On Nazis
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Sometimes I think the worst thing that happened to America in the 20th century was winning WWII.
Now before you instinctively reach for the reply button, load your flame thrower, and start the Godwin's law countdown (which would strain the definition of irony with this post); hear me out.
We have been told by our leaders, our generals and warmongers for the last 2,000 years that war was necessary because the enemy was evil. And for 2,000 years we shook our heads, sighed, picked up out swords and got ready for a fight. We didn't do it because we really though they were evil, we did it because our leaders wanted a war, and if they didn't get their war they were gonna take it out on us.
No competent history teacher would call the French government "evil" any more than he would the peasants who propagated unspeakable atrocities "evil". They were just two groups of thugs who decided to throw down.
And then we had a war in which the Nazis were ACTUALLY guilty of truly evil things.
Now we see every conflict as another World War, and our leaders have managed to convince us that there really are evil leaders. That another Hitler could be lurking in the shadows of a nefarious government. And the therm Holocaust has its meaning ground into dust with overuse.
And we believe them, because it's already happened.
Now before you instinctively reach for the reply button, load your flame thrower, and start the Godwin's law countdown (which would strain the definition of irony with this post); hear me out.
We have been told by our leaders, our generals and warmongers for the last 2,000 years that war was necessary because the enemy was evil. And for 2,000 years we shook our heads, sighed, picked up out swords and got ready for a fight. We didn't do it because we really though they were evil, we did it because our leaders wanted a war, and if they didn't get their war they were gonna take it out on us.
No competent history teacher would call the French government "evil" any more than he would the peasants who propagated unspeakable atrocities "evil". They were just two groups of thugs who decided to throw down.
And then we had a war in which the Nazis were ACTUALLY guilty of truly evil things.
Now we see every conflict as another World War, and our leaders have managed to convince us that there really are evil leaders. That another Hitler could be lurking in the shadows of a nefarious government. And the therm Holocaust has its meaning ground into dust with overuse.
And we believe them, because it's already happened.
This is so wrong... if you believe in God and all that Hell 2.0 was actually developed for Communists and not the Nazis.
For all you far away from were the communist plague hit :
http://www.jurnaltv.ro/video/The_Soviet_Story_Povestea_sovietelor_incredibil
PS:It`s a documentary in English don`t worry.
For all you far away from were the communist plague hit :
http://www.jurnaltv.ro/video/The_Soviet_Story_Povestea_sovietelor_incredibil
PS:It`s a documentary in English don`t worry.
This reminds me off a story:
A jewish mother and her son were in a bad situation (I don't remeber the details so I'll improvise) and a Nazi soldier pointed his gun at them, then a Nazi officer came and had him lower his gun
now this is something i'll never forget, his reason "One day history will judge us"
the mother and son suvived the war and told the story and I read it in a book somewhere.
A jewish mother and her son were in a bad situation (I don't remeber the details so I'll improvise) and a Nazi soldier pointed his gun at them, then a Nazi officer came and had him lower his gun
now this is something i'll never forget, his reason "One day history will judge us"
the mother and son suvived the war and told the story and I read it in a book somewhere.
no, what you said is utter bullshit, google iteffilctar said:
there's no "believing", WW2 is documented well enough to justify statements with proofs
it's tad more complicated than that, hitler got to power by supporting lower class, during the big economical problems it got him votes, then it took political play, like convincing hindenburg to make him the cancellor, he had much power, then it took murdering of the SA opposition to take full control, despite this i agree on accountability, it's a sociological problem tho, shouldn't be discussed on the basis of singular mindsDTWolfwood said:
Hitler was put in power b/c the German people were "dying" as it were they had no where else 2 turn... he promised a better life.... in the start he did and made great advances in science and technology.... but once he was done, the German people saw him as a great man... leading 2 the wrongs the wld later b committed...
Ah but the Shadow Company are a bunch of diabolical bastards led by a traitorous scumbag so it doesn't count.Ph0t0n1c Ph34r said:
Ah well the Hitlerjugend were raised to join the SS so same thingRequi3m said:Corporal Yakob said:
Actually, I think he's talking about the Hitlerjugend. They were all young children being prepared to be the next generation of Nazi Party members. Hook 'm while they're young.
As for the German army, I agree with the people defending the common German soldier. They were mostly scared something would happen to them or their families, so they did what they were trained to do. The propaganda put out by Goebbels and his crew helped keep people in the dark. Goebbels is seen as one of the most intelligent members of the Nazi Party. And don't forget a lot of Germans were still pretty pissed about how they were exploited to ruin by other European countries after WW1. Hitler was one of them.
Also, the German army didn't consist of only Germans, not by a long shot. They drafted a lot of soldiers from the countries they conquered. My grandfather was one of them. He was 18 when Germany invaded Poland and got put in the army by force. When the Allies invaded France he was there with a lot of soldiers forced to serve. They shot their commanders and defected to the Allies. He came back in a tank! True story.
Exactly. Hell even a lot of people in Britain felt that the Treaty of Versallies had been way too harsh (which it had) on Germany and were prepared to be more sympathetic when they started rebuilding their empire.
Yes Ostbattleions, units made of conscripts from occupied countries, which shows you how desperate OKW had become, relying on so called "subhumans" to fight for the people who had subjagted them. CAN'T SPELL (sobs)
Finally, cool!
Hey!ZeroDotZero said:
You're taking away Charlie Chaplin's rightful seat on the throne of that 'stache. He got it into the media and popularised it. Then Hitler had to go and copy him and ruin it for everybdy.
Oh yeah, Charlie made it popular for sure, but Hitler then unpopularized them later.Dudemeister said:
You know, I really agree with all the points Yahtzee brings up here except one: Killzone 2. I don't know if Yahtzee's played it or not, but I'm guessing he hasn't. The story does go a fair amount more in-depth than he seems to be giving it credit for. While it's far from being an amazing grade A story, I think that they purposefully made the assault questionable. And I'd imagine Yahtzee of all people could get past a poor storyline and realize the game was really well done... meh, maybe I'm just being a bit too much of a fan, it's true it's not that great, but I think he's really underrating it.
As for the Nazi's, indeed, I find it's really thing when you reach for the folks in history who would shoot people in the crotch rather than make your own folks who shoot people in the crotch. There have been a few instances where it turned out at least decent, but yeh. Zombies can fill the role too, and you can choose far more landscapes to put them in. No big surprise then that CoD: World at War had Nazi Zombies.
You know what I'd like to see one of these days? A WWI game or a WWII game that takes place in a country other than Germany, France, Britain, or Russia. Bonus points if it's not Poland either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there has ever been a game with that storyline.
As for the Nazi's, indeed, I find it's really thing when you reach for the folks in history who would shoot people in the crotch rather than make your own folks who shoot people in the crotch. There have been a few instances where it turned out at least decent, but yeh. Zombies can fill the role too, and you can choose far more landscapes to put them in. No big surprise then that CoD: World at War had Nazi Zombies.
You know what I'd like to see one of these days? A WWI game or a WWII game that takes place in a country other than Germany, France, Britain, or Russia. Bonus points if it's not Poland either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there has ever been a game with that storyline.
Nazis and zombies-you can do pretty much what you like to them and the Daily Mail won't throw a wobbly. Put Nazi zombies and your definatly backing a winner...