That's the single best description of "progressives" I've ever read"MeatMachine said:That's common knowledge. It's never been about improving the world - its only ever been about controlling other people through guilt, self-imposed victim status, and whining to authority figures to destroy the people they don't like on their behalf.Karadalis said:One can never please SJW. They will ALLWAYS find some way to ***** about things.
The point was that some people think it's great but also think the men aren't allowed to like it.Phasmal said:All I can see is people being happy about this, really. The only ones who seem to be complaining are dudes mourning their waifu.
"SJW's are never happy"
(Meanwhile much rejoicing from people normally labelled as SJW's)
I just don't know why you'd post what is essentially "Not everyone is 100% happy with everything".MHR said:The point was that some people think it's great but also think the men aren't allowed to like it.Phasmal said:All I can see is people being happy about this, really. The only ones who seem to be complaining are dudes mourning their waifu.
"SJW's are never happy"
(Meanwhile much rejoicing from people normally labelled as SJW's)
I dunno, man, it's almost like people have different opinions on shit. It's crazy.MHR said:True. Can't please 'em. That's been the main focus that a lot of them can't accept it. And 2 people here just noting that others think it's too safe and that it's motivated by male gaze and homophobia by even some people that are all for it.
that or indifferent, honestly i don't really give two squirts of piss what the the sexual orientation of these characters are, and i think more people don't than do (though my GM mind is saying that they are going to use them as plot fodder/blackmail)Phasmal said:I dunno, man, it's almost like people have different opinions on shit. It's crazy.MHR said:True. Can't please 'em. That's been the main focus that a lot of them can't accept it. And 2 people here just noting that others think it's too safe and that it's motivated by male gaze and homophobia by even some people that are all for it.
You'll never please everyone, it would be ridiculous to suggest that anybody stop trying. Most people are happy about it, so that's pretty cool.
BioShock Infinite tells a story. Overwatch doesn't.MHR said:I dunno, what good is story to a game? Bioshock Infinite would be one of the worst over-hyped shooters in history without it.008Zulu said:A thought has occurred to me; Unless it has some bearing in the game, what's the point of making a character gay?
Not safe as such, but safe as compared to other kinds of representations. You bet people would've looked different to a gay Roadhog, or even a gay Ana. But so damn often it's the cute pixie girl. So safer choice is a better way of putting it.erttheking said:snip
Mass Effect 1 and 2 had lesbian relationship options, and nobody gave a damn. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 had male gay relationship options, and people were up in arms about it. It became an issue the moment they crossed the line between "hot... girls gone wild action" to "gross... two guys naked".erttheking said:*Everyone talking about how lesbians are safe*
Yeah, right. Tell me, how many other AAA games have made the character who acts as the face of the their game openly gay? Because I can't think of a single one. Yeah, real safe move. That's why Samus Aran, Lara Croft, Chell, Alyx Vance, and all the other iconic women of gaming are all gay. Because it's such a safe move. And you're talking about how gay guys aren't depicted as much as gay women? Once again, people can only ever seem to bring this up to rain on someone else's parade. Outside of that situation, no one seems to actually care.
Eh, I would have to argue otherwise. People have been really sore about LGBT relationships in particular. Every time it happens it's "teh agenda."Casual Shinji said:Snip
Not...exactly. They had a non-gendered species that wasn't technically female, that just happened to look female. Therefore Shepard wasn't technically gay...good fucking god that was stupid.hermes said:Mass Effect 1 and 2 had lesbian relationship options, and nobody gave a damn. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 had male gay relationship options, and people were up in arms about it. It became an issue the moment they crossed the line between "hot... girls gone wild action" to "gross... two guys naked".erttheking said:*Everyone talking about how lesbians are safe*
Yeah, right. Tell me, how many other AAA games have made the character who acts as the face of the their game openly gay? Because I can't think of a single one. Yeah, real safe move. That's why Samus Aran, Lara Croft, Chell, Alyx Vance, and all the other iconic women of gaming are all gay. Because it's such a safe move. And you're talking about how gay guys aren't depicted as much as gay women? Once again, people can only ever seem to bring this up to rain on someone else's parade. Outside of that situation, no one seems to actually care.
Yeah, that's basically what I'm trying to get across. Rome wasn't built in a day.Cowabungaa said:Not safe as such, but safe as compared to other kinds of representations. You bet people would've looked different to a gay Roadhog, or even a gay Ana. But so damn often it's the cute pixie girl. So safer choice is a better way of putting it.erttheking said:snip
Ah well, representation is great regardless. I'd have liked it to be a more surprising choice, or have her be bi-sexual or something. Baby steps and such I suppose. But it's cool man.
Thats gonna piss off the furries.LetalisK said:I was too sad about Winston to care who Tracer is shtuping. Poor monkey. :'(
Well first of, Bioware isn't very good at relationships period. And secondly, seeing as Shepard doesn't have any distinguishing characteristics I don't see why they would exactly need to have her/him profess her/his gayness. I mean, should there be an express 'I'm gay' dialoge option? Wouldn't that come across through effectionate dialoge options?erttheking said:You're kind of missing the point. Yes, they put in a mono-gendered race that was appealing to the male eye, but they didn't have the balls to go all out and say that Shepard was gay.
The take away that I get from that is that girl on girl is easy, having someone who is truly homosexual isn't so much.
I personally disagree but that's neither here nor there. And what I mean is that Shepard can only express sexual interest in the technically not female Asari race in terms of lesbian relationships. Simply having Shepard being able to show interest in actually biologically female characters (Like Tali in that gutted ME2 relationship) would've avoided this whole mess.Casual Shinji said:Well first of, Bioware isn't very good at relationships period. And secondly, seeing as Shepard doesn't have any distinguishing characteristics I don't see why they would exactly need to have her/him profess her/his gayness. I mean, should there be an express 'I'm gay' dialoge option? Wouldn't that come across through effectionate dialoge options?erttheking said:You're kind of missing the point. Yes, they put in a mono-gendered race that was appealing to the male eye, but they didn't have the balls to go all out and say that Shepard was gay.
The take away that I get from that is that girl on girl is easy, having someone who is truly homosexual isn't so much.
One of the things I loved about Bill's character in The Last of Us was the fact that him having a relationship with a man took a backseat to what kind of relationship he had with that man. His orientation wasn't given any more of a spotlight than that of a straight character.