Older Iceman Confirmed to Be Gay in Uncanny X-Men 600
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Because this and "big events" are what passes for news in the comics industry, regardless of whether it sticks or not.SlumlordThanatos said:
Remember when DC make a big deal of making "an important character" gay? It was even discussed in the big picture [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5810-The-New-Green]. Then it turned out the "important character" was a version of Green Lantern that has not been prominent in the last 50 years...
Given Iceman's been Bi in comics since the 90's and pretty much all the fan backlash is that it's bi-erasure, I'm afraid you ma have inaccurately predicted an event from 8 months ago.Xsjadoblayde said:I have a funny feeling a lot of straight fans (and people that shouldn't even care) are not going to be quiet about this. Do i get points for getting these predictiona right? If not then i'll try and stop.
So no points for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
Have you not heard? Sexuality is becoming considered a fluid trait for some. So he could change as many times as he wants. Plus, people do have desire changes in real life. I guess nobody likes change, no matter what it is.CaptainMarvelous said:
It's no more sensationalist then when they do a "X Hero Dies" campaign. Or "Wolverine gets his adamantium ripped out" campaign they did. It's shaking up the established storylines to try and encourage more sales. This isn't anything new, it's just a different flavor of it for a different time.hermes200 said:
OT: Seeing as I've never really given a damn what Iceman's orientation is one way or the other, having them establish him as gay for this one version of the comics (which will of course be changed at a later date by the next writer, this is comic books afterall, nothing stays the same), is perfectly fine. Make him gay, make him bi (or keep him bi if he always was), make him omnisexual, and let him shag all the freaky alien things that show up in comics. I don't care. Write him well. That's all I ask.
Hah! Brilliant. That was ripe and begging to be picked. How did that pass by my radar? Eyes doth wool covered too much!Corey Schaff said:
Wonka video aside though, Bi-erasure is kindof a legit social problem. I can name a solid 10-11 gay comic characters off the top of my head but I'm struggling to think of many bisexual ones who haven't been retconned into being straight or, like Iceman here, just out and out gay.Xsjadoblayde said:
Your right nobody likes change but there's kindof a bit more behind the jimmies rustled by this story.
Wow...and I thought New 52 was the only Universe with poor and cringe-worthy story-telling.
This is not a jab at the decision, just the way in which it happened. Incidentally, I would have guessed "bisexual" as opposed to gay...which, to wit, I can't recall if there are any notable characters who are bi (aside from how all vampires seem to be b/c food and sex seems all the same to them).
This is not a jab at the decision, just the way in which it happened. Incidentally, I would have guessed "bisexual" as opposed to gay...which, to wit, I can't recall if there are any notable characters who are bi (aside from how all vampires seem to be b/c food and sex seems all the same to them).
Huh... I didn't realize this comic had such a good comedic timing...
http://oi62.tinypic.com/4qizwm.jpg
I think it's the character's expressions...
Other than that, is it weird to think this comic's comedic timing is due to living up to the "Uncanny" part of the comic's title?
http://oi62.tinypic.com/4qizwm.jpg
I think it's the character's expressions...
Other than that, is it weird to think this comic's comedic timing is due to living up to the "Uncanny" part of the comic's title?
Most astute, yes that is what I was saying. The "death" of Wolverine happens so often and is always just lame hype it's hardly noteworthy. And the coming out of a gay Iceman is more noteworthy. I wasn't trying to say it wasn't. I was saying it wasn't an apt comparison. I was specifically saying they WEREN'T similar. One was indeed a bigger deal than the other... that was my point exactly.Pluvia said:
Now whether or not that leads to good comics... has nothing to do with Bobby's sexual preferences. It can be well written and good, or poorly written and not good. The exact same options that existed in the series before Bobby's coming out.
I see your point, i have been fortunate enough to not have come across that before. Though do you honestly believe that this is their intention? To wipe any evidence of bisexuality from our media? It feels like a matter of perspective in this case. I would hope a comic writer would not hold such malevolent ambitions.CaptainMarvelous said:
I don't believe it's their intention but it is something they did, it's like you say, not being aware it's a problem kinda stops you being aware when you exacerbate it. Bendis (the guy who wrote that X-men arc) is generally a pretty upstanding dude and I think it was probably meant as an effort to be more inclusive for gay people, but the end result is a lot of bisexuals feel marginalised since it seems to be saying you can either be straight or gay. In-between is swept under the rug.Xsjadoblayde said:
That and the actual story wasn't handled very well since Jean Grey flat out tells the teenage Iceman that he's gay and so he is.
Except this isn't how time travel in the Marvel Universe works. Changing the past doesn't change your future but creates a new timeline.
So just because young Iceman is gay doesn't mean that future Iceman had to be. It's things like that which let us have the power couple of Hercules and Wolverine in Exiles.
Personally speaking I think it would have made for a more interesting story if young Bobby was gay but older Bobby was straight. Would have made for some great tension between him and team mates, as well as an interesting dynamic with his younger self.
Edit: When was it revealed Bobby was Bi? I've been reading since the 80s and I honestly don't recall that.
So just because young Iceman is gay doesn't mean that future Iceman had to be. It's things like that which let us have the power couple of Hercules and Wolverine in Exiles.
Personally speaking I think it would have made for a more interesting story if young Bobby was gay but older Bobby was straight. Would have made for some great tension between him and team mates, as well as an interesting dynamic with his younger self.
Edit: When was it revealed Bobby was Bi? I've been reading since the 80s and I honestly don't recall that.
Wait, shouldn't Older Iceman be bisexual? I don't read the comics and don't know anything about the character, but if Iceman was attracted to men in his youth and seemingly grew out of it as an adult, then shouldn't he technically bisexual?
