On Nazis
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Hitler was put in power b/c the German people were "dying" as it were they had no where else 2 turn... he promised a better life.... in the start he did and made great advances in science and technology.... but once he was done, the German people saw him as a great man... leading 2 the wrongs the wld later b committed...
Ah but the Shadow Company are a bunch of diabolical bastards led by a traitorous scumbag so it doesn't count.Ph0t0n1c Ph34r said:
Ah well the Hitlerjugend were raised to join the SS so same thingRequi3m said:Corporal Yakob said:
Actually, I think he's talking about the Hitlerjugend. They were all young children being prepared to be the next generation of Nazi Party members. Hook 'm while they're young.
As for the German army, I agree with the people defending the common German soldier. They were mostly scared something would happen to them or their families, so they did what they were trained to do. The propaganda put out by Goebbels and his crew helped keep people in the dark. Goebbels is seen as one of the most intelligent members of the Nazi Party. And don't forget a lot of Germans were still pretty pissed about how they were exploited to ruin by other European countries after WW1. Hitler was one of them.
Also, the German army didn't consist of only Germans, not by a long shot. They drafted a lot of soldiers from the countries they conquered. My grandfather was one of them. He was 18 when Germany invaded Poland and got put in the army by force. When the Allies invaded France he was there with a lot of soldiers forced to serve. They shot their commanders and defected to the Allies. He came back in a tank! True story.
Exactly. Hell even a lot of people in Britain felt that the Treaty of Versallies had been way too harsh (which it had) on Germany and were prepared to be more sympathetic when they started rebuilding their empire.
Yes Ostbattleions, units made of conscripts from occupied countries, which shows you how desperate OKW had become, relying on so called "subhumans" to fight for the people who had subjagted them. CAN'T SPELL (sobs)
Finally, cool!
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You're taking away Charlie Chaplin's rightful seat on the throne of that 'stache. He got it into the media and popularised it. Then Hitler had to go and copy him and ruin it for everybdy.
Oh yeah, Charlie made it popular for sure, but Hitler then unpopularized them later.Dudemeister said:
You know, I really agree with all the points Yahtzee brings up here except one: Killzone 2. I don't know if Yahtzee's played it or not, but I'm guessing he hasn't. The story does go a fair amount more in-depth than he seems to be giving it credit for. While it's far from being an amazing grade A story, I think that they purposefully made the assault questionable. And I'd imagine Yahtzee of all people could get past a poor storyline and realize the game was really well done... meh, maybe I'm just being a bit too much of a fan, it's true it's not that great, but I think he's really underrating it.
As for the Nazi's, indeed, I find it's really thing when you reach for the folks in history who would shoot people in the crotch rather than make your own folks who shoot people in the crotch. There have been a few instances where it turned out at least decent, but yeh. Zombies can fill the role too, and you can choose far more landscapes to put them in. No big surprise then that CoD: World at War had Nazi Zombies.
You know what I'd like to see one of these days? A WWI game or a WWII game that takes place in a country other than Germany, France, Britain, or Russia. Bonus points if it's not Poland either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there has ever been a game with that storyline.
As for the Nazi's, indeed, I find it's really thing when you reach for the folks in history who would shoot people in the crotch rather than make your own folks who shoot people in the crotch. There have been a few instances where it turned out at least decent, but yeh. Zombies can fill the role too, and you can choose far more landscapes to put them in. No big surprise then that CoD: World at War had Nazi Zombies.
You know what I'd like to see one of these days? A WWI game or a WWII game that takes place in a country other than Germany, France, Britain, or Russia. Bonus points if it's not Poland either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there has ever been a game with that storyline.
Nazis and zombies-you can do pretty much what you like to them and the Daily Mail won't throw a wobbly. Put Nazi zombies and your definatly backing a winner...
the obvious solution to the problem of having an interesting bad guy, while simultaneosly solving the problem of having a good guy that isnt a prissy annoying idiot, is simply to have the player take the place of the bad guy.
it also explains all the meaningless violence to any npc you come across. especially in sandbox style games. plus being the bad guy is fun.
it also explains all the meaningless violence to any npc you come across. especially in sandbox style games. plus being the bad guy is fun.
Yeah. Even in supernatural games you can stick Nazis in. They were not only and Evil army of Evilness. They were also Evil wielders of scientific Black magic. But, i got to admit that it never gets old of killing a Nazi and cursing them out without feeling any whince of regret. Lol
Overall, I'm going to agree with the general consensus, and state that the problem with "Nazis" in popular media is not being able to tell the difference between actual, genocide-worshipping Nazis (Hitler and his fellow members, the SS, some of the crazier soldiers) and people who didn't know about the genocide part, were too scared to defy the Nazi regime, and/or got screwed over by the Nazis for rubbing them the wrong way (most of the proper generals in the German army got screwed over when Hitler decided he could do a better job leading than them, which only served to unravel Germany even further at the end of WWII).
The only game that I think depicted the attitude of the German forces with some accuracy was the Russian campaign in Call of Duty: World at War - the Germans and Russians were equally brutal during their offensives, as both Hitler and Stalin fed propaganda that the other side was full of inhuman monsters (and on top of that, weren't really much different except for Stalin ultimately being more competent than Hitler), and it actually showed the Germans having human emotions (like fear, trying to surrender, etc.) when hounded by the Soviets in the big "push to Berlin" series of missions. Hell, the final level, where the Red Army storms the Reichstag, is the ONLY Call of Duty level dedicated to fighting the Waffen-SS, who are probably the only military units in Germany that have the excuse of acting like the stereotypical Nazis people associate with WWII Germany as a whole, rather than believe some Germans were forced to fight against their will, or were fighting for the pride of their country more than their Fuhrer's nutty ideas of Social Darwinism.
Also, I think the idea of playing the German group trying to assassinate Hitler (i.e. Operation Valkyrie) would be a perfect video game plot: The first act would be to kill or arrest Hitler and the rest of the Nazi Party (Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, etc.), then the second act is to force the Anglo-American offensive of Western Europe to a treaty, then the final act is to take on the tide of the Soviet Union. It would allow a perspective of how a lot of Germans weren't actually into the whole "Nazi-ism" fad as Hitler and his cronies, and show a morally-gray view of the war from the traditionally heroic Anglo-Americans (the Brits in particular doing a lot to accidentally spark Nazism with ruining WWI Germany's economy) and to splash some reality onto the increasingly romanticized WWII-era Soviet Union (as Stalin was without a doubt the most brutal dictator of the USSR's entire history, and was as morally heinous as Hitler - he's only not as reviled for being more pragmatic, and ultimately more successful)
The only game that I think depicted the attitude of the German forces with some accuracy was the Russian campaign in Call of Duty: World at War - the Germans and Russians were equally brutal during their offensives, as both Hitler and Stalin fed propaganda that the other side was full of inhuman monsters (and on top of that, weren't really much different except for Stalin ultimately being more competent than Hitler), and it actually showed the Germans having human emotions (like fear, trying to surrender, etc.) when hounded by the Soviets in the big "push to Berlin" series of missions. Hell, the final level, where the Red Army storms the Reichstag, is the ONLY Call of Duty level dedicated to fighting the Waffen-SS, who are probably the only military units in Germany that have the excuse of acting like the stereotypical Nazis people associate with WWII Germany as a whole, rather than believe some Germans were forced to fight against their will, or were fighting for the pride of their country more than their Fuhrer's nutty ideas of Social Darwinism.
Also, I think the idea of playing the German group trying to assassinate Hitler (i.e. Operation Valkyrie) would be a perfect video game plot: The first act would be to kill or arrest Hitler and the rest of the Nazi Party (Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, etc.), then the second act is to force the Anglo-American offensive of Western Europe to a treaty, then the final act is to take on the tide of the Soviet Union. It would allow a perspective of how a lot of Germans weren't actually into the whole "Nazi-ism" fad as Hitler and his cronies, and show a morally-gray view of the war from the traditionally heroic Anglo-Americans (the Brits in particular doing a lot to accidentally spark Nazism with ruining WWI Germany's economy) and to splash some reality onto the increasingly romanticized WWII-era Soviet Union (as Stalin was without a doubt the most brutal dictator of the USSR's entire history, and was as morally heinous as Hitler - he's only not as reviled for being more pragmatic, and ultimately more successful)