manaman said:
Record companies whined about internet sales until that became apparent that was the route most consumers wished to take to purchase their music, they whine about people making copies of CD's (even for personal use), and they have tried to make it illegal for you to purchase a CD and rip that CD to your computer, then copy the files onto a personal media player. How is that fair to the consumer that they can dictate when you listen to the copy of the music you purchased, but also what format you use to play back that copy? It's not like playing that copy of a CD and your MP3 player at the same time gives you any tangible benefit anyway. Mostly they whine about piracy through, and don't confuse piracy with used game sales, the two are not even remotely related in the slightest. Now that they successfully labeled pirates as the scum of humanity (not that I don't think it is wrong, I just don't think they completely deserve the bad rap) there new gig is to attempt to convince people that buying used is some how stealing from the developers as well.
Isn't that agreeing with what I said about record companies never stopping whining?
Yes because of how music is, piracy is a huge thing so that's what they complain about the most. But if magically all the pirates disappeared you think they'd just leave it? They'd whine about used CD sales too. You've seen how money grabbing they are trying to make ripping CDs illegal.
As for optional, it's not all that option when they leave the game a hollow shell of itself, to be filled in later like EA does. No way EA is ever going to get my money anywhere near launch day for one of their games. I will rather wait until the full game has been released which seems to be several months from the release of the game at least. Don't tell me that when the voice acting for the "DLC" and everything else is included on the disc for "DLC" they are going to released more then 6 months after the game is released that it and everything before it where not stripped from the game to provide DLC for this $10 program of theirs. Yes mass effect 2, I mean you, if that is the future of EA, they are not getting any more of my money.
The DLC they create is all made after the game reached it's final state.
Bioware wanted to include Zaeed but they didn't have time, so they included him with Project Ten Dollar. Same with the Stone Guardian from Dragon Age.
The only other point I will make here is in the sports titles where it removes online play, that is completely out of order and utterly disgraceful.
When it's only DLC all of that DLC is optional, I've played it, it added to the game, but it didn't add that much, I could've lived without it.
You are way, way to optimistic about how many people trade in every game they buy, or resell them. I for one have never sold a game I have purchased. Say only one out of five people decides to keep a game they have bought, That still means one has to buy it new, and four play and resell it before finally a fifth picks it up and keeps it. Yes I agree that retailers in the used game buisness are a rip off, nowhere else other then games will you see a %10 only difference no matter the condition. Used books go for as much as 1/3rd the price of new depending on the condition, used DVDs can go for as little as a few dollars each, Used CDs are typically half the price or less. All of these in a retail environment as well. They also tend to benefit from not being massive chains. You almost never see a secondhand chain of stores aside form pawn shops which are as much of a rip off.
Ever heard of CEX? If not go check it up now... my 'optimistic' view may not be quite so far fetched if you factor them in.
Currently I'm being careful with the games I buy, I haven't traded a game in for around 6 months now.
I got confused around the bit with pre-owned stuff... I'm not sure why we are talking about how much they cost.
Again... CEX...
Not that it even matters. Once you have purchased a copy of a game, book, movie, scroll, newspaper, or even someone's random thoughts scribbled on a gum wrapper you should be able to sale, or loan that copy as you please provided you are not making additional copies and distributing those copies. It's only fair for the consumer. After all that is how it has been historically, until companies decided they deserved money every time anyone ever has a gander at something they own the rights to.
Yeah I agree. Once you have purchased a game you are allowed to do whatever you want with that disc. It's yours to do what you want with. You can make copies for personal use only, you can lend it to anyone you like, you can give it away as a present that's all fine.
I'm not saying used games are the devilspawn that ails the game industry. I just think Project Ten Dollar is a nice way for companies such as EA and Ubisoft to make some additonal money to put towards high quality content.
Who can say that Battlefield Bad Company 2 doesn't deserve money for that? Or that Mass Effect shouldn't be payed for?
Used game sales are always going to be there,
I buy used games if I see something I want.
I'm just saying that Project Ten Dollar isn't a bad idea and it's doing quite well.
