Our generation's racism

[ReservoirAngel]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

The hated of Islam bugs me, probably more than hatred of any of other religon. I'm not the most open-minded bloke around, by any stretch. My general "religion is stupid" stance attests to that, but it seems to me that most hatred of Islam stems from a basic lack of understanding about it. Most of the BS that gets spouted whenever someone decries it as an evil religion of hatred is either wrong, misunderstood or taken out of context.

Like the oft-quoted Koran passage about killing the non-believers. People cite that as evidence of Islam being violent, forgetting that in context that passage is referring to the siege of Mecca, where fighting is (or was) forbidden. The thing about "killing non-believers" is actually just more of Allah clarifying "well you can, if they attack you first. But still, best not to" kind of situation.

 

[StBishop]

Acting as though if you are from this generation everyone should be okay with everything. But it isn't like that.

No of course, I realise that in any generation there are people who fit on the entire range from being a member of a group to being opposed to a group with every fibre of their being.

For example I feel very uncomfortable around gays and people who get their dick cut off and take hormones. And if there is one there is a lot more. But everyone on the Escapist are moral elitist bitches so I am probably the only one here with such a viewpoint. PUNISHMENT INC

I actually assumed as such. The assumption that transphobia will be to our generation, what racism is to the current oldies is based entirely on the fact that I think most of our generation will openly transphobic.

I can't say I envy your position of homophobia as a member of this community, it's not exactly the most forgiving of homophobia, pretty progressive in general really.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Is it wrong for gay people to hate christians?

Yes, as there are diverse belief structures within Christianity, and not all of them are opposed to homosexuality. In fact, there are even openly homosexual ministers, and what ever the female variant of that word is....ministressess? Anyway, I for one don't even consider those people that hold up the G-d hates homosexuals signs to even be Christians, but that's just personal opinion. Also, if gay people make sweeping generalizations about the beliefs of all Christians, and hate them because of the stereotypes they have applied to them, are the gay people that do this not simply bigots as well?

 

[Woodsey]

[...] minorities like homosexuals and blacks, [...]

Did you just say "blacks"? Really? Not "black people" or something slightly less inflammatory? On a thread discussing being racist?

Oh shit, sorry, I forgot. "Black people", I mean. Ironically, I'm black myself.

But would any of you have been offended if I said "whites"?

Ignoring the fact that "whites" wasn't ever a derogatory term. Yeah.
Not offended, just shocked that you'd use an out dated term.

EDIT: I realise that I'm overly touchy about racism, I grew up in the country and people there were not only much, much more racist than city folk, but they genuinely believed that there was no such thing as racism any more.

... That would seem to be an Aussie thing. Never seen anyone take issue with 'blacks' before.

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

Yes, but is he saying that we will grow to love Islam in the future? It's worded like that but I don't want to look like I'm putting words in his mouth.

Just means he's not inclined to believe every Muslim wants to blow him up. Which is a pretty big advance over most people these days.[/quote]

OT: I dunno, maybe Buddhists will start getting it in the neck. In all honesty, I hope there's a push against religion. Obviously not in the sense of religious persecution that we've seen in the past (and are seeing to a degree now), but I'd hope that our generation's "racism" is in fact an intellectual fight back.

 

[Ickorus]

so many people now a days are racist against racists... it's sad

Can't tell if sarcasm or understated opinion about fighting hate with hate...

why can't it be both?

It can, but the sarcasm sort of implies that you don't believe in your own opinion. Anyway I agree, treating people like pariahs based on things they think of others regardless of how terrible it is takes us back to square one.

What is the alternative? Should minorities everywhere have to prove that theyre not worthless inferior beings simply because a large population of whites seem to have it ingrained in their close minded little brains that they are superior?

Should they dance and sing and do a little jig and wave banners saying "Please don't hate us Racists! Pleaaaaase?"

No, simply being a normal well meaning human being in your everyday life constantly will slowly prove people's own beliefs wrong.

Tell that to Martin LK and Malcolm X. If it werent for the very serious threat of a full scale insurrection of minorities, the gov't would have done jack squat and we would still be going to separate schools, drinking form separate fountains, and shitting in separate bowls

Martin Luther King & Malcolm X got us past the hardest part, they forced people to listen and forced a change in perception. We have the easy job now of just reinforcing the fact that skin colour is meaningless which is done in the way 'him over there' stated, be yourself and prove the idiotic notion that being a certain skin tone makes you superior is stupid.

I disagree with the entire don't hate on racists bit though, they need to be shunned in order to continue reinforcing that there is no place for racism (Or sexism, or any other isms) in this modern society.

Liquidacid23 has the right of it though, don't be racist against someone because they're racist. (Call them a fucking idiot instead)

You're absolutely right about calling racists out for what they are, they need to be kept in check, they need to repress that shit for the rest of their lives if need be.

I disagree with when you said that malcolm x and mlk had the hard part, imo that was the easy part. The racism was so obvious back then, today racists are less overt and much more subtle in their racism which makes it A LOT harder to fight.

I don't think it really needs to be fought any more, these people know racism isn't acceptable in society anymore and like you said, they aren't obvious in the prejudices anymore which means that as time goes by they're forced to give more and more ground until one day they're forced to treat other races as truly equal, then it's a simple matter of waiting because their children will be raised in a world that is fair and equal and soon enough it will be considered odd that anyone ever thought one race was superior to another.

We're kinda just stuck in the middle, we're not going to see a world without racism and prejudice but we need to help bring it in for future generations to enjoy.

I may just be being overly optimistic though, I did read the post you made to me in the other thread and we come from very different places, where you live racism seems to still be rather open but where I am it's very much frowned upon.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Considering how often the response to this question here is the pretentious sounding "theres no such thing as race and racism because we're all the same race. what are we going tos tart hating aliens?) I dont know.

Id say more than anyhting its going to be the religious. I know atheists like to say they're the most downtroddened and hated because saying you dont believe in god is like saying you find joy in raping women for the shits and giggles of them screaming but in all reality theyre nto and its not. and I can only wait for the hypocrisy when the atheists start treating the religious the horrible ways they're supposedly treated.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

so many people now a days are racist against racists... it's sad

Can't tell if sarcasm or understated opinion about fighting hate with hate...

why can't it be both?

It can, but the sarcasm sort of implies that you don't believe in your own opinion. Anyway I agree, treating people like pariahs based on things they think of others regardless of how terrible it is takes us back to square one.

What is the alternative? Should minorities everywhere have to prove that theyre not worthless inferior beings simply because a large population of whites seem to have it ingrained in their close minded little brains that they are superior?

Should they dance and sing and do a little jig and wave banners saying "Please don't hate us Racists! Pleaaaaase?"

If only it was just white people that were racist like your post implies the problem would be so much smaller, but it's simply not the case.

 

[ryanxm]

I really, really hate racism, but I think some people slap the label on things that just aren't. An example of this is calling someone black. They are. Hold on hold on!, let me explain. A lot like to call them African American, but if you call a Kenyan African American, that's not any better. But, back on track, I think that racism will soon be mostly gone, but that little pockets of it will remain, which is a shame. I just don't understand racism, I really don't. It's not like there's even a good excuse for it.

 

[Kanova]

The assumption that transphobia will be to our generation, what racism is to the current oldies is based entirely on the fact that I think most of our generation will openly transphobic.

Well, to be honest I don't really like other races much either, mostly because all I have ever been exposed to is scum. For example there were 3 little ni- blacks on the bus and all they could talk about were bimbos/sluts and "lucky dat nigga cuz I didn't have muh heels on or else I would ***** kick him in dah dick." Keeping in mind they were about 13 or so. Parents are doing a damn fine job. And don't even get me started on Indians. Scum of the earth that only drink and do drugs and get special benefits that no on else gets because they are too fucking stupid to do anything besides spray paint "Native Pride" on fences and chug liqueur. They are literally in the category as children and disabled people. There is an ad going on through the radio about taking special classes for "people with aboriginal descent, children or people with disabilities." Disgusting people.

I just don't understand racism, I really don't. It's not like there's even a good excuse for it.

I think the main reason, at least it is for me, is that all they see from that particular race is badness. There were three fires in my town in the past little bit. All caused by East Indians because of family shame or something. My dad who is a firefighter went to one years ago and the girl was horribly burned and died of her wounds because her father was pissed that she didn't marry someone he wanted. Also they carry around fucking Scimitars, not even a little bit of a joke. They pack them in their long baggy parachute like pants or whatever the hell they are.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

Fat-people-ism would be my guess.

 

[maturin]

Our generation's racism? What makes you think we've gotten past our old racism?

Polling data suggests that the majority of this website's boneheaded demographics thinks that most racism is now against whites, presumably because MLK was a magic negro who solved bigotry against black people forever. You know, the way the civil rights movement is taught in schools.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Is it wrong for gay people to hate christians?

Yes, as there are diverse belief structures within Christianity, and not all of them are opposed to homosexuality. In fact, there are even openly homosexual ministers, and what ever the female variant of that word is....ministressess? Anyway, I for one don't even consider those people that hold up the G-d hates homosexuals signs to even be Christians, but that's just personal opinion. Also, if gay people make sweeping generalizations about the beliefs of all Christians, and hate them because of the stereotypes they have applied to them, are the gay people that do this not simply bigots as well?

my point was is it wrong to hate people that hate you, I realize not all christians are against gay rights, but Im not sure I'm wrong in saying that the vast majority do

I under stand what your saying, and my answer to you would be, why lower themselves to their level? Hating the people that hate you is only going to cause you pain, and make you a mirror image of the people you hate; they shouldn't waste their lives being angry. It's not worth it.

As for the vast majority of Christians being against gay rights there is no way to know. It would be impossible to poll them all, and what you see on TV are just extremists that are there for ratings, so I wouldn't be able to say one way or another.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

The assumption that transphobia will be to our generation, what racism is to the current oldies is based entirely on the fact that I think most of our generation will openly transphobic.

Well, to be honest I don't really like other races much either, mostly because all I have ever been exposed to is scum. For example there were 3 little ni- blacks on the bus and all they could talk about were bimbos/sluts and "lucky dat nigga cuz I didn't have muh heels on or else I would ***** kick him in dah dick." Keeping in mind they were about 13 or so. Parents are doing a damn fine job. And don't even get me started on Indians. Scum of the earth that only drink and do drugs and get special benefits that no on else gets because they are too fucking stupid to do anything besides spray paint "Native Pride" on fences and chug liqueur. They are literally in the category as children and disabled people. There is an ad going on through the radio about taking special classes for "people with aboriginal descent, children or people with disabilities." Disgusting people.

I just don't understand racism, I really don't. It's not like there's even a good excuse for it.

I think the main reason, at least it is for me, is that all they see from that particular race is badness. There were three fires in my town in the past little bit. All caused by East Indians because of family shame or something. My dad who is a firefighter went to one years ago and the girl was horribly burned and died of her wounds because her father was pissed that she didn't marry someone he wanted. Also they carry around fucking Scimitars, not even a little bit of a joke. They pack them in their long baggy parachute like pants or whatever the hell they are.

What kind of Indians are you talking about?

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Depends on what those beliefs are. I'd say it's reasonable to hate members of the WBC.

The assumption that transphobia will be to our generation, what racism is to the current oldies is based entirely on the fact that I think most of our generation will openly transphobic.

Well, to be honest I don't really like other races much either, mostly because all I have ever been exposed to is scum. For example there were 3 little ni- blacks on the bus and all they could talk about were bimbos/sluts and "lucky dat nigga cuz I didn't have muh heels on or else I would ***** kick him in dah dick." Keeping in mind they were about 13 or so. Parents are doing a damn fine job. And don't even get me started on Indians. Scum of the earth that only drink and do drugs and get special benefits that no on else gets because they are too fucking stupid to do anything besides spray paint "Native Pride" on fences and chug liqueur. They are literally in the category as children and disabled people. There is an ad going on through the radio about taking special classes for "people with aboriginal descent, children or people with disabilities." Disgusting people.

I just don't understand racism, I really don't. It's not like there's even a good excuse for it.

I think the main reason, at least it is for me, is that all they see from that particular race is badness. There were three fires in my town in the past little bit. All caused by East Indians because of family shame or something. My dad who is a firefighter went to one years ago and the girl was horribly burned and died of her wounds because her father was pissed that she didn't marry someone he wanted. Also they carry around fucking Scimitars, not even a little bit of a joke. They pack them in their long baggy parachute like pants or whatever the hell they are.

Correlation =/= causation. Just because they are of a specific race does not mean they are horrible people because of their race.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

so many people now a days are racist against racists... it's sad

Can't tell if sarcasm or understated opinion about fighting hate with hate...

why can't it be both?

It can, but the sarcasm sort of implies that you don't believe in your own opinion. Anyway I agree, treating people like pariahs based on things they think of others regardless of how terrible it is takes us back to square one.

What is the alternative? Should minorities everywhere have to prove that theyre not worthless inferior beings simply because a large population of whites seem to have it ingrained in their close minded little brains that they are superior?

Should they dance and sing and do a little jig and wave banners saying "Please don't hate us Racists! Pleaaaaase?"

If only it was just white people that were racist like your post implies the problem would be so much smaller, but it's simply not the case.

You're absolutely right, thank you for pointing that out. However it is true that whites are famous for their racism. Also it help to point out that White isn't a race, its more symbolic than anything, its supposed to represent the Master race as Hitler so poetically phrased it

Sometimes I feel kind of sad for white people, because your right it is one of the things their famous for.

 

[bobmus]

These are not problems that have been completely eradicated, and there is no societal-wide prejudice of a similar nature to be overcome, so Homophobia and Racism will still be big for our generation - there are always the stupid and the ignorant.

 

[ThePS1Fan]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

I have a "intellectual distaste for organised religion" as you call it. I'm fine with people who follow those religions right up until they try to force their beliefs on me or others. And hating people for what they believe is kinda what people do, this is not exclusive to religion by any means.

 

[DSK-]

With the way things are going economy wise, at least for the UK (I may be generalising and be talking bullshit here, if I am please ignore this post) I think that it would be 'classism'.

It will most likely be 'perpetrated' by people of the working classes. I've noticed recently from various people I have spoken to that they believe there is a growing disaparity between the rich and the poor and there is a lot of...dislike, for lack of a better term, for the rich even though they have to pay the most tax on their income.

 

[orangeban]

Hmm, I'm not sure. Transphobia, that's a possibility as you said. Trans rights are only really starting to get big media attention now (see the Miss Universe competition fiasco in Canada), so our generation is in the positition to back-lash against it.

Though I've got a suspicion our out-dated view will be towards disabled people. While no-one really "hates" disabled people in the way that people hate gay people, there is a lot of casual able-supremacism that I suspect (alright, hope) will be wiped out soon. Y'know, people who moan about disabled people who literally can't get jobs getting healthcare, people who say we should abort people with things like Down's Syndrome, stuff like that.

Edit: And it's worth pointing out that our generation will still be homophobic, sexist, racist, etc. I just think these are the new problems that our younger generations will be criticising us for.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

It becomes more interesting when you realize that the idea of "racism" is belief in other "races" not just "hatred of other races." In truth we are all the human race after all.

Being from a Jewish family and learning about both the Civil Rights Movement and the Holocaust, hardened my stance towards racism, prejudice, and bigotry. However it becomes ironic for myself, because being very anti-social and misanthropic has rendered me to scorn most social relationships and the like (I hate Facebook for example). So whilst I champion for civil rights and humanitarianism, at the very same time I despise most human contact.

And even while identifying myself as a Jew, I am not heavily religious, and spurn organized religion because I believe it is restrictive.

But another thing that I feel is important is the importance of humor. Which is something I believe people need to realize. For that same reason, I like to make fun of racism or make Jewish jokes (even justifying it with intentional erroneous logic like "I'm Jewish so it's ok.")

But moving onto what the OP is asking. I don't know about my generation, but I know that I will be prejudiced against any form of "generalizer"

Or, "It's not racist, she's old"

Pictures for Sad Children had a great thing on that. "If she's not racist, she's boring" [http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=131 ]