On Nazis

[SimGrave]

I agree with your point on Nazis, but for that matter, popular culture is plagued with a problem of having new ideas. So why insist on that one?

- The Pirates Vs. Ninja fixation is getting old, but there are still people who find that funny.
- People are putting zombies everywhere nowadays and the latest occurrences is always as welcomed as the first.

The Nazis are to shooters what the medieval era is to RPGs. What can we do about it?

 

[Coaxill]

If the Australian government and the world didn't have their heads stuck up their asses about censorship we wouldn't have the problem of people crying foul over games showing tits and blood.

When will parents and adults learn that all kids lose innocence when they go to public school.

I went to a catholic school after buying Grand Theft Auto and taught all the kids to swear properly... By properly, I mean gratuitously.

 

[Rainboq]

actually it is illegal to show anything related to World War 2 there.

False.

whoops I meant Nazi related

 

[Ranko]

You know what? Scary as it sounds, even if Yahtzee was actually joking, I find myself liking the idea of adding "adult" material - gore, nude bits, sex, what have you - to a game via DLC. I think it would be a good idea.

 

[zamble]

Nazis are popular bad guys because of the lack of hesitation on killing them in the player's side. So evil, killing one is always good, even in an accident. Even in a horrible, torturing way, like in Inglorious Basterds.

Strangely enough, the same applies to zombies, not for beeing evil, but for beeing irational. And dead, already. like Nazis.

EDIT: oh, and DLC-porn is always a good idea. People have the right!! To choose to see other persons naked!

 

[Ericb]

I think Nazis are the go-to-guys for baddies, because it's socially acceptable to murder them by the bucketload.

Socially acceptable murder on the bucketload level was precisely the line of thinking of the nazi sympathizers back in the day.

I don't know what that entails, but it was worth the comment.

I'm sick and tired of all media assuming that, by the time of Normandy, every single German soldier was a diehard, xenophobic sociopath

Most of them, towards the end, were disillusioned veterans, slightly unhinged antisematists, poor men down on their luck, or, the most COMMON background of all, a conscripted farmboy.

That's very true. I remember in the Band of Brothers special special in which there were interveiews with the actual vets from Easy Company, they said time and time again that most german soldiers were just that, soldiers.

Not like the SS and Gestapo, monsters who would kill their own countrymen under orders from the third reich.

I agree with absolutely every post on this thread, even the ones I disagree with.

That's a brain twister right there.

The Nazis are to shooters what the medieval era is to RPGs. What can we do about it?

Stop giving so much money to them would be a good start.

 

[Angerwing]

I think Nazis are the go-to-guys for baddies, because it's socially acceptable to murder them by the bucketload.

Socially acceptable murder on the bucketload level was precisely the line of thinking of the nazi sympathizers back in the day.

I didn't think about it like that, but you know that's not what I meant. They're like zombies in this scenario.

 

[Ericb]

I think Nazis are the go-to-guys for baddies, because it's socially acceptable to murder them by the bucketload.

Socially acceptable murder on the bucketload level was precisely the line of thinking of the nazi sympathizers back in the day.

I didn't think about it like that, but you know that's not what I meant. They're like zombies in this scenario.

Of course, I wasn't implying anything in that sense.

But yeah, the status they share with zombies as the guys to look for generic cathartic killing really throws away good character and context exploration in regards to gameplay narrative.

Come to think of it, nazis in games actualy share something of a creativity status with wooden crates in FPSs.

 

[Tharwen]

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[Yeq]

You know why Der Untergang was a good film? Because it accepted that the Nazis were humans. I really think that doing that would quite quickly make Nazis interesting again. There's few things more fascinating than how widespread movements can convince people do to just about anything, and all we get is "LOL EVIL LOOK HOW HE LIKES TORTURE". It would take twenty seconds to have a decent story that still managed to bring up Hitler and his gang.

On the other hand, that's probably not what they're going for; they're trying to get a way for you to shoot human beings in a game with the obvious feeling that you're doing the right thing and to remove guilt to make a simpler (and, though I personally disagree with this conclusion, more fun) game, and it's a piece of piss to do that once he's got a swastika around his arm.

 

[windfish]

Yahtzee: ... and the modern-day United States gets away with two, one, all three an irresponsible lack of support from the liberal media.

haha I see what you did there. 'cept that's OUR joke. And it's an OLD fucking joke.

If you want to make a big drawn-out point of unoriginal animosity in the industry, why don't you try to make it a paragraph or so without digging on America?

 

[ThisNewGuy]

I think anyone who has ever paid attention in history class knows about the Nazi's and their actions it's not old news. Putting them in every WW2 style game does get a little boring after defeating them oh say 10 times. Mix it up a little eh?

Yes. Nazi...ZOMBIES! Two cultural cliche mixed together.

 

['-_-]

http://www.mcvideogame.com/ if you want a video on McDonalds.

 

[Taneer]

On that last note, what about people who don't have online access?

 

[nomzod]

Sometimes I think the worst thing that happened to America in the 20th century was winning WWII.

Now before you instinctively reach for the reply button, load your flame thrower, and start the Godwin's law countdown (which would strain the definition of irony with this post); hear me out.

We have been told by our leaders, our generals and warmongers for the last 2,000 years that war was necessary because the enemy was evil. And for 2,000 years we shook our heads, sighed, picked up out swords and got ready for a fight. We didn't do it because we really though they were evil, we did it because our leaders wanted a war, and if they didn't get their war they were gonna take it out on us.

No competent history teacher would call the French government "evil" any more than he would the peasants who propagated unspeakable atrocities "evil". They were just two groups of thugs who decided to throw down.

And then we had a war in which the Nazis were ACTUALLY guilty of truly evil things.

Now we see every conflict as another World War, and our leaders have managed to convince us that there really are evil leaders. That another Hitler could be lurking in the shadows of a nefarious government. And the therm Holocaust has its meaning ground into dust with overuse.

And we believe them, because it's already happened.

 

[dragonburner]

The DLC opt in idea sounds like a good one to me.

 

[DRTJR]

the WWII era german soldiers weren't all ardent Nazis the movie Das boot was a prime example of this. the Government of Nazi Germany was the Evil part

 

[Killerbunny001]

This is so wrong... if you believe in God and all that Hell 2.0 was actually developed for Communists and not the Nazis.

For all you far away from were the communist plague hit :

http://www.jurnaltv.ro/video/The_Soviet_Story_Povestea_sovietelor_incredibil

PS:It`s a documentary in English don`t worry.

 

[epsilon246]

This reminds me off a story:
A jewish mother and her son were in a bad situation (I don't remeber the details so I'll improvise) and a Nazi soldier pointed his gun at them, then a Nazi officer came and had him lower his gun
now this is something i'll never forget, his reason "One day history will judge us"
the mother and son suvived the war and told the story and I read it in a book somewhere.

 

[soultwister]

I personally believe that Nazis believed that what they did would earn them the title of "hero" or "freedom fighter" in their respective culture, much like a religious extremist may believe when they attempt some manner of suicide mission.

no, what you said is utter bullshit, google it

there's no "believing", WW2 is documented well enough to justify statements with proofs

On the other hand, the german ppl did put Hitler in power so accountability is still there.

it's tad more complicated than that, hitler got to power by supporting lower class, during the big economical problems it got him votes, then it took political play, like convincing hindenburg to make him the cancellor, he had much power, then it took murdering of the SA opposition to take full control, despite this i agree on accountability, it's a sociological problem tho, shouldn't be discussed on the basis of singular minds