. Also, I recommend using a sneaking approach if you use the fist.

Again, the main advantage is the ammo conservation. Save that ammo for something tough like the boss at the end of the DLC.

Yeah I sneak everywhere. I use a cavalry sword...or dragoon sword...fuck it I can't remember what it's called...as my "conserve ammo" weapon.

I "killed" the giant radscorpion by hacking the many terminals around the chamber. Was something of an anti-climactic battle, really, but I was pleased to not have to whittle away the 5,000,000 HP the designers were sure to have given it.

 

[Ix Rebound]

One word by OWB is so hard... It's where the nightmares come from. Little ones, big ones, special ones, many of them grouped together in tight corridors. Especially after the patch that reduced the damage they do with hits, but speeds up their poison damage to warp speed...


Cazadors.



... *curls up in a corner and starts crying*


Everything else was pretty awesome though! I was laughing my butt off most the time, when i wasnt finding new corners to cry in.

Shoot the wings with VATS.

You'll see how great and powerful Cazadores are when they're flip flopping and are forced to scuttle on the ground

Spoiler alert - They're pushovers.

That's always a problem for me whenever I use VATS, its either a kill shot or nothing for me
I only ever aim for their head, torso or gun, I never think to shoot there legs to slow them down or anything

 

[rickthetrick]

I don't remember anything being that hard to kill except that damn legendary bloatfly. Can you say op as hell?
Everything else died pretty quickly, but then again I was using the holorifle which is pretty damn op itself.
The only thing that grated on my nerves were the repetitive canned public announcements.

 

[uchytjes]

No, its just faster (49.3 v.s. 90.8 DPS) and has no ammo. Sure you can't send a "fuck you" from across the map, but you won't have to worry about ammo conservation or carrying around the hefty weapon itself. Also, I recommend using a sneaking approach if you use the fist.

Again, the main advantage is the ammo conservation. Save that ammo for something tough like the boss at the end of the DLC.

Yeah I sneak everywhere. I use a cavalry sword...or dragoon sword...fuck it I can't remember what it's called...as my "conserve ammo" weapon.

I "killed" the giant radscorpion by hacking the many terminals around the chamber. Was something of an anti-climactic battle, really, but I was pleased to not have to whittle away the 5,000,000 HP the designers were sure to have given it.

Yeah... I would have done that too had I taken the time to think "there is probably a non-violent approach to this". Honestly, I'm pretty sure I unloaded all the ammo I had saved up on that thing before it went down.

 

[Sansha]

I haven't played Old World Blues because Dead Money was so bad, so offensively appalling, so aggressively putrid and toxic that it completely ruined New Vegas for me, despite 300+ hours of play time.

Haven't played New Vegas since forcing my way through that rancid shit. I uninstalled the entire game, and even couldn't play Fallout 3 for months.

I've been gaming since 1992 and 'Dead Money' DLC for Fallout: New Vegas. is easily the worst gaming product ever conceived by human minds and hands.

No bullshit. I hate it that much.

 

[Hagi]

I personally found it the most enjoyable DLC. It simply had a lot of personality and seemed to suit the open-world design of Fallout (Bethesda version) much better.

Dead Money seemed far too linear and Honest Hearts seemed to lack personality, too much like the Mojave.

Then again, I do always play with mods so I encounter neither the bugs nor the imbalanced enemies.

 

[Altorin]

One word by OWB is so hard... It's where the nightmares come from. Little ones, big ones, special ones, many of them grouped together in tight corridors. Especially after the patch that reduced the damage they do with hits, but speeds up their poison damage to warp speed...


Cazadors.



... *curls up in a corner and starts crying*


Everything else was pretty awesome though! I was laughing my butt off most the time, when i wasnt finding new corners to cry in.

Shoot the wings with VATS.

You'll see how great and powerful Cazadores are when they're flip flopping and are forced to scuttle on the ground

Spoiler alert - They're pushovers.

That's always a problem for me whenever I use VATS, its either a kill shot or nothing for me
I only ever aim for their head, torso or gun, I never think to shoot there legs to slow them down or anything

Shoot the wings.

Trust me. You'll feel like a moron for never having done it before. But that's ok, because you'll never have to worry about cazadores again (ok, that's not true, but they become much easier)

 

[5ilver]

One word by OWB is so hard... It's where the nightmares come from. Little ones, big ones, special ones, many of them grouped together in tight corridors. Especially after the patch that reduced the damage they do with hits, but speeds up their poison damage to warp speed...


Cazadors.



... *curls up in a corner and starts crying*


Everything else was pretty awesome though! I was laughing my butt off most the time, when i wasnt finding new corners to cry in.

Shoot the wings with VATS.

You'll see how great and powerful Cazadores are when they're flip flopping and are forced to scuttle on the ground

Spoiler alert - They're pushovers.

That's always a problem for me whenever I use VATS, its either a kill shot or nothing for me
I only ever aim for their head, torso or gun, I never think to shoot there legs to slow them down or anything

Shoot the wings.

Trust me. You'll feel like a moron for never having done it before. But that's ok, because you'll never have to worry about cazadores again (ok, that's not true, but they become much easier)

Protip: Use a flamethrower or any kind of explosive weapon (grenade launchers <33 )


OT: I didn't like OWB that much either. It was alright- not the best not the worst, as long as you're bellow level 30. At 40+, average mob hp starts getting ridiculous and annoying more than anything. As someone else said earlier, they probably just didn't playtest the DLC enough.

Honest Hearts was probably the worst with Lonesome Road taking #2 worst. Nothing beats the atmosphere of opression in the Sierra Madre

 

[Zantos]

I really liked Old World Blues. In fact the only DLC I didn't particularly like was Honest Hearts, I found myself wandering between quest markers not really caring about a single thing going on.

Old World Blues on the other hand, I found the humour very refreshing. I also liked the unique items, so much so that I gave up whatever uber power armour I was using so the stealth suit could keep me company in Lonesome Road. As for the high HP thing, I too specialised in my small gun/big gun stuff with not much though to the energy, melee and unarmed. I burned through all my ammo, then I noticed the proton axe was good against robots. That was ludicrously effective. Like, coupled with my 'know no fear' attitude it was unnecessarily effective. And I had a blast, and when I left I'd occasionally go back to finish off sidequests and stuff because I liked being there.

But each to their own, you have your opinions, though I do question where it became necessary to create a thread about yours as if it made you something special.