Old social values you could get behind

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thaluikhain said:
There is that yes, but then we know that poverty causes increased crime rates.
Not necessarily, there's a lot of evidence that the 'poverty=crime' link is overblown, or maybe even totally false.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703580904574638024055735590?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052748703580904574638024055735590.html

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/80316/relationship-poverty-crime-rates-economic-conditions

http://www.citylab.com/crime/2013/08/hard-data-proves-housing-vouchers-dont-cause-crime/6404/
 

Emanuele Ciriachi

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giles said:
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All societies need newborns to continue existing.
Welp, now that you say it... seems kinda obvious! So obvious in fact, one might have assumed I was aware of it beforehand.

Anyway, I'll be off to create babies now, because that's clearly how our society will sustain itself.
Precisely. A society can procreate without over or underpopulating itself, which was my point. Obviously both excesses are to avoid, but that doesn't change the fact that it will always be fundamentally needed.
 

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Res Plus said:
Personal responsibility. Socialist apologism and massive dole handouts, free houses and cash for every kid you pop out has created an underclass in the uk which lives of the state. The left bribes them, they vote in the left, the left invents more handouts, they vote in the left. The poor tax payer gets hammered for more and more tax. There should be welfare provision in every civilised country but un the uk it's utterly out of control.
I'm fairly red by UK/US standards, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I do see what you mean. There is a core of truth to that term that deserves better.

Of course, personal responsibilty has been rather abused by the sort of person who will never realistically need any help through life's occasional bitchslaps and thus can't see why anyone else would. Neither they nor the labour dynasty is doing the concept any favours.
 

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I think things are better than we imagine they are in general. I've got one. Pride being a sin, or at least frowned upon. Vanity and hubris are basically celebrated now. We act like it's healthy and a quality of leadership, because it's attractive. It's not. It's why leaders screw things up and keep getting in deeper trouble.

Also, admitting fault. There's this pervasive myth that admitting fault for something is an opening for liability. But judges also favor people that are apologetic and honest. People are horrible at hiding a crime or their fault for something. The truth always comes out.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Yeah, I'm reading this on a machine powered by and made from plants contemporaneous with early dinosaurs, which allows me to gather information from places all across the globe. I can look at detailed pictures of the surfaces of every planet in the solar system, including those I can't even see with my own eyes. I can find things out about animals that went extinct in times that are several orders of magnitude older than the beginning of my own species. I'm not seeing a lack of wonder, I'm seeing people being jaded.
Just the night sky alone. I seriously wonder how people can look at the cosmos and not be filled with a sense of wonder and--for want of a better term--magic.
 

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It's probably about time religion made a comeback in the West. I'm irreligious. Also, multiculturalism has no place outside of settler nations such as Canada/USA/Brazil.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
thaluikhain said:
Yeah, I'm reading this on a machine powered by and made from plants contemporaneous with early dinosaurs, which allows me to gather information from places all across the globe. I can look at detailed pictures of the surfaces of every planet in the solar system, including those I can't even see with my own eyes. I can find things out about animals that went extinct in times that are several orders of magnitude older than the beginning of my own species. I'm not seeing a lack of wonder, I'm seeing people being jaded.
Just the night sky alone. I seriously wonder how people can look at the cosmos and not be filled with a sense of wonder and--for want of a better term--magic.
I think part of it is the fact that the cosmos, the universe is a very abstract thing to them. Most people will probably never get to set foot off this planet in our lifetimes, so I can understand the disinterest. You know how when kids are in school and they ask "how am I going to use this?" and if you don't have a good answer they just stop listening? That's how most people are about space, they don't think it affects them so they don't care.

 

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After World War II, I hear the United States government executed captured axis interrogators for waterboarding. I can't say I would mind a return to our old attitudes regarding torture.
 

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You know how when kids are in school and they ask "how am I going to use this?" and if you don't have a good answer they just stop listening?
How are abstract dragons going to be useful to the people complaining about a lack of wonder? I mean, unless there actually were dragons and they were impacting daily life....
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
You know how when kids are in school and they ask "how am I going to use this?" and if you don't have a good answer they just stop listening?
How are abstract dragons going to be useful to the people complaining about a lack of wonder? I mean, unless there actually were dragons and they were impacting daily life....
The same way abstract mathematics is.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
The same way abstract mathematics is.
I'm big enough to admit when I'm lost.
Being lost is the one time a person gets to feel like an explorer these days. GPS killed being physically lost so being mentally lost is now the only exploration mankind can achieve. Explore the universe within your own mind. Your filthy, disgusting mind.
 

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It's probably about time religion made a comeback in the West. I'm irreligious. Also, multiculturalism has no place outside of settler nations such as Canada/USA/Brazil.
Can I ask why to both of these? To me, religion seems like a bad thing and multiculturalism a good thing, so it's interesting that you think differently.
 

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Company loyalty, in both directions. Your employer wants you to stay on, and understands it's in their best interests to invest in and take care of you and your family; you want the company to do well because you feel like a functional part of a greater entity, not a cog in a machine that would be cheaper to replace than to repair. With the attendant understanding that you can't have middle-class consumers if you aren't willing to employ people at wages that allow them to be middle-class.

I'm half inclined to wish for a return of dueling culture, just on the lines that we'd stop hearing from the more egregiously obnoxious people so often.

(I kid.)

(Mostly.)
 

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Alek_the_Great said:
Vault101 said:
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I'm just... how... I mean... WHAT?!?! I know you're not a radical feminist or anything but that is literally one of the most stereotypical and cliched fallacious statements you could see those exact type of people spouting. I'm really having trouble trying to understand the reasoning behind the correlation.
Mabye the wording was a bit strong but as I said an obsession with purity and virginity has always negatively affected woman first and foremost
 

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Community.

In some ways, that's changed. Like in this forum, this is a community that wasn't possible years ago.

But, in many ways, it doesn't replace a neighborly community.

There was a time you needed a community, a tribe a town, or a guild to look after one another cause life was much more unpredictable. Reciprocal altruism helped us thrive.