I am personally happy the guy is dead. He was a monster and he got was coming to him, but throwing a party is over the top.
Celebrating in the streets after Hiroshima was the celebration of the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Training Afghan civilians to murder anything resembling a communist seems awfully dark and misguided... I guess we're all a little more monstrous than we thought.open trap said:Celebrating in the streets after 9/11 is the celebration of the death of thousands of innocent people. The celebration of the death of Bin Laden is the celebration of the death of an evil man who is responsible for the death of thousands, those who died during the attacks on 9/11 and those who died in the resulting military conflicts. Its circumstances like these that change the entire situation.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Osama Bin Laden was no Manfred von Richthofen (the Red Baron) who was buried with full military honors with wreaths inscribed with "To Our Gallant and Worthy Foe" Personally I wish Obama came out to the press conference with Osama's head on a stick and started doing a comedy routine.Kaiser Jon said:Turning the other cheek is for losers.
If Osama Bin Laden had been an honorable foe, celebrations of his death would be unfounded, but he was not honorable. He profited off of US aid during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and then he betrayed America after we helped him defend against Russia.
In gaming terms, he is a team-killer, and team-killers deserve no dignity or fair treatment.
And what about the tens of thousands of people that were killed by the United States direct actions overseas? Or the hundreds of thousands that were killed by indirect actions of the United States? How about all the U.S. soldiers that died durin the two conflicts in the Middle East? At what point do people stop with the idiotic idea of an eye for an eye?BioHazardMan said:It's not "eye for an eye" it's "eye for thousands of eyes"Firetaffer said:No, I won't 'f*ck off' just because you told me to.
I thought we were more civilized now, and don't follow the rule of 'An eye for an eye' any more. I believe revenge is a thing of the past.
The people celebrating on VJ day where not celebrating the death of thousands of killed civilians they were celebrating the victory over a powerful enemy and the end of a long a brutal war.ShaqLevick said:Celebrating in the streets after Hiroshima was the celebration of the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Training Afghan civilians to murder anything resembling a communist seems awfully dark and misguided... I guess we're all a little more monstrous than we thought.open trap said:Celebrating in the streets after 9/11 is the celebration of the death of thousands of innocent people. The celebration of the death of Bin Laden is the celebration of the death of an evil man who is responsible for the death of thousands, those who died during the attacks on 9/11 and those who died in the resulting military conflicts. Its circumstances like these that change the entire situation.
I don't care if people want to give into their base instincts and act the fool, or just want to fit in. Lets just call it what it is and not try and justify it. People are always worse when looking in from the outside. Ignorance is a disease, face the facts. George W. Bush should have been tried as a war criminal but people just don't care. Someday soon we'll have to face it that on this small planet called Earth maybe everything hits a little close to home.
The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.shintakie10 said:And what about the tens of thousands of people that were killed by the United States direct actions overseas? Or the hundreds of thousands that were killed by indirect actions of the United States? How about all the U.S. soldiers that died durin the two conflicts in the Middle East? At what point do people stop with the idiotic idea of an eye for an eye?BioHazardMan said:It's not "eye for an eye" it's "eye for thousands of eyes"Firetaffer said:No, I won't 'f*ck off' just because you told me to.
I thought we were more civilized now, and don't follow the rule of 'An eye for an eye' any more. I believe revenge is a thing of the past.
On topic, I agree that the celebrations are in fact disgustin. Was the man a sick, deplorable human being that was nothin more than a waste of space? Yes. Did he directly and indirectly cause the deaths of who knows how many innocent people? Yes. None of that means that people should celebrate the death of a human being.
He was a human being by definition.spectrenihlus said:]The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.
The idea that you have the right to casually consider a person to not be human is more of an insult to every single person alive and dead.spectrenihlus said:The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.shintakie10 said:And what about the tens of thousands of people that were killed by the United States direct actions overseas? Or the hundreds of thousands that were killed by indirect actions of the United States? How about all the U.S. soldiers that died durin the two conflicts in the Middle East? At what point do people stop with the idiotic idea of an eye for an eye?BioHazardMan said:It's not "eye for an eye" it's "eye for thousands of eyes"Firetaffer said:No, I won't 'f*ck off' just because you told me to.
I thought we were more civilized now, and don't follow the rule of 'An eye for an eye' any more. I believe revenge is a thing of the past.
On topic, I agree that the celebrations are in fact disgustin. Was the man a sick, deplorable human being that was nothin more than a waste of space? Yes. Did he directly and indirectly cause the deaths of who knows how many innocent people? Yes. None of that means that people should celebrate the death of a human being.
A human doesn't order people to take over a plane and crash them into buildings full of innocents. No that is something only a monster will do and a monster deserves no pity or respect only annihilation.shintakie10 said:The idea that you have the right to casually consider a person to not be human is more of an insult to every single person alive and dead.spectrenihlus said:The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.shintakie10 said:And what about the tens of thousands of people that were killed by the United States direct actions overseas? Or the hundreds of thousands that were killed by indirect actions of the United States? How about all the U.S. soldiers that died durin the two conflicts in the Middle East? At what point do people stop with the idiotic idea of an eye for an eye?BioHazardMan said:It's not "eye for an eye" it's "eye for thousands of eyes"Firetaffer said:No, I won't 'f*ck off' just because you told me to.
I thought we were more civilized now, and don't follow the rule of 'An eye for an eye' any more. I believe revenge is a thing of the past.
On topic, I agree that the celebrations are in fact disgustin. Was the man a sick, deplorable human being that was nothin more than a waste of space? Yes. Did he directly and indirectly cause the deaths of who knows how many innocent people? Yes. None of that means that people should celebrate the death of a human being.
In only the most base sense. Personally I wish we went Vlad the Impaler on his ass and stuck a pole up there and posed that body in front of the white house instead of dumping him at sea. Let that image sink nice and deep for the persona that fills the vacuum left by Osama.Silentwindofdoom said:He was a human being by definition.spectrenihlus said:]The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.
Not totally disagreeing with you here but I do wish to clarify that the US mainly gave Afghan rebels weapons to fight against the invasion. The CIA did do some training of rebels, but not in the connotation you put it in. It was their diligence that stopped the Russians... with our weapons. Then some of them, in turn, became the Taliban. In the end, it wasn't dark and misguided, but merely... opportunistic.ShaqLevick said:Celebrating in the streets after Hiroshima was the celebration of the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Training Afghan civilians to murder anything resembling a communist seems awfully dark and misguided... I guess we're all a little more monstrous than we thought.
I don't care if people want to give into their base instincts and act the fool, or just want to fit in. Lets just call it what it is and not try and justify it. People are always worse when looking in from the outside. Ignorance is a disease, face the facts. George W. Bush should have been tried as a war criminal but people just don't care. Someday soon we'll have to face it that on this small planet called Earth maybe everything hits a little close to home.
..no, that's what makes us animals. Difference.PixelKing said:It's good ol' fashioned shadenfreude.
It's what makes us human.
No one deservers to burn in hell, if such a place is in existence. You're not just there for a lifetime, you are there forever, No one can do anything of such unjust magnitude to be 'sent to hell to burn for eternity.'mdk31 said:I wish hell existed so bin Laden could burn in it.
I agree with this.The idea that you have the right to casually consider a person to not be human is more of an insult to every single person alive and dead.The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.shintakie10 said:And what about the tens of thousands of people that were killed by the United States direct actions overseas? Or the hundreds of thousands that were killed by indirect actions of the United States? How about all the U.S. soldiers that died durin the two conflicts in the Middle East? At what point do people stop with the idiotic idea of an eye for an eye?
On topic, I agree that the celebrations are in fact disgustin. Was the man a sick, deplorable human being that was nothin more than a waste of space? Yes. Did he directly and indirectly cause the deaths of who knows how many innocent people? Yes. None of that means that people should celebrate the death of a human being.
Because we all know Osama only killed one or two people ever. Right?zhoominator said:Hey, whatever makes you feel good about yourself. I'm sure Osama himself had a very similar mindset.Eri said:Celebrating the deaths of thousands of innocents is not the same as celebrating the death of one mass murderer. End of fucking story.
Implying we celebrated in killing everyone except Osama? Uh no.Venereus said:Riiiiiiiiight, 'cause the US only killed that one guy during this whole affair...Eri said:Celebrating the deaths of thousands of innocents is not the same as celebrating the death of one mass murderer. End of fucking story.
..did you pull the trigger? Was it a good fight? Did you test yourself, or learn something about your enemy? Did you learn to respect them in the process?Magenera said:We are not supose to celebrate the death of our enemies? That's news to me.
These people who will be pissed at us celebrating the death of this man are pissed at us already, hell I don't think they can get any madder. These people do not respect our ways and don't care if we respect theirs so frankly they can go die in a fire. What we have is the death of a man that would have wanted every single person in the western world dead and if he had the means would have done so yesterday. The fact that there are people in the western world not only not celebrating but actually violently against such displays astounds me. Seriously how did you people react to the end of Harry Potter?lokiduck said:... In history today we watched a video on the Atomic bomb.
With the deaths of countless innocents in Japan, the USA partied like it was the end of the world because they had defeated the enemy. Everyone celebrates not because of the death of the enemy. They celebrate because they made a victory...
I understand what the Islam leader is saying because he is stating simply that those who celebrate death are disgusting, which is understandable because I personally found the footage of the partying while countless Japanese laid there dying horrible back at the end of 1940.
Though this is different. I mean Osama Bin Laden was the horrible man and the fact that he is dead is good, and it is a victory which is why people are celebrating, but you can understand why some people would be offended because they may not understand that.
Like the Mosque reader said at a Muslim Service I attended said, "The key to world peace is respect for peoples different opinions" and yes we should celebrate, but we should understand and respect that some might think us cruel for enjoying death.