Our Covid Response
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They sure did, and got people to promote it for them. They acted no different than the big boys
Well yeah we know that, but the companies specifically didn't push it so at least that's a modicum of corporate responsibility in a neo-capitalist system.
Where do you think Rogan gets his rants from?
I said the opposite. Those small companies are boosting the anti-vax movement to make bank
Rogan is a variety of the idle rich: people who are not truly invested in how things really work, amateurs with lightweight views on serious and complex matters, and who have the liberty to indulge in whims, fads and kookiness. He is also heavily associated with a network of kooks, by which I mean that seems what MMA is outside its day job of gladiatorial combat.
How is leaving the country going to affect the public health of said country?
Causing people to lose their health insurance during a pandemic is good policy? Until we got to some automated society (like in The Time Machine) you need people to work and produce. Even if everyone made the exact same income where all jobs were seen as equal, the people that had jobs where they can work remotely still need other people to work and produce goods.
It's not just about the current scoreboard, it's the overall scoreboard, the present changes the future obviously. Poor kids getting even less healthy food is going to impact life expectancy. Poor mental health now impacts future life expectancy. Millennials were already expected to have lower life expectancy than the previous generation, I recall this exact article being discussed on the old Escapist boards. You think lockdowns are helping millennials' health? Just because suicides didn't go up doesn't mean they won't go up or crippling mental health isn't increasing. Suicidal thoughts (and maybe attempts, I don't feel like re-finding that article) were up and drug overdose deaths in the US went up by 20,000. Mental health impacts quality of life too, which is important, and it's not just "whining" about not being able to go to say Bali or see a movie, it's not healthy for people not to socialize plain and simple. Even something small like car deaths being up in 2020 because less people on the roads, meaning overall faster speed, is part of the harm caused. And lockdowns would not have saved those 200k dead in India because so many people in India are poor and they literally have to work or they don't eat. A lockdown in India is not really a lockdown because everyone that can't afford is still working and everything. One of the doctors I listen is from India and of course very sadden by that wave, but he explained why the vast majority of India really couldn't lockdown if they wanted to. He also explained, the other wave(s) were probably as deadly but weren't reported much because the rich population wasn't affected much and that last wave everyone kinda thought covid was done and everyone returned to normal life basically, including the rich. Thus, the rich got hit by covid and became far more newsworthy.
At least in the US, the kids that need school the most were denied in-person school for over a year. Rich people still sent their kids to private schools but inner city minority kids didn't have in-person school for over a year. Also, not everyone medical worker shifted to covid. It's not like say the cancer, surgery, radiology departments became covid departments and housed and treated covid patients. A lot of medical workers from those departments just didn't work. My cousin, who just graduated at the start of the pandemic for nursing, is a nurse for the cancer department and he had to wait to actually get hired on because all the cancer stuff shutdown. I work as IT in several hospitals and yes, they did expand certain departments for covid, but saying hospitals got overloaded and say cancer doctors can't treat cancer patients because they're on covid wasn't anything that at all happened. People were getting less screenings and whatnot because of just general fear of covid and stay-at-home orders and the shutdown of "non-essential" services.
Again, I'm willing to be for lockdowns if I see a cost-benefit analysis showing they provided more benefits than harm. I've yet to see one.
What reason is there to stop someone from moving out of your country?
I didn't say lockdowns don't have benefits, keeping people away from people lowers transmission of a virus. What PROOF do you have that lockdown benefits are greater than lockdown harms? Where's just a single cost-benefit analysis saying that?
I doubt many studies are actually primarily concerned about autism and vaccines. We do studies and analysis of things like vaccines/drugs/etc to see if certain things are happening in greater numbers than what happens normally. So to disprove a link to autism, you don't do a study for that but just look at the data to see if autism is happening at a higher rate than what normally happens. It's why we can see that myocarditis is an issue with the MRNA vaccines because its incidence happens more than in a normal population. After you know that, you can then do studies to see why it happens and possibly how to fix that.
Uhh... cancer is kinda important to catch early.
So kids getting worse food and getting diabetes and becoming obese even earlier in life is going to keep life expectancy the same or increase it? Obesity in kids did greatly jump during the pandemic. I've seen nobody produce a cost-benefit analysis saying lockdowns provided more benefits.
Children And Teens Gained Weight At An Alarming Rate During The Pandemic, The CDC Says
A new CDC study found that the percentage of obese children and teens increased to 22%, compared to 19% before the pandemic. It also found that expected annual weight gain ranged from 5 to 15 pounds.
www.npr.org
Oh my fucking god, you're concerned about people getting colds? Does vaccine or natural immunity prevent severe disease, hospitalizations, and death? YES.
Two jabs offer little protection against Omicron infection, UK data shows
Health agency says booster raises protection as new daily infection figure rises to highest since Januarywww.theguardian.com
But phoenixmgs specifically told me this was extremely unlikely!
A variant less deadly than the last one becoming dominant is a bad?
Vaccines don't give the same immunity as natural immunity. The vaccine just introduces your body to the spike protein while you get broader protection when you're body is exposed to the entire virus. Here's a study from Harvard showing not a single medical worker that had previous covid got covid again while those vaccinated did get covid.
Continued Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination among Urban Healthcare Workers during Delta Variant Predominance
Background Data on COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness (VE) among healthcare workers (HCWs) during periods of delta variant predominance are limited. Methods We followed a population of urban Massachusetts HCWs (45% non-White) subject to epidemiologic surveillance. We accounted for covariates such...
www.medrxiv.org
Ah, I see the CDC always referring to the Kentucky study that has serious flaws that they won't publish in a journal or have peer reviewed. Yet every actually published and peer reviewed study on the issue has shown natural immunity is greater than vaccine immunity. And I get told I cherry pick data...Catching. COVID. Does. Not. Give. You. Immunity.
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3 Things to Know About Life After Recovering From COVID-19
So you're finally on the road to recovery. Here's what may come next.www.houstonmethodist.org
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When are infections going to stop being a "bad word"? Isn't good enough that these vaccines stop severe disease and probably a lot of symptomatic disease? If a vaccine has to stop you from merely testing positive to be a good vaccine, then we have no good vaccines. Also, the boosters only boost you for a short time and you're back to normal vaccine immunity after 2-3 months, are you gonna take a booster every 3 months? Does J&J stop severe disease, hospitalization, and death? Almost certainly. And J&J is by far the safest vaccine for young men, so no, it's not garbage.
Sending out free tests is a waste of money. That money can be better spent to improve public health in other areas that would be far more beneficial overall. What's the benefit of someone with immunity knowing they're positive when they have no symptoms or knowing their mild cough is covid vs a head cold?
I posted that before we knew more about omicron. It still doesn’t make it less dangerous. Covid is no joke.Oh my fucking god, you're concerned about people getting colds? Does vaccine or natural immunity prevent severe disease, hospitalizations, and death? YES.
A variant less deadly than the last one becoming dominant is a bad?
Vaccines don't give the same immunity as natural immunity. The vaccine just introduces your body to the spike protein while you get broader protection when you're body is exposed to the entire virus. Here's a study from Harvard showing not a single medical worker that had previous covid got covid again while those vaccinated did get covid again.
Continued Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination among Urban Healthcare Workers during Delta Variant Predominance
Background Data on COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness (VE) among healthcare workers (HCWs) during periods of delta variant predominance are limited. Methods We followed a population of urban Massachusetts HCWs (45% non-White) subject to epidemiologic surveillance. We accounted for covariates such...
Ah, I see the CDC always referring to the Kentucky study was serious flaws that they won't publish in a journal or have peer reviewed. Yet every actually published and peer reviewed study on the issue has shown natural immunity is greater than vaccine immunity. And I get told I cherry pick data...
Vaccines give natural immunity by giving your body the information to fight back. I'll keep repeating this until it sinks in.
You really are truly clueless, adorably so. I'm just happy you're in no position of authority.
And they'll be doing more cancer screening when they're inundated with covid cases or off sick with covid themselves, will they?
Depends on whether they are still obese in 5, 10, 20, 30 years time, really, doesn't it? There's a lot of time to fix being overweight.
So they don't go out and infect other people, obviously.
First reports out of Africa were that is was milder. If you have immunity (vaccine/natural/both), covid isn't much to be concerned over. My chances of getting severely injured/dead from driving to work is higher than covid so I'm not gonna to be more worked up about it than driving to work. That doesn't mean it's a joke, it's just means it is what it is.
It's not the same as natural immunity. How much data do I have to provide to prove it? Israel IIRC has the biggest data set for that, and natural immunity was shown to be far superior. Yes, your immune system gets info to fight covid from vaccines but a natural infection gives you more info to fight back, that's just what it is. And, that doesn't mean or imply not getting vaxxed in favor of infection.
Cancer medical workers were off during lockdowns and not even working...
There's time to fix the obesity rate... yet it keeps increasing every year.
And you know the actual times you're contagious? Because the test doesn't tell you that.
Also, all queued as to why testing isn't going to do much of anything because the volume testing needed to have such an impact isn't really feasible. All that money spent on these tests could be better spent elsewhere to have bigger impacts on public health. If we had unlimited resources and money, take a test everyday if you want.
Okay, so, we have to stop giving as much of a shit as we do about "first reports". First reports are scattered, blunt, and inaccurate. That's why follow up data is required. And if the follow up data conflicts with first reports and causes assumptions made on first reports to be modified or discarded, that's not a bad thing
In your state, maybe. In mine, a lot of them were redeployed.
Then stop complaining about covid, because it's obviously a much bigger problem that needs to be tackled independently.
Test twice a week. With a 3-4 day gap, you should have a pretty good window how recently you were infected; alternatively, you get pinged by a track and trace. How long the infection lasts varies, but in most people will be gone in ten days, hence why they came up with the ten day isolation period.
That guy is full of shit. And if anyone was confused how bullshitty and unbalanced he is, they just need to note his Godwin-infused catastrophe porn tantasy about the government (implicitly the Democrats) cancelling democracy. Although I can see that would have made him a firm favourite with the right-leaning conspiracy theorists out there: he may as well play to his audience.
There's room in this world for professional iconoclasts and they can perform valuable services, but you have to understand that the mindset of a professional iconoclast is to tear at everything, and they are not neutral. Or as many of his critics point out, he often just criticises off a spreadsheet without trying to deeply understand the nature of and getting all the facts right about what he is attacking. You cannot just assume such people are right without engaging with dissenting voices for a balanced picture. But of course, you'd have to want a balanced picture in the first place.
But it won't be. If people wanted to spend money on other health outcomes, they'd have already been doing or done it. You live in a country that has routinely chosen to obstruct and limit healthcare access for a huge percentage of its population for decades; one its two monolithic parties de facto campaigns on that policy and repeatedly gets 40%+ of the vote.