On Dongles

[Zeras]

Would you be incensed if there were male strippers at a Video Game event?

If you don't, then there's a double standard - which has been fueled by the empowerment movement ("you can be anything you want to be").

I would be incensed by the presence of strippers of any gender "hired" to perform at a Video Game event.

So would I (probably why I've never gone to one), but this example exists: the tweet of how sexist two peoples' joke/private conversation was about dongles - which seemed to be just because the two people were men - probably wouldn't have happened had it been two women making a joke about something sexual and a man overheard them talking.

 

[SidheKnight]

This is probably related more to the story that a female developer had of rampant chauvinism in the industry/at the cons

A dongle joke is rampant chauvinism?

I'll leave this here:


Seriously, you can't possibly agree with the woman that got one of those guys fired. Fortunately the case got to 4chan and they got her fired in return.

 

[wulf3n]

Would you be incensed if there were male strippers at a Video Game event?

If you don't, then there's a double standard - which has been fueled by the empowerment movement ("you can be anything you want to be").

I would be incensed by the presence of strippers of any gender "hired" to perform at a Video Game event.

So would I (probably why I've never gone to one), but this example exists: the tweet of how sexist two peoples' joke/private conversation was about dongles - which seemed to be just because the two people were men - probably wouldn't have happened had it been two women making a joke about something sexual and a man overheard them talking.

It's strange that Grey and Cory titled this strip after that event, I don't see how the two events are related. given that the "dongle" issue was "loosely" a case of double standards.

 

[Grahav]

I want all kinds of parties. Including with and without strippers.

 

[ninjaRiv]

Would you be incensed if there were male strippers at a Video Game event?

If you don't, then there's a double standard - which has been fueled by the empowerment movement ("you can be anything you want to be").

I would be incensed by the presence of strippers of any gender "hired" to perform at a Video Game event.

So would I (probably why I've never gone to one), but this example exists: the tweet of how sexist two peoples' joke/private conversation was about dongles - which seemed to be just because the two people were men - probably wouldn't have happened had it been two women making a joke about something sexual and a man overheard them talking.

It's strange that Grey and Cory titled this strip after that event, I don't see how the two events are related. given that the "dongle" issue was "loosely" a case of double standards.

You use quotation marks A LOT. I mean even on "hired." Do you not think they were paid?

I'm not disagreeing with your points, however. Just noticing that. But there is SOME double standards with gender in the work places.

As for the strip, I don't think it was one of their best, not by a long shot.

 

[wulf3n]

Would you be incensed if there were male strippers at a Video Game event?

If you don't, then there's a double standard - which has been fueled by the empowerment movement ("you can be anything you want to be").

I would be incensed by the presence of strippers of any gender "hired" to perform at a Video Game event.

So would I (probably why I've never gone to one), but this example exists: the tweet of how sexist two peoples' joke/private conversation was about dongles - which seemed to be just because the two people were men - probably wouldn't have happened had it been two women making a joke about something sexual and a man overheard them talking.

It's strange that Grey and Cory titled this strip after that event, I don't see how the two events are related. given that the "dongle" issue was "loosely" a case of double standards.

You use quotation marks A LOT. I mean even on "hired." Do you not think they were paid?

I do :| . In hindsight not all make sense. the "hired" probably should have been bold, I was trying to clarify that they were paid to be there, as opposed to strippers that may be attending because of their love of games.

the "dongle" one doesn't make sense either, or "loosely". Argghhh, I think my brain has broken :O

 

[Xan Krieger]

I think they had way too much fun drawing that ass because I'm having way too much fun looking at it, dayum.

 

[antipunt]

From this perspective it looks more like Zone of Enders.

Also. Butts. Booty booty booty booty.

Leo says it all.

What have I just seen..

 

[Mr Companion]

Bullshit.
No one is good at dwarf fortress. You can only be marginally less bad at it.

She is one of the few who actually figured out how to win...

Dwarf Fort is like Thermonuclear War. The only way to win... Is to not play at all.

Dwarf Fortress IS like Thermonuclear War, you always go out with a bang! Also everybody dies.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Does that change the fact that there are different standards for male and female behavior, especially in the workplace?

Does that "fact" have any bearing on the Issue of hiring female strippers to a Video Game event?

What's the problem here? People are there to talk about games and enjoy themselves and considering around 90-95% of the crowd are men [http://www.flickr.com/photos/officialgdc/collections/72157633058882769/], it fits perfectly.
Hell, even in the comic Erin is the only obvious woman there

 

[theultimateend]

On Dongles

It really does.

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You are making it very hard to not change my avatar.

 

[wulf3n]

Does that change the fact that there are different standards for male and female behavior, especially in the workplace?

Does that "fact" have any bearing on the Issue of hiring female strippers to a Video Game event?

What's the problem here? People are there to talk about games and enjoy themselves and considering around 90-95% of the crowd are men [http://www.flickr.com/photos/officialgdc/collections/72157633058882769/], it fits perfectly.

Because it's a video game developers conference, what does party music and strippers have to do with that?

If the audience wanted to go to a strip club/night club, fine, go to a club, but keep the video game developers conference as a conference of video game developers conferring about video game development.

edit: And now you've raised a chicken or the egg style dilemma. Is it ok to have strippers because there aren't many female developers, or are the few female developers because of this type of attitude.

 

[BlackFlyme]

"Remember, folks. Adamantine is fun. Adamantine is useful. Adamantine is not worth it!"

"...Who hired the clowns? WHY ON ARMOK'S BLOOD-SOAKED GREEN EARTH WOULD SOMEONE HIRE CLOWNS!?"

LIES, DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS!

No person is good at dwarf fortress!

everyone loses, it all ends in tears, elephants, cheese, renditions of cheese, miasma and magma.

And aquifers, and giant robots, and Cthulhu, and dead babies... And don't forget that masterwork obsidian statue of our mayor... Which may or may not contain the mayor. () (<.<)

To be fair though, just lasting a few years can be seen as an accomplishment. It means you are doing something right. Which of course means that you are playing it wrong.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Does that change the fact that there are different standards for male and female behavior, especially in the workplace?

Does that "fact" have any bearing on the Issue of hiring female strippers to a Video Game event?

What's the problem here? People are there to talk about games and enjoy themselves and considering around 90-95% of the crowd are men [http://www.flickr.com/photos/officialgdc/collections/72157633058882769/], it fits perfectly.

Because it's a video game developers conference, what does party music and strippers have to do with that?

If the audience wanted to go to a strip club/night club, fine, go to a club, but keep the video game developers conference as a conference of video game developers conferring about video game development.

edit: And now you've raised a chicken or the egg style dilemma. Is it ok to have strippers because there aren't many female developers, or are the few female developers because of this type of attitude.

I wasn't there so if they were genuinely STRIPPERS stripping their clothes off down to thongs/breasts then we have a problem because would be completely inappropriate.

However if they were nothing more than dancing girls in sexy clothing then that is more than fine, they're just there to dance and put on a show. The word "stripper" seems to be getting tossed around rather lazily in this thread, it makes me think people know what an actual stripper is and what an actual stripper does :S

edit: Yup, digging up more info on this incident, here we go: http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpinchefsky/2013/03/27/really-igda-party-at-gdc-brings-on-the-female-dancers/
Strippers my ass, just TWO dancers. However it seems that enough people complained about that so the IGDA won't be doing it again. I can see that it was inappropriate, this wasn't just some typical gaming convention/party. Fair enough.

The fact that it made the female co-chair of IGDA's Women In Games Group step down [http://au.businessinsider.com/igdas-after-party-with-women-dancers-2013-3] is HILARIOUS though, so that's all it takes to make a feminist run away? Talk about over-emotional

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

It was because there was a #1reasonwhy conference on the same day. Some of the female dev's on that panel thought it was a bit of a slap in the face to have exotic dancers at the after party.

I don't think they are that riske tbh but whatever.

 

[Plucky]

*looks closer*

Wait, is it me, or does one of the strippers look like an Erin doppelganger?

Obviously the real one is there, but the other one can't possibly be Sharon.......she wouldn't be one to just devalue herself, more of a punishing work-boss sorta thing. 0,0


Still a bit dangerously close to the real Sharon.

 

[Kael Arawn]

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I was using google image search for stills, not videos! Gimme a break!

NEVAAAAAAR!

your google fu is a SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!!!!!!!

I am sorry I have failed you oh sensei, I shall take the only honorable path available to a shamed one such as myself!

I have absolutely nothing to say about this topic that hasn't already been said and i know im going to get a "mark" from the admins for low content but the back and forth you guys have going about google fu is some hilarious shite and you made me laugh, this type of spontaneous, undiluted awesome is why i like the escapist forums so much and i just needed to say that

Catcha: - Thumbs Up! (I swear the damn catcha system is a sentient being)

 

[SteewpidZombie]

Some scream SEXISM!
Some yell IGNORANCE!
Some even say MALE POWER FANTASY!
I question WHERE THE BOOTY AT!?

Spoiler

Gotta look at this whole situation a-bit less seriously...16-Bit to be exact