Pacific Rim Beaten by Adam Sandler at Box Office

[DerangedHobo]

most original and creative idea movies had in a decade

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA-Oh wait you're serious....
Most creative and original? 'Not being a remake' does not mean original, Pacific Rim is the most cliche, simple, unoriginal film that i have ever seen, not saying it's *Bad* but how is this original?

 

[darksakul]

most original and creative idea movies had in a decade

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA-Oh wait you're serious....
Most creative and original? 'Not being a remake' does not mean original, Pacific Rim is the most cliche, simple, unoriginal film that i have ever seen, not saying it's *Bad* but how is this original?

Only simply the merits that it isn't based on a existing IP.
It is not based from another movie, or a comic book, or a TV Show , or a novel or anything like that.

Look was being passed as blockbuster hits lately, Lord of the Rings (the Hobbit), Batman and the Avengers. All are great stories but they are all pre existing IP. Hollywood is in a rut where every movie that does well is based from some book or comic, and its a ugly cycle that leads to terrible movies like Transformers, the Smurfs, the Chipmunks.

Was there ever a Pacific Rim Movie, book, comic or Novel beforehand NO.

Yes there tons of similarities Pacific Rim has compared to other movies in the Kaiju genre.
There also noted similarities to Neon Genesis Evangelion, if Neve fired Gendo and Hired General Flag from GI Joe, replace the Eva units with Gigantor sized Big O Mecha, The Monsters are classic Godzilla archetypes mix with a touch of Call of Cthulhu , And Rei Ayanami being the co-pilot to Duke.

 

[DerangedHobo]

most original and creative idea movies had in a decade

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA-Oh wait you're serious....
Most creative and original? 'Not being a remake' does not mean original, Pacific Rim is the most cliche, simple, unoriginal film that i have ever seen, not saying it's *Bad* but how is this original?

Only simply the merits that it isn't based on a existing IP.
It is not based from another movie, or a comic book, or a TV Show , or a novel or anything like that.

Look was being passed as blockbuster hits lately, Lord of the Rings (the Hobbit), Batman and the Avengers. All are great stories but they are all pre existing IP. Hollywood is in a rut where every movie that does well is based from some book or comic, and its a ugly cycle that leads to terrible movies like Transformers, the Smurfs, the Chipmunks.

Was there ever a Pacific Rim Movie, book, comic or Novel beforehand NO.

Yes there tons of similarities Pacific Rim has compared to other movies in the Kaiju genre.
There also noted similarities to Neon Genesis Evangelion, if Neve fired Gendo and Hired General Flag from GI Joe, replace the Eva units with Gigantor sized Big O Mecha, The Monsters are classic Godzilla archetypes mix with a touch of Call of Cthulhu , And Rei Ayanami being the co-pilot to Duke.

So just because it is a new IP means it's.... good? Even if it's made up of a 1000 different ideas which have been done over and over and over again, which you listed? That doesn't make it good or complex, the movie is on the same simple level as Grown Ups 2, the appeal is stupid and it really doesn't bring anything new to the table so why is one heralded as 'AMAZING' and the other is spat at and disgraced?

And at the same time, remakes/reboots of existing IPs can be a good thing, I mean look at the revenge trilogy or Fight Club or Kick Ass or any other movie that was originally a book or some other media which was improved with a film remake. There is nothing new under the sun and you'd be hard pressed to find anything truly original, everything is rehashed or repackaged with a new name and that is exactly what Pacific Rim is, just a rehash of 'big shit punching more big shit'.

 

[Callate]

Why would you read a book? We have the internet, we have video games, we have movies, we have much much more effective ways of conveying an idea and emotion. The smugness and sense of superiority over 'the mainstream' is palpable.

Because many ideas worth exploring cannot be fully explored in any of those media. Communicating emotion may be admirable, but it isn't everything. Losing a greater ability to understand and appreciate those ideas because of "TLDR" isn't something that should be tolerated or defended; those ideas are far too important to an underlying ability to make informed decisions.

That "smugness and sense of superiority" was not absent-minded or reflexive. Calling it out is only a criticism if it isn't justified. People should read books. People who don't read books are less capable than those who do.

 

[MB202]

I'm just hoping, praying that it'll do better in the long-run while Grown-Ups 2 dies in it's first week.

 

[DerangedHobo]

People who don't read books are less capable than those who do

They really aren't, all of that information, all of that intrigue, that message can shown in another medium or at the very least condensed and shown in footnotes, I mean 1984 may have social commentary out of the ass but I don't have to read that to get the message, all I'm losing by reading a summary is the tension and buildup.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Jay and Mike put it best.

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I love Adam Sandler.


I love Adam Sandler.


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[Stublore]

Being beaten by GU may be bad, but honestly PR looks absolutely shit and the rim I think of when I saw it was not the Pacific!

 

[Taurus Vis]

I live in Canada and it's been out for a week but I have to wait another week to see it because WWZ is staying in another week and the new film is some POS Sandra Bullock Vehicle. FML.

 

[hermes]

Honestly, I am not surprised. Adam Sandler has made "Jack & Jill", "Anger Management", "Eight Crazy Nights" and "Don't Mess with the Zohan"... he is not only one of the most unfunny comedic actors alive; he is so toxic, he has spoiled the careers of superb actors like Jack Nicholson, Kathy Bates and Al Pacino; his name and his face is synonym of lowbrow, frat humor to the point even his dramatic work can't be taken seriously. However, his movies make money. Grown Ups 1, a movie many people consider one of the worst movies of that, or any, year made 3 times its budget (and you can bet most of it went to pay for the handful of overpaid actors in that thing).

I am tired of trying to make sense of some of the things that happen in the box office. My only consolation is that Pacific Rim will, most likely, become a Blu-Ray and online phenomenon and that, overseas, the movie is doing great, while this other turd will pass without making as much as a blip... If they are smart, executives will take notice of these facts.

 

[Callate]

People who don't read books are less capable than those who do

They really aren't, all of that information, all of that intrigue, that message can shown in another medium or at the very least condensed and shown in footnotes, I mean 1984 may have social commentary out of the ass but I don't have to read that to get the message, all I'm losing by reading a summary is the tension and buildup.

Some historians believe that the bombing of Nagasaki during World War II arose from Eisenhower interpreting a term intended to mean "choose not to respond" as "deliberately ignore".

You can lose a lot without nuance, and the condensation of a larger work will inevitably be slanted- possibly even misinterpreted- by whoever you choose to allow to create the summation. Even if only in what they chose to identify as worth passing on and what they chose to remove as filler.

 

[Mark D. Stroyer]

So, I just would like to throw a slightly different perspective into the ring.

I have a younger sister, and she's tangentially related to geekery through my efforts in saying "this is awesome!" and sharing something awesome. (Scott Pilgrim movie into graphics was a high point.) She'll usually end up seeing most of the action movies either with me or her boyfriend, and while I tend to be disappointed at them for their lack of quality writing or, you know, a script, usually she's a level further down on the Unimpressed scale.

So, in drumming up interest in Pacific Rim, she...really wasn't interested. It comes down to perception. To her, a general action movie involves people of various levels of supernatural skill interacting with other people, frequently utilizing fists. There's still a personal aspect. When she sees the trailer to Pacific Rim, she just sees slabs of machinery going after giant lizard faces, and that lacks the human element she's looking for. Arbitrary or not, it's still seen that way.

 

[ShipofFools]

Grown Ups 2 is a dumb film for dumb people who care more about stuffing their fat fucking faces with processed bullshit then whatever is happening on the big screen behind their family sized tub of popcorn.

That was my impression, anyway.

 

[Easton Dark]

"Eight Crazy Nights"

Hey hey hey, I may not like those other movies, but Eight Crazy Nights is amazing. I think it's the only movie I have a DVD of.

OT:

I don't know how good Grown Ups 2 was, but Pacific Rim was...


So good job Sandler.

 

[darksakul]

Snip.

As I said there some good stuff there with movies based off of books and such. We can go back and forth for an hour naming off noteworthy titles.

My Point is if Hollywood does not learn to embrace new ideas they are going to go into a slump.

You need new IP to keep the industry from going stagnant.

I bet you are the special kind of jerk that went to see Grown Up 2 any ways. The same douche-bro that bought into everything Microsoft had said over the Xbox One. You are what is wrong with America.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

damn...so much butthurt in here, a cheesy niche movie was beat out by a social comedy movie involving an overall big hit cast, regardless of quality it's hard to deny that.

I've had friends see both movies, surprisingly the "nerdier" friends couldn't have given a shit for pacific rim while some of my less nerdier friends enjoyed GU2

 

[scorptatious]

"Eight Crazy Nights"

Hey hey hey, I may not like those other movies, but Eight Crazy Nights is amazing. I think it's the only movie I have a DVD of.

OT:

I don't know how good Grown Ups 2 was, but Pacific Rim was...


So good job Sandler.

Glad to see someone else who enjoyed Eight Crazy Nights.

And yes, Pacific Rim was amazing.

 

[DugMachine]

I'm not shocked. Pacific Rim is pretty much aimed at nerd culture. As much as we want to believe that nerd culture is the norm now, it's really not. Adam Sandler movies will always beat niche films like Pacific Rim because it targets a wider audience and people like safety in what they're going to watch. A 2 hour mediocre comedy film with a well known comedy actor (even if he's not very good anymore).

Besides that, while I enjoyed Pacific Rim, it definitely had it's flaws. I'd watch it again and hopefully in IMAX to get the full effect but I know plenty of people who don't want to watch the movie because they know it doesn't interest them. Not many people get excited over robots punching monsters in the face.

 

[FilmDude89]

I've already done my civic duty and plopped down the money for a ticket to see Pacific Rim. I thought it was a very entertaining movie.. It depresses me greatly to hear that people would much rather watch gross-out "comedy" than see giant monsters get beat up by giant robots.

 

[hazabaza1]

Considering Pacific Rim looks like a completely standard "big thing smash big thing" affair I'm not sure why people are getting uppity about it.