Older Iceman Confirmed to Be Gay in Uncanny X-Men 600

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Why is this even important? Do we have articles with titles like "So and so confirmed to be straight!" Who cares? It shouldn't even matter.
 

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On topic, don't care. Whether or not this plotline is good or not depends on how well the book is written. You could bring in another timeline's Charles Xavier who's mutant power creates perfect confections and the X-Men wind up buying out The Cheesecake Factory, and as long as it's well written it would be ok. Execution trumps direction in writing.
Pluvia said:
It's a major change to a big Marvel character, which handles a situation which happens in real life commonly (the coming out much later in life part, not the time travel part lol), and is different from a normal situation of a character just coming out as gay.

Like Wolverine dying recently. A major event to a major character that was reported on wildly.
Not really, because Wolvie has "died" again and again and again... and somehow he's always coming back somehow. Not exactly sure the comparison to Bobby's coming out is apt... not sure that can happen as many times as Wolverine has "died."
 

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Clive Howlitzer said:
Why is this even important? Do we have articles with titles like "So and so confirmed to be straight!" Who cares? It shouldn't even matter.
They've reported changes to comic book characters as news before. Hell Escapist has reported iron Man wearing a new suit of armor as news. Its' nothing new.

Is it a dumb retcon, yeah but it's comics, you learn to expect dumb retcons. If you like it then keep reading if you don't then stop.
 

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Ok the family guy bit was awesome, didn't they make colossus gay in the Ultimate X-men before though? I'm sure a cross dressing magneto will be on the cards before long.
 

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Buckets said:
Ok the family guy bit was awesome, didn't they make colossus gay in the Ultimate X-men before though? I'm sure a cross dressing magneto will be on the cards before long.
To be fair, I would take that Magneto seriously just as much as I did the Magneto in the third X-Men movie.

OT: I wish I had more to add to this, but everyone's already brought up the best points or used a clip from a comedy before I could. I've got nothin.
 

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Well thats cool I suppose. Sorta wish that I still kept up with comics but I just don't have the budget these days
 

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Quality writing right there, about as good as a terrible comedy skit. It also seems like someone has a hard time drawing faces.
 

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camazotz said:
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EARTHSHATTERING! THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED!

/sarcasm

Here is the thing: I don't think anyone is surprised by anything Marvel does these days. If anything, they most likely found the most boring way to do this.
Just imagine if it had been a character-focused reveal in which Iceman breaks up with Kitty (assuming adult Iceman) or gets into a conflict with X-23 because she comes onto him and he freaks out (young iceman) after Angel (the guy he's really attracted to) walks in on them... and harsh words are spoken. He takes off, and in a myriad series of adventures lands in the lap of some noteworthy supervillain who is also revealed as gay (such as-say--Sabertooth or someone equally outrageous). Realizing a level of peace not felt in his meager teen life, Iceman works to reconcile his new identity with this discovery...and realizing he needs to embrace who he is, rather than risk letting the secret eat him up like it did (insert villain here) until all that's left is bitter resentment and anger at the world.

Instead we got an issue devoted to Jean Gray mind raping Iceman and outing him without his permission, or even his realization.
Haha, they should hire you, because who actually wrote it is terrible and boring.
 

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SlumlordThanatos said:
And why is this newsworthy?

Could someone explain this to me?
Because this and "big events" are what passes for news in the comics industry, regardless of whether it sticks or not.

Remember when DC make a big deal of making "an important character" gay? It was even discussed in the big picture [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5810-The-New-Green]. Then it turned out the "important character" was a version of Green Lantern that has not been prominent in the last 50 years...
 

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Xsjadoblayde said:
I have a funny feeling a lot of straight fans (and people that shouldn't even care) are not going to be quiet about this. Do i get points for getting these predictiona right? If not then i'll try and stop. :)
Given Iceman's been Bi in comics since the 90's and pretty much all the fan backlash is that it's bi-erasure, I'm afraid you ma have inaccurately predicted an event from 8 months ago.
So no points for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
 

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CaptainMarvelous said:
Given Iceman's been Bi in comics since the 90's and pretty much all the fan backlash is that it's bi-erasure, I'm afraid you ma have inaccurately predicted an event from 8 months ago.
So no points for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
Have you not heard? Sexuality is becoming considered a fluid trait for some. So he could change as many times as he wants. Plus, people do have desire changes in real life. I guess nobody likes change, no matter what it is.
 

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hermes200 said:
SlumlordThanatos said:
And why is this newsworthy?

Could someone explain this to me?
Because this and "big events" are what passes for news in the comics industry, regardless of whether it sticks or not.

Remember when DC make a big deal of making "an important character" gay? It was even discussed in the big picture [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5810-The-New-Green]. Then it turned out the "important character" was a version of Green Lantern that has not been prominent in the last 50 years...
It's no more sensationalist then when they do a "X Hero Dies" campaign. Or "Wolverine gets his adamantium ripped out" campaign they did. It's shaking up the established storylines to try and encourage more sales. This isn't anything new, it's just a different flavor of it for a different time.

OT: Seeing as I've never really given a damn what Iceman's orientation is one way or the other, having them establish him as gay for this one version of the comics (which will of course be changed at a later date by the next writer, this is comic books afterall, nothing stays the same), is perfectly fine. Make him gay, make him bi (or keep him bi if he always was), make him omnisexual, and let him shag all the freaky alien things that show up in comics. I don't care. Write him well. That's all I ask.
 

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Corey Schaff said:
Nah, Iceman can't have a fluid sexuality. He's not Waterman <.< *badumtshh*
Hah! Brilliant. That was ripe and begging to be picked. How did that pass by my radar? Eyes doth wool covered too much!
 

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Xsjadoblayde said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
Given Iceman's been Bi in comics since the 90's and pretty much all the fan backlash is that it's bi-erasure, I'm afraid you ma have inaccurately predicted an event from 8 months ago.
So no points for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
Have you not heard? Sexuality is becoming considered a fluid trait for some. So he could change as many times as he wants. Plus, people do have desire changes in real life. I guess nobody likes change, no matter what it is.
Wonka video aside though, Bi-erasure is kindof a legit social problem. I can name a solid 10-11 gay comic characters off the top of my head but I'm struggling to think of many bisexual ones who haven't been retconned into being straight or, like Iceman here, just out and out gay.
Your right nobody likes change but there's kindof a bit more behind the jimmies rustled by this story.
 

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Wow...and I thought New 52 was the only Universe with poor and cringe-worthy story-telling.

This is not a jab at the decision, just the way in which it happened. Incidentally, I would have guessed "bisexual" as opposed to gay...which, to wit, I can't recall if there are any notable characters who are bi (aside from how all vampires seem to be b/c food and sex seems all the same to them).
 

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Huh... I didn't realize this comic had such a good comedic timing...
http://oi62.tinypic.com/4qizwm.jpg
I think it's the character's expressions...

Other than that, is it weird to think this comic's comedic timing is due to living up to the "Uncanny" part of the comic's title?
 

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Pluvia said:
Kyrian007 said:
Not really, because Wolvie has "died" again and again and again... and somehow he's always coming back somehow. Not exactly sure the comparison to Bobby's coming out is apt... not sure that can happen as many times as Wolverine has "died."
Which means this is a bigger change to a major character than a previous one which was also news worthy.

So basically you just pointed out how much bigger this is than Wolverine dying, even though Wolverine dying was newsworthy.
Most astute, yes that is what I was saying. The "death" of Wolverine happens so often and is always just lame hype it's hardly noteworthy. And the coming out of a gay Iceman is more noteworthy. I wasn't trying to say it wasn't. I was saying it wasn't an apt comparison. I was specifically saying they WEREN'T similar. One was indeed a bigger deal than the other... that was my point exactly.

Now whether or not that leads to good comics... has nothing to do with Bobby's sexual preferences. It can be well written and good, or poorly written and not good. The exact same options that existed in the series before Bobby's coming out.