Operation: Unthinkable (Open/Started)
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Dear honorable allies,
First I would like to announce both my incredible surprise as well as pride in being chosen to succeed General Wladyslaw Sikorski in his positions as Prime Minister and Commander In Chief of Poland. While I am nowhere near a match for the recently departed General I intend to put my greatest effort into achieving an allied victory in this conflict.
Now I wish to offer a plan to be carried out by our own Polish ground and sea forces. This plan will most likely require the usage of the full remaining Polish navy as well as any ships providable by other allied powers.
The plan constitutes the assembling of operation units and ships at Dunkirk. From there the force will sail with all speed past the North Sea and passing through the Skagerrak strait and Kattegat sea into the Baltic Sea. From this position a landing will be staged under cover of warships in the Gulf of Gdansk.
Once successful in this landing we will find ourselves behind the majority of enemy forces and within striking distance of any supply line that travels north of the Carpathian Mountains. With supplies threatened and our forces at their rear any enemy units in the Northern Germany area will be easy to destroy.
I am so confident in the value of this maneuver that I am willing to lead the attack myself. I hope that this plan meats with the approval of the allied commanders.
Hoping this finds you in good health,
Fishtie, Prime Minister of the Polish Government in Exile, General Inspector of the Armed Forces
First I would like to announce both my incredible surprise as well as pride in being chosen to succeed General Wladyslaw Sikorski in his positions as Prime Minister and Commander In Chief of Poland. While I am nowhere near a match for the recently departed General I intend to put my greatest effort into achieving an allied victory in this conflict.
Now I wish to offer a plan to be carried out by our own Polish ground and sea forces. This plan will most likely require the usage of the full remaining Polish navy as well as any ships providable by other allied powers.
The plan constitutes the assembling of operation units and ships at Dunkirk. From there the force will sail with all speed past the North Sea and passing through the Skagerrak strait and Kattegat sea into the Baltic Sea. From this position a landing will be staged under cover of warships in the Gulf of Gdansk.
Once successful in this landing we will find ourselves behind the majority of enemy forces and within striking distance of any supply line that travels north of the Carpathian Mountains. With supplies threatened and our forces at their rear any enemy units in the Northern Germany area will be easy to destroy.
I am so confident in the value of this maneuver that I am willing to lead the attack myself. I hope that this plan meats with the approval of the allied commanders.
Hoping this finds you in good health,
Fishtie, Prime Minister of the Polish Government in Exile, General Inspector of the Armed Forces
The Honorable Wermacht is willing to help implement the Poles' plan. After extensive study of the area, the cutting off of Russians supply lines would be best achieved as outlined in Prime Minister Fishtie's proposal. While the Wermacht has no Naval power to speak of we will fully support any land assault. My forces can push across the Elbe river and retake Western Germany and then push towards Gdansk, eliminating any Russian opposition along the way. Our Geheimer Meldedienst Heer indicates Russian forces in all lands west of Russia are not particularly dug in, or prepared for an attack. I strongly recommend that one of the Allied armies retake Czechoslovakia, for its vital oil supply. If able, we should ideally drive to the coast of the Black sea in the south,in an effort to use the natural terrain to our advantage, namely the Carpathian mountains. If we can take the Southern end of the range and can hold from there to the Black sea, we can prevent Russian incursions into the entirety of Europe. We can then retake Eastern Europe with minimal resistance. While this is shooting rather high, with the element of surprise and a committed armoured thrust we just might be able to do it. Once the Polish have taken back their land, we can turn all our attention to holding the Russians at the Russia-Poland border. With the Russian troops in Eastern Europe thus cut off from their Motherland, they will be easier to over come. In closing, my plan calls for drawing a decisive line to the North and South of the Carpathian Mountains to prevent Russia supply and support of their troops in Eastern Europe. After this line is established, Allied forces would sweep back into Eastern Europe, rolling back the Russians with comparative ease. I personally volunteer the Wermacht to hold the Russia-Poland border. This plan is rather ambitious, and considering the state of our collective armies, perhaps impossible, it is the best solution I can see to retaking Europe as swiftly as possible. Please feel free to respond and criticize,
Field Marshal Erich von Manstien, Supreme commander of the Wermacht
Field Marshal Erich von Manstien, Supreme commander of the Wermacht
Fishtie said:
I should just point out, and I blame myself for not doing so earlier and not doing so with the appropriate faction information, but each player is not playing as an incarnation of himself, but as whatever real life people were in charge of those forces at the time. So, instead of being Prime Minister Fishtie, you would whoever was in charge in May of 1945.Icarion said:
Again, I entirely blame myself for not adding such information to the faction text boxes.
Also, provided you can get sufficient support from the British, French, and American forces, mainly the Americans, for your plan, then I am seriously in trouble, and I'm not kidding. Given that I've promised you the element of surprise, I'm forced to concede to you that are really onto a good path with this, if it is a bit daring. Granted, daring moves would have been the only plausibly successful moves against such a military.
OOC:So i got it right right? Just making sure, not trying to rub it in Fishtie's face (sorry if it comes out that way.) And thank you, I'm sure our collective genius can over come any obstcle. And is there a command that will send me a message whenever Some one posts here? Cause that'd be useful. Also, How much of Eastern Europe does Russia control and what is the deal woth Turkey and the middle East? That would probably affect our strategyTeddy Roosevelt said:
Alright, first of all, there isn't anything to let you get messages when someone posts, but you can bookmark this thread and it will be kept on the top of your page of the Forum Games and RP section of the forums. That way, you can easily check who posted last, and thereby see if someone posted since you did.Icarion said:
Also, the Soviet Union controls just about all of Eastern Europe. Greece is capitalist, as are Turkey and the Middle East, in fact, the Iraqi/Syrian area is mostly British/French. Either way, the real Allied forces are in Europe, leftover from fighting the Nazis, though during WWII, American supply columns to the USSR passed through the Caucasus region from Iran. Anyway, those areas will not likely come into play here, as the plans for Operation: Unthinkable were to launch a quick campaign and drive the Soviets out of Europe, though I'm hoping we can expand that and maybe even carry it on to be an attempt to topple the Soviet Union altogether. Anyway, the Soviet occupied zone includes all of the Balkans and Eastern Europe near the Baltic states such as Poland and Estonia. Soviet dominion extends west to the Elbe River in Germany and, farther south, Czechoslovakia and Austria. Basically, draw a line along the Elbe River from the North Sea, going south and then following the line along the borders of Czechoslovakia, Austria, Yugoslavia, and those countries. That is the extent of my control.
If it's any help, most of my big time forces are up in Germany and Austria, since that is where the real resistance was, and even then not so much Austria by the time May rolled around. Really, where the fighting against Germany was, you will find my troops. Of course, occupying forces exist all along the edge of Soviet dominion, but not quite so fierce as in Germany.
I want to be the US, just because this idea interests me... but I have a lot on my plate... but I can make room for this... but it seems complicated...
You know what, put me down as a maybe for America, kay?
You know what, put me down as a maybe for America, kay?
Will do. You will be listed as maybe.CloggedDonkey said:
I say we give you a few days to get stuff together and decide yes or no. That's not to say I won't be flexible and allow for a little more if you keep your presence known, if you get what I mean to say. Basically, if you make your intention to participate known, I can accommodate the waiting, but if you leave us hanging, I'd want to proceed with the thread just for the sake of not having it deteriorate. You understand I take it.
Yeah, just say "I'm staying, bludda bludda bluh" and talk things through. I should be good in a few days, I just have to GM something and an RP I'm already in is stopping, so...Teddy Roosevelt said:
OOC:Yeah I got the bookmark thing, I just have like 6 threads bookmarked in the RP sectionTeddy Roosevelt said:
Thanks for the info.
Dear Allied countries,
It has recently been brought to my attention that the strongest Soviet forces are in Germany and Austria. While the Wermacht would love the opportunity to reclaim the Fatherland, we will not be able to triumph over the Soviets alone. We will probably require Britian to support the Poles and either France or Canada to throw their weight in behind us. America's army would ideally be the one swinging south through Romania to the Black Sea. I propose that any spare forces be used to supplement those who need it the most. Then after securing the "Carpathian line" The Wermacht would hold the northern border (Russia-Poland) while either some American forces, French, or Canadian forces would hold the smaller southern border. This would free the Armies of Poland, Britian, America, France and Canada to move in and liberate Eastern Europe. Also it is important to note that the Wermacht has no air power to speak of, and very limited armour and artillery capabilites. We will most likely require American support. In conclusion we would follow the plan I spoke of last time, but with a combined thrust into Germany, those forces being the Wermacht and, ideally, Canada or France. The Brits will support either the Poles or the Americans. The Americans would make a committed thrust to secure the south end of the line. The Wermacht and foreign air units would hold the northern border while a part of American forces would the Southern. All reaming forces willl then liberate Eastern Europe. It is believed the the Turks will stay neutral in the coming days, but we should be wary none the less.
Regards,
Field Marshal Erich von Manstein
It has recently been brought to my attention that the strongest Soviet forces are in Germany and Austria. While the Wermacht would love the opportunity to reclaim the Fatherland, we will not be able to triumph over the Soviets alone. We will probably require Britian to support the Poles and either France or Canada to throw their weight in behind us. America's army would ideally be the one swinging south through Romania to the Black Sea. I propose that any spare forces be used to supplement those who need it the most. Then after securing the "Carpathian line" The Wermacht would hold the northern border (Russia-Poland) while either some American forces, French, or Canadian forces would hold the smaller southern border. This would free the Armies of Poland, Britian, America, France and Canada to move in and liberate Eastern Europe. Also it is important to note that the Wermacht has no air power to speak of, and very limited armour and artillery capabilites. We will most likely require American support. In conclusion we would follow the plan I spoke of last time, but with a combined thrust into Germany, those forces being the Wermacht and, ideally, Canada or France. The Brits will support either the Poles or the Americans. The Americans would make a committed thrust to secure the south end of the line. The Wermacht and foreign air units would hold the northern border while a part of American forces would the Southern. All reaming forces willl then liberate Eastern Europe. It is believed the the Turks will stay neutral in the coming days, but we should be wary none the less.
Regards,
Field Marshal Erich von Manstein
Oh, I see the confusion here. China is not actually involved in Europe. See, it has been fighting the Japanese since 1937. As was a concern in 1945, the Soviets will move to ally themselves with the Japanese after the European assault, since Japan was already moving toward an alliance with the Soviet Union, or rather attempting to, and the Red Army was not to attack the Japanese in Manchuria until August 9. So, when the Western Allies attack in Europe, the Chinese, Australians, Indians, and Americans will find themselves battling Russo-Japanese forces. When the Americans drop the Atomic bombs, the Japanese will surrender, knowing that a prolonged war would completely and thoroughly demolish the Home Islands, but the Japanese Army will fight on as an arm of the Red Army.Icarion said:OOC:Yeah I got the bookmark thing, I just have like 6 threads bookmarked in the RP sectionTeddy Roosevelt said:
Thanks for the info.
Dear Allied countries,
It has recently been brought to my attention that the strongest Soviet forces are in Germany and Austria. While the Wermacht would love the opportunity to reclaim the Fatherland, we will not be able to triumph over the Soviets alone. Idealy we could push the Russians east towards the Polish forces in a hammer and anvil maneuver. This, however, would probably require Britian to support the Poles and either France or Canada to throw their weight in behind us. America's army would ideally be the one swinging south through Romania to the Black Sea. I propose that any Chinese forces be used to supplement those who need it the most. ANZAC (Australia/New Zealand Army Core) forces should also be used in a similar way. Then after securing the "Carpathian line" The Wermacht would hold the northern border (Russia-Poland) while either some American forces or a combined force of ANZAC and Chinese forces would hold the smaller southern border. This would free the Armies of Poland, Britian, America, France and Canada to move in and liberate Eastern Europe. It is believed the the Turks will stay neutral in the coming days, but we should be wary none the less.
Regards,
Field Marshal Erich von Manstein
Long story short, China will be in the Pacific. To be honest, your first plan was pretty well laid out, though you'll need to be careful that your men are not without US support both on the ground and in the air, otherwise the Wehrmacht will be destroyed.
Fair enough, the US is yours.CloggedDonkey said:
Beginning Layout of Soviet and Allied Forces
Green flags with white numbers represent US Army units of army strength. Brown flags with beige numbers are British, white with red are Canadian, and blue with white are French. Allied Poland is not listed, so I will consider Fishtie's troops as a part of the area around the British 2nd Army near Hamburg, but not a portion of said 2nd Army.
I will continue editing this as Allied planning continues. You will notice that I essentially took Icarion and Fishtie's plan and put it in terms relevant to what is shown on the map. I did not, however, discuss specific moves in the south. Instead, I described what exists in the south and what can be done. As you continue to form your plan, I will continue to collect the information and put it here for all Allied players to see.
Green flags with white numbers represent US Army units of army strength. Brown flags with beige numbers are British, white with red are Canadian, and blue with white are French. Allied Poland is not listed, so I will consider Fishtie's troops as a part of the area around the British 2nd Army near Hamburg, but not a portion of said 2nd Army.
Most Soviet forces are concentrated around two places: Berlin and Prague. A direct assault on Czechoslovakia would be suicidal, but if the front is broken and the weaknesses of the Red Army exploited, then Prague can be taken. Fishtie's mentioned attack on Poland would be largely unopposed if executed correctly. At the same time, the British 2nd Army would be able to attack, with the help of the Canadian 1st Army, with Red Army forces north of Berlin. At the same time, American forces would facilitate an attack on Berlin. The US 9th Army would stage a direct assault across the Elbe, while the 1st Army would assist the Wehrmacht in a thrust between the two Soviet concentrations, swinging north, around most of the Soviet troops, to hit Berlin from its open southern flank.
Should the Polish landing behind Soviet lines prove successful, and should the Germans and Americans link up with the Poles after taking Berlin, the Soviet northern forces would be surrounded, or at least badly beaten.
In the south, the American 5th Army and British 8th Army are in a position to strike at the Yugoslavian forces in Yugoslavia and southern Austria, while the French 1st Army and American 7th Army is in a position to engage the weaker Soviet forces in Austria from Munchen.
Should the Polish landing behind Soviet lines prove successful, and should the Germans and Americans link up with the Poles after taking Berlin, the Soviet northern forces would be surrounded, or at least badly beaten.
In the south, the American 5th Army and British 8th Army are in a position to strike at the Yugoslavian forces in Yugoslavia and southern Austria, while the French 1st Army and American 7th Army is in a position to engage the weaker Soviet forces in Austria from Munchen.
I will continue editing this as Allied planning continues. You will notice that I essentially took Icarion and Fishtie's plan and put it in terms relevant to what is shown on the map. I did not, however, discuss specific moves in the south. Instead, I described what exists in the south and what can be done. As you continue to form your plan, I will continue to collect the information and put it here for all Allied players to see.
In the Pacific, Allied positions are much simpler. In Burma, British forces of the 11th Army Group stand by, even though Japanese forces have since pulled out of the region. 15 US Army divisions advance from the south to Japan under General Douglas MacArthur, accompanied by the 1st and 2nd Australian Armies. In the Pacific Ocean Command Area, Chester Nimitz commands five US Army infantry divisions and six Marine divisions on a westward advance, supported by US naval forces. The Chinese troops of the NRA are, as usual, locked in combat with the Japanese, of which there are 35 divisions on the Asian mainland. In Mongolia and Russia, the Red Army is assembling a force of 2 million soldiers, with another 3 million not yet on site. At the beginning of Operation: Unthinkable, these Soviets are likely to jump in and support the Japanese, though they are originally intended for the Soviet assault on Japan planned for August. Either way, US and British forces will need to make their way to the Asian mainland to support the Chinese against the Soviet Union, in addition to finishing off the Japanese Empire.
So, huh, was that post starting? If so, I can make up an opening post for America, as I am starting to get time for other RPs back.
Not quite. We still need a player to be Britain. That way, we can have someone to control all of the remaining factions until more people come to claim them. Until that happens, France, Canada, and Australia are useless. Don't worry, we're close to starting. In the mean time, I am letting all Allied players start planning for their moves. That bit with the map was taking what they have planned so far and put it in one place.CloggedDonkey said:
When we start, I'll let you know with a post of my own. I obviously won't attack or anything, but I will kick off the actual roleplaying.
It's not listed, but its my favortie position in Diplomacy so I figured I'd ask, is Turkey a playable faction?
Hyper-realistically (which appears to be what you're going for), Turkish forces in 1945 were still using World War 1 era equipment which would have made them far less effective in combat. That being said though, Turkey would have controlled the shortest (and therefore most efficient) land route between the North African theater of war and the European theater of war in addition to the Dardanelles (which dictated access to the Black Sea and the trade/military advantages associated therewith.) They were also Europe's top producer, and concequently exporter, of chromite which is a necessary ingredient for hard steels and therefore invaluable to a military effort. They were one of the only countries (besides the USSR themselves) with a real shot at capturing Middle Eastern oil reserves; and therefore would be one of the only countries with the ability to challenge Soviet expansion in that area (keeping Soviet resources more limited). And if they were to recieve more modern weapons and equipment from Western nations they could have been an invaluable asset in flanking Soviet forces.
All together, in terms of the game and Operation Unthinkable, I can see them being similar to the Wehrmacht: Naturally positioned in a place that gives them a lot of influence and import, but hopeless without help.
Hyper-realistically (which appears to be what you're going for), Turkish forces in 1945 were still using World War 1 era equipment which would have made them far less effective in combat. That being said though, Turkey would have controlled the shortest (and therefore most efficient) land route between the North African theater of war and the European theater of war in addition to the Dardanelles (which dictated access to the Black Sea and the trade/military advantages associated therewith.) They were also Europe's top producer, and concequently exporter, of chromite which is a necessary ingredient for hard steels and therefore invaluable to a military effort. They were one of the only countries (besides the USSR themselves) with a real shot at capturing Middle Eastern oil reserves; and therefore would be one of the only countries with the ability to challenge Soviet expansion in that area (keeping Soviet resources more limited). And if they were to recieve more modern weapons and equipment from Western nations they could have been an invaluable asset in flanking Soviet forces.
All together, in terms of the game and Operation Unthinkable, I can see them being similar to the Wehrmacht: Naturally positioned in a place that gives them a lot of influence and import, but hopeless without help.
Dear Allied Generals concerned,
A large factor of the coming battle will undoubtably be air power. While musing over various strategies tonight I had a flash of inspiration (OOC:Thank you Israelis in the 1967 war). I propose that we send an advance force of aircraft to disable Russian airways in Eastern Europe. This would stop them from deploying most of their air power. If the runways are disabled no planes can be launched, or refeul.
Please consider,
Geralfieldmarshall Erich van Manstein
A large factor of the coming battle will undoubtably be air power. While musing over various strategies tonight I had a flash of inspiration (OOC:Thank you Israelis in the 1967 war). I propose that we send an advance force of aircraft to disable Russian airways in Eastern Europe. This would stop them from deploying most of their air power. If the runways are disabled no planes can be launched, or refeul.
Please consider,
Geralfieldmarshall Erich van Manstein
OOC:What do Gaurds, Shock and, Gaurd Tanks mean in terms of operationable capabilites? Also what is the disposition of Romanian and Yugoslavian troops?