Pachter: Publishers Jumping Ship Is Hurting the Wii

[Treblaine]

Problem is Pachter is a joke.

This is the guy that in 2007 boldly predicted that PS3 would win this console generation because Blu-ray beat HD-DVD... Jesus Christ. The guy is worse than even a completely random guesser, he so consistently makes the wrong predictions but sweet-talks his way out of his mistakes. WOrst of all, even if is his data is accurate he makes sweeping generalisations for WHY they are happening.

Better theory:
http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

I think third party is failing on the wii because Publishers are idiots who think developing for Wii is a quick buck; low investment & guaranteed returns. Basically, exploit Nintendo's admittedly naive user base. But naive doesn't mean no-taste.

Nintendo have said as much: that publishers STILL have to put their top talent developers to make even "casual" games, sure you save money on coding graphics but you STILL need people who know how to make a fun and engaging game. You need to extensively play-test it and go through rigorous development to ensure it is actually FUN for the target audience(s).

Nintendo games aren't great on wii just because Nintendo is great... they just understand what they are trying to do with the system. Sure the games are not as deep and complex as "hardcore" but accessibility should not come at a cost of enjoyability.

Also, third party developers must realise that if they want the games to even be noticed by a significant proportion of the 75 million Wii users (who do not regularly read up on gaming news) then they MUST spend the cash on marketing, advertising and getting their game to stand out to advertise their features.

 

[Sartan0]

I have about 12 games for the Wii, for me that is a small amount compared with previous console generations.

 

[Treblaine]

It's funny because they said "first-rate lineup of games" and the big thing people don't like about the Wii is the games. Ah well, keep dreaming Nintendo.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Super Mario Galaxy
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
Mario Kart Wii
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Wario: The Shake Dimension (against expectations: quite good)
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
House of the Dead: Overkill
Dead Space: Extraction
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Metroid: Other M
Epic Mickey
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Zelda: Skyward Sword
Kirby's Epic yarn

We talking about the same Wii here? Because that is a SOLID line-up

In my book that beats Xbox 360's Exclusive line-up (though I'm only interested in; Halo 3/ODST/Reach, Crackdown 1+2, Fable 2, Gears 2+3, Bayonetta = 9 games, discounting PC releases)

It's clearly not the NUMBER of Wii games, it's the visual quality. None are in HD, most barely have better graphics than Gamecube. That I imagine can be hard for some but it makes little difference to me. Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics are so poor compared to PC gaming so all console gaming for me is not about "eye candy" at all, just needs good enough graphics to do the job... to enjoy the gameplay and artistic depiction.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

It's funny because they said "first-rate lineup of games" and the big thing people don't like about the Wii is the games. Ah well, keep dreaming Nintendo.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Super Mario Galaxy
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
Mario Kart Wii
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Wario: The Shake Dimension (against expectations: quite good)
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
House of the Dead: Overkill
Dead Space: Extraction
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Metroid: Other M
Epic Mickey
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Zelda: Skyward Sword
Kirby's Epic yarn

We talking about the same Wii here? Because that is a SOLID line-up

In my book that beats Xbox 360's Exclusive line-up (though I'm only interested in; Halo 3/ODST/Reach, Crackdown 1+2, Fable 2, Gears 2+3, Bayonetta = 9 games, discounting PC releases)

It's clearly not the NUMBER of Wii games, it's the visual quality. None are in HD, most barely have better graphics than Gamecube. That I imagine can be hard for some but it makes little difference to me. Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics are so poor compared to PC gaming so all console gaming for me is not about "eye candy" at all, just needs good enough graphics to do the job... to enjoy the gameplay and artistic depiction.

Either reboots or rail shooters, I'll stick with my PC thanks.

 

[zehydra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

thought this might be relevant.

 

[Treblaine]

In our view, this indicates that Nintendo's customers...need less software than the typical Sony or Microsoft customer."

It's pretty much completely this. Most Wii owners rarely feel the need to buy any more games after they already have "that tennis game".

Actually, many Wii owners don't need to buy games. Period.

I bet that a large number of them just play Wii Sports.

Not to mention those who got the Black Wii, which comes bundled with Wii Sports RESORT.

OT: I don't see what this has to do with the DS, though. The DS has a large number of good games, in fact, the library is beginning to rival the PS2 in terms of overall quality.

So DS has a good software line-up but sales drop. You know what I think has happened?

Nothing special about Nintendo, there was this little thing you may have heard about it, apparently Pachter didn't, but the GLOBAL RECESSION! It hit gaming pretty hard, Pachter is an idiot to say games quality is the only factor, what about less people willing to spend as there is less money in people's pockets?

He has a habit of playing fast and loose with the figures, usually to back up his prejudices rather than to prove a theory irrefutably.

Good measure of software sales is shelf space in stores... Wii takes up at least 40% of the shelf Space in Game (but not Gamestation) retail stores.

 

[Podunk]

Yeah, they should release some quality games for once! There are frequently new titles to want for the 360, and every now and then I even find a PS2/Gamecube gem I missed before. But what is there to look forward to on the Wii? Hmm... nothing, I guess, since Epic Micky is getting all of the interesting taken out of it before it's release... No, wait! Kirby! That new Kirby is cool. So that's one neat game in the upcoming year to look forward to... Yeah.

 

[UberNoodle]

People decry the so called 'shovelware' on the Wii but at that same time, are those same people unaware of how much the libraries of the Ps2, Ps1, SNES, NES, etc were also bloated by shovelware?

When it comes down to it, the Wii has about the same amount of stellar games that all the post SNES Nintendo consoles have had, actually it has arguably MORE. But it also has a lot more games in general which are sadly not up the Nintendo standard, or not meeting any real standards at all.

Instead of looking at all the shovelware, how about looking at all the exellent games instead. There are at least 20, which is a great count by any standards. I struggled to find 20 'must buy' games for my 360.

 

[UberNoodle]

It's funny because they said "first-rate lineup of games" and the big thing people don't like about the Wii is the games. Ah well, keep dreaming Nintendo.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Reboot? No. Shooter? No. It's an adventure game
Super Mario Galaxy Reboot? No. It's one of the best platformers ever made
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles Yes, it's a rail shooter
Mario Kart Wii Reboot? No. It's a sequel. Are they not allowed on Wii?
Super Smash Bros. Brawl See Mario Kart
Wario: The Shake Dimension No idea but not a reboot or shooter
New Super Mario Bros. Wii Reboot? Hmm. It's 4 player & turns the formula on its head
Muramasa: The Demon Blade An amazing beat em up with amazing art.
House of the Dead: Overkill Yes, it's a rail shooter. Are these bad or something?
Dead Space: Extraction This rail shooter was a lot of fun. I guess I shouldn't have
Super Mario Galaxy 2 Reboot? No. Sequel and vastly improved over the original
Metroid: Other M Reboot? Shooter? Not really, not in the dimissive way you meant it
Epic Mickey A very refreshing concept which is not a shooter or reboot
Donkey Kong Country Returns Reboot? Possibly. How about SEQUEL?
Zelda: Skyward Sword Not a reboot. A sequel to a series that rarely disappoints
Kirby's Epic yarn One of most original looking games at E3 with gamplay to match

We talking about the same Wii here? Because that is a SOLID line-up

In my book that beats Xbox 360's Exclusive line-up (though I'm only interested in; Halo 3/ODST/Reach, Crackdown 1+2, Fable 2, Gears 2+3, Bayonetta = 9 games, discounting PC releases)

It's clearly not the NUMBER of Wii games, it's the visual quality. None are in HD, most barely have better graphics than Gamecube. That I imagine can be hard for some but it makes little difference to me. Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics are so poor compared to PC gaming so all console gaming for me is not about "eye candy" at all, just needs good enough graphics to do the job... to enjoy the gameplay and artistic depiction.

Either reboots or rail shooters, I'll stick with my PC thanks.

See above in the quote.

And on top of that, there are the following great games for the system:

Super Paper Mario (RPG)
Zelda TP (Adventure)
No More Heroes 2 (Action)
Mad World (Action)
Red Steel 2 (FP Slasher)
The Conduit (FPS, for its great controls)
Project Zero (Surv. Horror)

You can stick to whatever system you want, but you can do so without nonchalantly dismissing the gems that the Wii library has. None of those games is any way 'slumming it' because all they lack is a visual upgrade.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

You can stick to whatever system you want, but you can do so without nonchalantly dismissing the gems that the Wii library has.

See, there's a problem with this statement. Want to know what it is? I can.

 

[UberNoodle]

You can stick to whatever system you want, but you can do so without nonchalantly dismissing the gems that the Wii library has.

See, there's a problem with this statement. Want to know what it is? I can.

Fine, be an a$$hole about it. I guess it would hurt too much to discuss the Wii with more objectivity.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

You can stick to whatever system you want, but you can do so without nonchalantly dismissing the gems that the Wii library has.

See, there's a problem with this statement. Want to know what it is? I can.

Fine, be an a$$hole about it. I guess it would hurt too much to discuss the Wii with more objectivity.

Thankyou, good sir. That was some damn fine entertainment.

 

[UberNoodle]

You can stick to whatever system you want, but you can do so without nonchalantly dismissing the gems that the Wii library has.

See, there's a problem with this statement. Want to know what it is? I can.

Fine, be an a$$hole about it. I guess it would hurt too much to discuss the Wii with more objectivity.

Thankyou, good sir. That was some damn fine entertainment.

Well, you are clearly evidence that even The Escapist isn't an 'escape' from arrogant basement dwellers. Thank YOU for the confirmation.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

You can stick to whatever system you want, but you can do so without nonchalantly dismissing the gems that the Wii library has.

See, there's a problem with this statement. Want to know what it is? I can.

Fine, be an a$$hole about it. I guess it would hurt too much to discuss the Wii with more objectivity.

Thankyou, good sir. That was some damn fine entertainment.

Well, you are clearly evidence that even The Escapist isn't an 'escape' from arrogant basement dwellers. Thank YOU for the confirmation.

I don't have a basement. Plus, this was all in good fun, no need to get pissed of at the internet, my friend.

 

[UberNoodle]

You can stick to whatever system you want, but you can do so without nonchalantly dismissing the gems that the Wii library has.

See, there's a problem with this statement. Want to know what it is? I can.

Fine, be an a$$hole about it. I guess it would hurt too much to discuss the Wii with more objectivity.

Thankyou, good sir. That was some damn fine entertainment.

Well, you are clearly evidence that even The Escapist isn't an 'escape' from arrogant basement dwellers. Thank YOU for the confirmation.

I don't have a basement. Plus, this was all in good fun, no need to get pissed of at the internet, my friend.

Not pissed, at all, my friend.

 

[SmugFrog]

Reminds me of the N64 days, and I regretted buying a N64 and not the Playstation.

 

[Timbydude]

In our view, this indicates that Nintendo's customers...need less software than the typical Sony or Microsoft customer."

It's pretty much completely this. Most Wii owners rarely feel the need to buy any more games after they already have "that tennis game".

Actually, many Wii owners don't need to buy games. Period.

I bet that a large number of them just play Wii Sports.

Not to mention those who got the Black Wii, which comes bundled with Wii Sports RESORT.

OT: I don't see what this has to do with the DS, though. The DS has a large number of good games, in fact, the library is beginning to rival the PS2 in terms of overall quality.

Wii Sports is "that tennis game" I was referring to. Though, in my experience, a lot of people don't even understand that there's more than tennis and bowling on the disc.

 

[Bloodeye]

Stop. Quoting. Pachter. The mans an idiot.

 

[Wintermoot]

its not realy hurting it 90% of the audience buys the shovel ware so I dont see a problem the original fan base can always expect good games from Nintendo itself