Goddamn, they opened up *just like you fucking wanted* and you're slamming their high numbers now. For Doing Just Like You Want
And, I'm pretty sure they have mask mandates, I thought masks work according to you guys? The problem is the Chinese population has rather low built-in immunity because of their asinine zero covid policy.
Excellent to see someone so supportive of speeding is also aware that RTAs are the number 1 cause of child deaths. I'm not even going to get into the shit of hiding 'I hate lockdown' behind concerns about child abuse, it's exactly the same transparent nonsense we get when people wheel out homeless people on the subject of immigration.
You have to do the cost-benefit analysis of anything you decide to do. You guys are the ones hiding behind the whole "we have to stop every possible covid transmission by any means possible" and ignoring the harms that does so you can hide behind your masking, vaccine, etc. virtue signals. I'm saying do a complete pros and cons list (put literally everything in the open) and figure out what thing is best to do. And by the way every cost-benefit analysis done on lockdowns has returned not only that they are bad but they are really fucking bad, but since that doesn't agree with your guys' narrative, you just sweep in under the rug and ignore it. Canada did theirs and proclaimed it was the worst non-war policy ever implemented Canada.
Gotta agree with this.
Relaxing the restrictions in some way was absolutely necessary. But the Chinese government failed to lay the groundwork of a comprehensive vaccination drive, and it then relaxed everything within an extremely short timeframe. That squanders the benefit that high restrictions may have had, and their numbers speak for themselves.
Gradual easing, matched with high vaccination, contact tracing, and close monitoring of the areas as they reopen, would have meant the healthcare systems could then cope with an incremental increase in caseload. Drastically cutting all restriction with no new vaccination drive does the opposite.
(Of course the surge in China is absolutely not evidence that masks don't work, as Phoenixmgs apparently wished to use it).
Contact tracing isn't going to do anything.
Why are cases surging in China when I'm sure mask mandates would still be in place? I thought with masking alone, you can get the R0 under 1? That's been some fantasy land claim many here have suggested.
You're doing it again. This is all just trying to emotionally blackmail people into agreeing with you about lockdowns. You don't actually give a fuck about suicide ort child abuse. They're just blunt instruments for you to clumsily wield in an effort to browbeat people.
I CARE ABOUT DOING THE THING THAT IS BEST FOR THE POPULATION AS A WHOLE. Do the fucking cost-benefit analysis and if it comes out closing schools is good, then it's good; if it comes out as bad, then it's bad. Simple as that. No one will do that or accept the cost-benefit analyses already done. I wonder why literally the rest of the developed world didn't keep kids out of school for any prolonged amount of time. Are those countries then just stupid or was it the US that was stupid? It's one or the other.
can you really not think of any lurking variables that would push things in the other direction?
I can think of lots of things, that's why just showing the data and saying how great it was that suicides went down is a buncha bullshit.
