On the Left 4 Dead Ban

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Metalrocks

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Osloq said:
You can order a banned game from overseas but the problem with Left 4 Dead 2 is it's run through Steam to play. Even if you get a game copy, if you've got an Australian IP you will not be able to play it.
ah crap. i have not thought of that. i already asked some one on ebay who mide get it.
damn, if the government keeps doing that, in the end you have to ask for permission to go to the toilet in your own house.
seriously, interfering what we do in our privat life is wrong. but i guess there reply would be; it's for the best of menkind.
i am old enough to play games like these. i know what reallity and virtual is.
 

Wyes

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Booze Zombie said:
Australia is so lucky, swimming knifes, sharks, snakes and old pricks giving games classification.

Yay.
And we live about 3/4 of a mile from the sun...
 

MelodyMan

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i go to GAMETRADERS ROBINA all the time.

on a slightly unrelated note has anyone been to a gametraders recently where they sold japanese games in brisbane, if you have may you do me the favor and tell me where?
 

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oppp7 said:
Why does everyone hate blood and gore? It's anatomy. And violence is a natural occurance. Kids are gonna see it in school anyways...
Well they're unlikely to see high impact violence and gore in school, or even throughout their entire lives.
 

beddo

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Surely their argument is weakened when they themselves say:

"The game contains violence that is high in impact and is therefore unsuitable for persons aged under 18 years to play."

Fine, then over 18s can play it.
 

PxDn Ninja

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"The player kills a very large amount of enemy characters to proceed through the game. Whilst no post-mortem damage can be inflicted, piles of bodies lay about the environment."
- those obsessive janitors from the ACB


Umm...this is a zombie game. Technically ALL damage is post-mortem.
 

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DRADIS C0ntact said:
ssgt splatter said:
I'm saddened that the game was banned there. How will he review L4D2 if he can't get it? Oh wait...GAME TRADERS ROBINA. Good luck Yahtzee, hope you get it.
He can still review it. He should be able to download it on Steam.
Compulsory Internet filter. He might be able to do it now, but in the future it'll become very hard to download games not allowed in Australia.

Can't you just import it? Get a U.S. or U.K. region 360, PS3 and wii (if you must) and order games online?
 

Dwachak

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I live in Denmark, where porn sits right next to the candy at the cashregister in supermarkets, and this Australian ABC stuff thingy really makes my jaw drop =/ I was in England once and tried to buy the Alien Quadroligy, but it was a no go since I wasn't 18 yet. That really surprised me cuz I had never tried something like that:p I know now that I must never go to Australia because it will properly give me a heart attack...
 

Crossborder

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Why dont they just let you prove you are over 18 when you want to buy the game or something..
I dont get the whole ban thing..
 

WaderiAAA

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Sounds tough to be an Australian gamer. It isn't so easy in Norway either. Not that many games are banned or anything, but the marked is too little, so if you want to play a non-mainstream game such as Okami, you will have to order it online.
 

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Chipperz said:
yourbeliefs said:
Interesting.. but if Fallout 3 was refused classification, how did Yahtzee get to review it? Did he visit his friends at GAMETRADERS ROBINA??
You'll note that Fallout 3 doesn't have Morphine at all? That's because Bethesda removed it so it could be released in Australia. Along with all the other real world drugs that were supposed to be in it, but weren't because the ACB are spineless fuckwits who know nothing about the real world.

Wow, I live the other side of the planet from Australia, and reading about this STILL gets me pissed off...
Ditto. I would give a finger to be able to slap some of those guys around a bit and tell them to stop being so fucking stupid.
 

Katana314

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I refer Yahtzee back to this chart:

Ironically out of his own videos. I agree Australia's rating board is being dickish here. Still, I feel a bit relieved I joined the boycott if only for the feeling I get from the Australia article where I can think "Oh, that's nice. Boo to you Valve, getting what you deserve." (granted, I don't ACTUALLY think Valve deserved this. But you have to admit they're approaching the realm of gore being gratuitous.
 

Chunko

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I don't think a game could get banned in America, too many people would complain. In Australia there is a smaller gamer to normal person ratio.
 

teknoarcanist

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"The interactive nature of the game increases the overall impact of the frequent and intense depictions of violence. This, coupled with the graphic depictions of blood and gore, combine to create a playing impact which is high."

What part of this is undesirable?
 

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This quote from the Manhunt ZP seems appropriate

"There's a very clear certification indicating that twelve year olds aren't supposed to be playing it but there's no denying they play it anyone because no one other than twelve year olds are into this thing. Talking breathlessly about wire decapitation and baseball bat cranial explosion is a good way to win friends around middle school but around the office water cooler it's a good way to lose them."
 

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NewClassic said:
I can't help but feel like this entire article is like walking into a park, and screaming bloody murder at the grass and trees for having the audacity for being grass and trees. The simple fact of the matter is the ACB is doing it's job. They're paid to do this, and they are working while they're at it. They have to watch the dirty movies, have to play the violent games, and are paid to do nothing other than give the game a classification. For the American readers in the audience, this article is the equivalent of attacking the ESRB for giving a game an M-rating.

It's not the ACB's fault that they have refuse classification because there's no classification this game falls under. The office in charge of classification, the Attorney-General's Department of Australia, is the body that is almost exclusively at fault here. The irony though, is that the department is primarily for the creation of an R18+ classification. However, since the department requires a unanimous vote, there is a single opponent to the classification. An attorney-general named Michael Atkinson.[footnote]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Film_and_Literature_Classification_(Australia)#Classification_of_video_games[/footnote]

So, instead of harboring ill-will toward the ACB, it would work more effective to appeal to Mr. Atkinson [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.144722.3256690] to change the ruling. As it stands, he's the only thing between the ACB and a full set of classifications for Video Game media.

And the saddest part is, I severely doubt anyone is going to read this.
I will KILL Atkinsdiet if I ever meet him! W/ MAH BEAR HANSD!!!!
 

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Ok, well the whole protecting children from images that may have negative consequences isn't too bad of a stance to have. However, this does invite a question as to when a person should be held accountable. By refusing to classify L4D2, they have effectively banned the game from being sold within the borders of Australia. However, if they're worried that children may be getting ahold of this game and would then go about shooting up their neighbors with assault weapons, isn't there a bigger issue at hand here? The first issue would be: WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEIR PARENTS DOING WHEN THEY'RE BUYING AND PLAYING THIS GAME? The second issue would be: HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY GETTING ASSAULT WEAPONS AS MINORS? These two questions are just starters as to the irrational nature of this ban. If minors are openly gunning down fellow citizens in the street, then Australia is in a state of disarray so grand that the banning of a single violent video game seems more like an attempt to cover up the fact that the country is already fucked up to the point of irreparability. I, however, doubt that this is the case with Australia.

As an American, I find this ban to be unfair and stupid. Unfair due to the fact that a majority population of gamers are being denied to enjoyment of one of their favorite pasttimes, due to the negligence of some outraged parents or whatnot. Stupid, because this could be damaging to business relations with video game companies and Australia. If there's one thing that should be avoided during times of economic stress, it would be bad business relations. To protest this ban would be intelligent on these grounds alone: the dissatisfaction of a large population and the dissatisfaction of businesses in relation to Australia.

This also brings in the point of accountability for actions. If these games are being obtained by minors, then that means someone has provided them with the game. There are several possibilities as to who is doing so: Video Game Retailers, Parents, Older Friends, or Shifty Men on Street Corners. This means that there has been an act of negligence somewhere in this chain. If friends are giving friends the game, then there should be no reason why parents cannot step in and halt this from continuing to playing the game. If Video Game Retailers are providing the game, again parents could step in when the game comes home, and also, there should be a government crackdown on retailers instead of on the product. If parents are giving the game, then there is an obvious lack of interest in the argument that the ban is for "the welfare of the children" in these adults. This would be a judgment call by the guardian figures that the game is appropriate for their children. If shifty men on street corners are giving the game, then your police department sucks because this is the preliminaries to a full-scale drug ring operation. In all these cases, the product would not be the problem, but the accountability of the providers.

The accountability issue further continues if/when the child commits an act of violence outside of the video game. If the person is in their teens, do we hold them accountable as freethinkers? What about a person aged 20? How about a 40 year old man? At about 14 or 15, people can start to make their own decisions as to how they want their lives to go and can be self-sufficient, so why not start holding them accountable for their actions at this instead of providing an excuse for them to use against you later? How many murderers down the line will begin to use "It was the video games that did it" as a valid reason for how their behaviors were shaped if you don't start holding people accountable for their choices as teenagers?

This ban is just another way for parents, retailers, the government,etc. to place blame on something other than themselves or the individuals that engage in violent actions. In the end, it's really just a way to avoid being held accountable.
 

Paendorrah

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I'm not really concerned with this trend of censorship and ban on games. Or should I say, attempts to perform the one or the other. As with any new media, the people in charge do not understand it. It'll take numerous amounts of reception analysis performed on the subject matter before they're convinced of the "effects" of the use of the media. I just wonder whether it would be faster, more efficient even to wait for the responsible people to die from natural causes. Hm. Which should be fairly soon, I reckon. Mindsets like those exhibited in the legislation can by definition not have en expiration date too far from the present. If not, move to Denmark, as suggested previously.